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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 10:55:04 GMT
I’ve been watching football and Stoke long enough to know this i’d just never really given it a thought. Either that or my concept of time is frighteningly bad. It's old age mate I still feel like an 18 year old........Ooops I’m only 25 mate, been watching Stoke for 15 years. Season ticket holder for 13. Young Alzheimer’s maybe.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 10:42:41 GMT
I’d posted this before you’d pointed it out, mate. I don’t know where I picked a decade up from, just read or heard it somewhere else and took it at face value. I think what you might have seen is someone posted the fact that it's been a decade since he was successful at a league club (Villa). Which is debatable anyone because keeping the basketcase Sunderland up in his first season was pretty impressive. I’ve been watching football and Stoke long enough to know this i’d just never really given it a thought. Either that or my concept of time is frighteningly bad.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 10:35:59 GMT
I remember many on here wishing he'd get a run as a pure forward. What is it, 4 in 4 now for West Ham? Frustrating being a Stoke fan isn't it? I thought more than that 6 in 6 maybe ? 6 in 7 it is.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 10:32:52 GMT
My only argument in favour of those in comparison to O’Neill is that at least they’ve been in club football in the last decade. mate it's only a minor point but you've mentioned it twice now. O'Neill left the Sunderland job in March 2013. I’d posted this before you’d pointed it out, mate. I don’t know where I picked a decade up from, just read or heard it somewhere else and took it at face value.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 10:31:58 GMT
The Flores chase reminds me of Cedric/Lemina situations. The player is happy to arrive, we've skimped on wages and Southampton will be here shortly. Add Remy to that list.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 10:17:55 GMT
We need a manager that keeps us up and therefore keeps giving us the luxory of other options in the future. Tony Pulis was a magnificent Manager for this club when we needed it most ( conveniently forgotten as per normal) and if we can get someone to produce the same results as he did we should be dancing in the streets considering the mess that currently exists. This is all about securing the short / medium term future of the club and we really shouldn’t be fretting about the ‘style’ we win games with as long as we win the games. (Ironically there is little to say that Flores actually plays a vastly expansive game either but that’s another point largely lost amid the general angst) My entire point was that I had not conveniently forgotten the Tony Pulis years. I was there, I went to the games, I understood what we were doing and why it was effective. I also saw other teams come up and survive and I very much remember thinking why can we not not play like that. There is a significant body of supporters who automatically assume that the only way to survive is to play like a Tony Pulis/Martin O’Neill side. I challenge that assumption. For example, look how West Ham have recovered under Moyes. Of course they are more defensive, but they are not a Neanderthal team like we were under Pulis. This annoys me, insanely.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 10:10:28 GMT
Martin 0-nil.
He’s even got 0-0 in his name.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 10:09:28 GMT
Hi Wags, Whilst I do agree with you to a certain extent, that is the path that football has taken. Whether that is a good thing or not is irrelevant. What do you suggest that we do because I have suggested some ‘up and coming’ English managers from the Championship and many on here think they’re laughable options.. Martin O’Neill has been out of club football for 10 years and plays very uninspiring football. I don’t want him here on any longer than a 6 month deal. It will set us back 8 years, back to when Pulis was in charge. Yours, Block 22 5 years he's been out of club football. My apologies. Half a decade then.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 10:04:31 GMT
Hi Wags, Whilst I do agree with you to a certain extent, that is the path that football has taken. Whether that is a good thing or not is irrelevant. What do you suggest that we do because I have suggested some ‘up and coming’ English managers from the Championship and many on here think they’re laughable options.. Martin O’Neill has been out of club football for 10 years and plays very uninspiring football. I don’t want him here on any longer than a 6 month deal. It will set us back 8 years, back to when Pulis was in charge. Yours, Block 22 Yet some of those against wanted big Sam and Moyes. I remember when we used to come up against an O'Neill side, it was far from uninspiring. My only argument in favour of those in comparison to O’Neill is that at least they’ve been in club football in the last decade.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 10:00:20 GMT
So his most recent managerial club stint has no relevance whatsoever? Also, some people so follow football outside England and so know a bit about some of these names - and even if not, I’m not sure reading up on them to learn about them is something you’re so desperate to mock? When someone plucks gfghhjuyyg ffdsdfvgh from fc bjjkhvkio then yes, it's rediculous. He might end up decent, but to think we'd pluck someone from another country who maybe 3 people have heard of on here it just bloody stupid. Also how are the block 19ers on here so desperate for someone like him, going sing his name? FYI, he’s Shakhtar Donetsk manager. A team who play in the Champions League, who recently beat Manchester City and halted their unbeaten run. I’m 100% sure that more than 3 posters know who he is, anyone who follows European football will know who he is.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 9:56:01 GMT
With all due respect, football does exist outside of the Premier League and I firmly believe that appointing someone like Fonseca who has managed at TOP LEVEL clubs in RECENT years will make for a far better appointment than MON. With apologies for the following expletive That is the attitude that has helped fuck football Of course football exists out side the premier league Whist most on here were moaning there ballsacks off over a slight setback in the managerial search Some of us were out watching our local non league sides Give it a try sometime and you may just realise football is alive and well outside of the media obsessed premiership bullshit Hi Wags, Whilst I do agree with you to a certain extent, that is the path that football has taken. Whether that is a good thing or not is irrelevant. What do you suggest that we do because I have suggested some ‘up and coming’ English managers from the Championship and many on here think they’re laughable options.. Martin O’Neill has been out of club football for 10 years and plays very uninspiring football. I don’t want him here on any longer than a 6 month deal. It will set us back 8 years, back to when Pulis was in charge. Yours, Block 22
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 9:44:20 GMT
Bare in mind he’s 20 years old. He needs a good manager who can develop him and coach him properly. I wouldn’t be surprised if under Mark Hughes he was instructed to be conservative and keep the ball rather than go past players. Either that or his confidence has been absolutely shot.
I know he played against poor opposition at Coventry, but he was frighteningly good. Showed great skill and pace to beat players time after time.
If you remember Eden Hazard when he first burst onto the scene for Chelsea at 21, or Raheem Sterling 3/4 years ago. Both showed similar signs to Sobhi and needed coaching on the final decision making, look at them now. Ramadan can be the same with good coaching, I think some overlook how good he can really be for us going forward.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 9:33:08 GMT
Hahahahaha, get him in.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 9:26:07 GMT
Would be something else. Anyone fancy tipping up John Coates to try and save us from MON? Bloody hell we're just plucking any foreign name out of the hat now. More google searches for people who have never heard of him, to then decide he his the next pep. With all due respect, football does exist outside of the Premier League and I firmly believe that appointing someone like Fonseca who has managed at TOP LEVEL clubs in RECENT years will make for a far better appointment than MON.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 9:18:52 GMT
Paulo Fonseca anyone? If PC can be persuaded to go down the QSF route again for something different from the norm then he fits the mould. Young, won stuff, long term prospect. Linked with Everton and Sheff Wed late last year and in his final year at Shakhtar. Go get him Tony. www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/stoke/next-permanent-managerI've been praying for some non-MON options to start coming in in the betting. Not much happening so far! He'd be an interesting one - sitting there at 33s. Would be something else. Anyone fancy tipping up John Coates to try and save us from MON?
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 5:15:44 GMT
Our fans are so sour. Is it because you’ll never see anyone half as good as him play for Stoke in your life time? Phenomenal player. Period.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 5:09:45 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 14, 2018 4:51:12 GMT
You lot stopped booing him off now then? Well yes because he's delivering. First few games he got yellows, reds and added nothing. Now he's running the show. He's better than I thought......and IMO worth more than we paid !! if he can keep it up? Don’t worry hammered. Some can’t take your banter. Also, there’s a lot on here that are in denial about how good he was for us, you’ve got yourself a quality player mate. He actually followed a similar trend here it took him a good 5/6 months before he settled and started showing how good he really was.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 19:24:14 GMT
I’d say that speaks for a lot on here. Take it you are referring to the negative snowflakes on here. Yes
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 19:07:18 GMT
Do we want boring football for half a season and premier league survival, or a inexperienced manager with no premier league experience and a straight relegation just because he's 20 years younger? People asking for lee fucking johnson. Christ on a bike I forgot Martin O’Neill was the messiah and we’re 100% guaranteed to stay up with O’Neill. Johnson is one of the most coveted managers in the Championship. Young and hungry and plays good, intense football.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 19:05:24 GMT
It lacks courage and inspiration to appoint the likes of MON small time mentality and it will send us down. Not a chance It might not send us down but the rest of the post was accurate. Uninspiring, boring, shortsighted, gutless, middle-of-the-road, ordinary, backwards, tedious and insipid appointment. Board out.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 19:00:01 GMT
Martin O’Neill. Boring with shit personality. Wastes money on transfers and wages. Plays shit football. 65 years old. Keane is a nut job. Won’t be able to attract anyone outside of England. Hasn’t been in club football for a decade. Wank, just utterly wank. Posts like this make me miss the smite button I said what a lot of people are thinking. Maybe not very eloquently.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 18:57:28 GMT
Am I wrong here or what ? We only want MON on a short term deal, that is the clubs decision. So why would we cave and give him 3 years? Offer him a 6 month deal if he doesn’t want it then so be it. Go searching in the championship. It’ll be a 2 and a half year deal surely? That’s my point. Why are we letting a manager that we only want as a stop gap dictate to us what he wants. If you’re chasing someone that you see as a long term vision there make exceptions but for me; “Hi Martin. 6 months in the PL. Yes or No?” “No” “Thanks but no thanks, Martin” Job done. Go out and give Lee Johnson or Jokanovic a 2 year deal. We don’t want him bad enough to have him on a 2.5 year deal
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 18:50:48 GMT
Am I wrong here or what ? We only want MON on a short term deal, that is the clubs decision. So why would we cave and give him 3 years? Offer him a 6 month deal if he doesn’t want it then so be it. Go searching in the championship.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 18:41:22 GMT
Breaking on 606 now. Luke Edwards from the telegraph. He is close to The MON camp. What’s 606?
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 18:39:57 GMT
He spunks up the wall a shed load of money on crap footballers and we revert to hoofing it. I just think he's a bit of a dinosaur but he deserves backing if he comes. He absolutely didn't do that at Leicester or Villa. Signed players for big fees and astronomical wages though.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 18:38:45 GMT
Martin O’Neill. Boring with shit personality. Wastes money on transfers and wages. Plays shit football. 65 years old. Keane is a nut job. Won’t be able to attract anyone outside of England. Hasn’t been in club football for a decade. Wank, just utterly wank. He's actually a very smart man with a highly engaging personality Didn't play shit football at Leicester, Celtic or Villa Signed excellent players for those clubs. Played dour negative football with Ireland when he had four negative footballers Even at Sunderland he kept them up comfortably when he first went there. Don't see what the issue with his age is. Roy Keane will just be his assistant and haven't large sections being calling for someone to give players a bit of fear. Why won't he be able to attract foreign players? He signed foreign players before, he's not Pulis. Points heeded.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 18:35:57 GMT
Give them a 3 year deal and let’s get on with it. That’s 3 more years in the premier league. Oh and sign Shane Long. Let’s sign Niall Quinn whilst we’re at it.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 18:30:44 GMT
O'Neill will keep us up. It's what happens after that worries me a bit. What do you think will happen after? I genuinely don't understand the reaction against him. He’ll keep us up again but NO MORE! That’s why we got rid of Pulis, to push on. We’ve gone back in time 8 years if we appoint MON. Short term, acceptable. After that, useless.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 18:29:04 GMT
While Tony Scholes is at the club and in charge of closing deals there’ll always be a chance said deals won’t be completed. But you just know the useless twat will pull out his A game with O’Neil. Let’s just hope he tells us to do one. The thought of having O’Neil as manger for the next 2-3 years really is depressing.I’d say that speaks for a lot on here.
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