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Post by alster on May 24, 2018 16:54:41 GMT
A loan? When does this ever work out for us. We are probably paying his wages. I'd rather see if Rowett can get something out of him Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Hasn't got the attributes. Can't run, can't jump, turning circle of a double decker, no aggresion how the fuck could you make a centre half out of that?
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Post by alster on May 24, 2018 16:51:02 GMT
BREAKING NEWS: Wimmer failed medical in Hannover. Medics became concerned when blood tests showed up an incredibly low testosterone level. Try as they did they couldn't find a set of bollocks anywhere.
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Post by alster on May 24, 2018 15:58:04 GMT
The championship is rapidly becoming a two tier system like the Prem where the richer clubs( and I'll include Stoke in this) will dominate and yo-yo between the two leagues. The days of clubs the size of Bournemouth and Brighton reaching the Prem are numbered I'm afraid. Not so sure...if a small club like Bournemouth can get a billionaire Russian owner to back them, why not another small club? Maybe someone like Fleetwood (very ambitious owner). Yup absolute bollocks to say small clubs can't be financed to the Premier League all you need is an investor who's willing to put large amounts of money into any club they choose our owners are very very rich but they don't want to put money into the club. They're far wealthier than Demin at Bournemouth for instance.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 18:26:15 GMT
You might have edited it but I've still got the original Was a typo mate thats what you get for a MacBook with an american keyboard I prefer Pugsley's explanation.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 18:21:28 GMT
As much as everyone wants to bash Hughes, did anyone notice he kept Saints up whilst we went down without a whimper under Lambert? Just log off Southampton's team was 10x ours after your mate leslie ruined it with his shit houses. He inherited a quality squad full of pace. You might have edited it but I've still got the original
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 18:16:06 GMT
As much as everyone wants to bash Hughes, did anyone notice he kept Saints up whilst we went down without a whimper under Lambert? Just log off Southampton's team was 10x ours after your mate leslie ruined it with his shit houses. He inherited an quality squad full of space.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 18:03:56 GMT
True but the spine of the team through all that were Pulis players, when they started shipping out and we didn't replace like for like the problems began. I thought the problems started when Hughes stopped playing his best players (who he bought) and replaced them with worse players, who he also bought. They started in earnest when he decided he didn't want to be Mark Hughes anymore and would rather be Tony Pulis, he was really shit at it.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 17:54:31 GMT
No just 99.9% of the time. Edit: It got them our best player for a start. Players want to win things - that's as important to a lot of them as money. It's a short career and they want to be as successful as they can be. West Ham might've been able to get our best player, but it's all relative - the really big names they crave and they're always going on about still won't touch them. Even when they did sign a world class player they could barely keep him 18 months before he wanted out again, and took a substantial pay cut to do so. It isn't relative at all they got our best player because they have the ambition to do these things to push the boat out. Who knows one day it might all just come together but if you don't try you'll never know. Our boat has never left the jetty because our owners are too busy safety checking everysingle thing that could go wrong no matter how implausible. They bet on being frugal incase the Premier League money bubble burst. Now we all get to play whip n top whilst the other kids run off with their balloons.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 17:43:53 GMT
In net terms it will probably be about £50M more than we spend this Summer but some people still call that investment or a war chest Why are you waving? Are you going somewhere?
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 17:34:08 GMT
For me he was consistently average, but we have struggled as a team ever since he has come into the team. So my negativity only emerges when I come across enthusiasm for him which I still cannot fathom. For me that is because he is neither an effective defensive midfielder i.e he gets easily knocked off the ball and commits too many fouls because he cant hang on to the ball. Neither is he an effective creative midfielder. We hardly ever saw him play a clever ball through to forwards, he's not very creative, his tendency is to move the ball backwards, his passing is only decent when he has to move the ball quickly. If he has time on the ball he ponders and is usually dispossessed while he's thinking what to do with it. I cant work out the enthusiasm for him. He's a kind of luxury player, he needs 2 other central midfielders around him to be of any purpose. I have not seen our midfield dominate a game for a very long time and you cant just blame the manager for that all of the time. Liverpool fans used to say he is a good player but nobody could see how he fitted into their team. I wanted to like him and he strikes as an honest and committed player but just cant see it. I will be amazed if he is successful at any Prem club but lets see! To me Allen is as far away from a luxery player as you can get! His workrate is superb and he always gives everything for the team. This is the kind of player we need in our midfield, and I think Allen and Badou looked better and better together. I really hope we can keep them both as I can't see us getting anyone even close to their quality in as long as we're in the Championship. They are far too similar, keep either but not both. They should be competing for the same role and that's a luxury we can no longer afford. I wouldn't be heartbroken if they both went. By the way they don't have much quality that's the problem. They run about a lot.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 17:30:21 GMT
Yeah I can just imagine us landing pellegrini. Whether it works or not they show ambition. Last study I read as a club they had an estimated value considerably below ours and their owners are definitely nowhere near as stashed. Obviously the first part might have changed now we are bleeding from this self inflicted wound. Our club reeks of smalltime mentality and outdated old fashioned values. It's everybit as responsible for our situation as Mark Hughes as muddled as he became here. The whole argument was whether it works or not though wasn’t it? My point was that West Ham do all the things you want us to do but it hasn’t got them the marquee players they want or to where they want to be. All I’m saying is that while there’s no doubt the transfer team is incompetent, sometimes players join clubs for reasons beyond our control. It’s not always just about money. No just 99.9% of the time. Edit: It got them our best player for a start.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 17:07:18 GMT
Leicester, Bournemouth, West Ham off the top of my head they show ambition in the market and on the pitch not hem themselves in with this club of our size bollocks. Leicester did it when they had Champions League football they could offer. They’re still, that season apart, not even managing to finish as the best of the rest. Have Bournemouth been paying over the odds? I must’ve missed that. West Ham try every season to ‘break’ into the elite and for all the money they try to throw around they struggle to get the names they target. They’ve spent the last two seasons talking about signing every big name striker under the sun, and ended up with Zaza and a washed up Chicarito. They’re hardly the proof of the ‘spending over the odds gets you where you want to be’ argument, especially since they were still in a relegation battle with two weeks of the season left. I can’t imagine we were in a position to blow the likes of Southampton or Leicester out of the water, and even if we’d offered a better wage, which we might’ve done for all we know, both of those clubs were perceived as being brighter prospects than ours - Soton because they’d been in Europe, had a string of good league finishes and were a stepping stone to bigger clubs, Leicester because they’d won the league and that glow still hadn’t entirely evaporated. I can’t imagine pushing the club far beyond its means ends up with a happy ending. Yeah I can just imagine us landing pellegrini. Whether it works or not they show ambition. Last study I read as a club they had an estimated value considerably below ours and their owners are definitely nowhere near as stashed. Obviously the first part might have changed now we are bleeding from this self inflicted wound. Our club reeks of smalltime mentality and outdated old fashioned values. It's everybit as responsible for our situation as Mark Hughes as muddled as he became here.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:42:14 GMT
Of course it is. They overspent to get to that level. Not saying we had to spend on their level but if we were in direct competition with a more desirable club usually Southampton if you want to beat them to the punch you have to outspend them by a margin big enough to change the perception of the deals on offer. We simply refused to do that at any stage. They said it a hundred time “we’ll only sign players on the right deal” just cements your position in the food chain. Ambitious clubs break down barriers not imprison them self’s inside them. So what club of our size has done that? Leicester, Bournemouth, West Ham off the top of my head they show ambition in the market and on the pitch not hem themselves in with this club of our size bollocks.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:38:12 GMT
Allen's class I reckon, I remember everyone talking about how shit N'Zonzi was, place really hasn't got a clue what a good footballer looks like at times. That's ridiculous, like trying to say a mouse is the same as a giraffe because they are both animals. N'Zonzi ooozes quality and can control a match, I've never seen Allen own midfield and control the match. There is not a single thing he’s even nearly as good at as Nzonzi.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:32:31 GMT
You don’t sack your manager until you’ve got an agreement with his replacement. Everybody laughed at Wolves when they sacked McCarthy and no fucker would take the job. Our board obviously missed that lesson. They’re too fucking old fashioned. They just left it way too long before sacking him and then panicked. Appointing Lambert was always going to end in disaster. No they just did it all in the wrong order. If they’d done things in the right order they’d have realised no fucker would take the job on their terms so might as well have left it until the Summer.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:26:14 GMT
Getting rid worked out well didn't it? Only an absolute moron would argue that Hughes shouldn’t have been sacked. You don’t sack your manager until you’ve got an agreement with his replacement. Everybody laughed at Wolves when they sacked McCarthy and no fucker would take the job. Our board obviously missed that lesson. They’re too fucking old fashioned.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:19:53 GMT
Goalies can play for years more than 35! The best keepers normally are older, I'm sure the peak must be around 35, not sure just guessing. Outdated nonsense.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:18:02 GMT
Wonder what he makes of the appointment of our new manager? Didn’t get much first team action at Derby He’s 35, surely we should be looking at a younger goalkeeper - Angus Gunn, u21 international Goalies can play for years more than 35! Not at their best they can’t. Is he really that good that he’ll be good enough when his reaction speed drops by a fraction which is inevitable very soon if not already happened.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:14:07 GMT
In which case you have to make sure you’re offering them a better deal. You have to overpay to elevate your position in the food chain. How do you think Chelsea and Man City broke into the elite? Do you think that's an apt comparison? Of course it is. They overspent to get to that level. Not saying we had to spend on their level but if we were in direct competition with a more desirable club usually Southampton if you want to beat them to the punch you have to outspend them by a margin big enough to change the perception of the deals on offer. We simply refused to do that at any stage. They said it a hundred time “we’ll only sign players on the right deal” just cements your position in the food chain. Ambitious clubs break down barriers not imprison them self’s inside them.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:01:48 GMT
If they were willing to come and talk to us they would have signed if the deals were right. I don’t buy that they just fancied a look around Clayton Wood. To not stretch for top targets then end up blowing nearly as much on third fourth choice compromises was unforgivable false economy. I think in many cases they just chose a club they perceived had better prospects and was a better stepping stone. In which case you have to make sure you’re offering them a better deal. You have to overpay to elevate your position in the food chain. How do you think Chelsea and Man City broke into the elite?
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 15:57:57 GMT
Amazes me how Scholes and Cartwright are shit as they sign awful players, yet it’s all Hughes fault that they were there If Hughes had no choice in who was signed then that also adds the lack of integrity to his crime sheet He should of walked or just maybe they were his choices in which case he is guilty of gross negligence So if initially he wanted Harry Maguire(we had talks) but ended up agreeing to sign Wimmer for the same sort of money because our crack negotiator couldn’t do the first choice deal he’s totally culpable?
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 15:49:16 GMT
I think we missed out on enough players we had talks with that would have been far better than those we did sign to say we’ll never really know how much blame to apportion to each of them. That’s why I think we should have cleared the decks and started from scratch. Oh I'd have got rid of all of them, absolutely. I'm not sure how far missing out on them was anyone's fault or just one of those things really. If they were willing to come and talk to us they would have signed if the deals were right. I don’t buy that they just fancied a look around Clayton Wood. To not stretch for top targets then end up blowing nearly as much on third fourth choice compromises was unforgivable false economy.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 15:44:02 GMT
I agree, my point is people slaughter the pizza boys in one thread for the transfers, next thread it’s all Hughes. I think it’s about time people realise some players are bought without the managers approval Well then if that's the case he should have made it known and not played them. Pulis never did when the Icelandics bought him players. That’s because he’s a twat.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 15:42:43 GMT
I agree, my point is people slaughter the pizza boys in one thread for the transfers, next thread it’s all Hughes. I think it’s about time people realise some players are bought without the managers approval I'm not sure anyone at Stoke was. I don't think most transfer structures like this work that way. They're driven by the manager, he has his own targets and own ideas, and the others makes suggestions based on the positions and attributes he's looking for to supplement them. I think we missed out on enough players we had talks with that would have been far better than those we did sign to say we’ll never really know how much blame to apportion to each of them. That’s why I think we should have cleared the decks and started from scratch.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 15:29:31 GMT
He’s a bit like a wasp. Annoying you don’t really want it to sting you but you know that it’s not going to do you too much damage.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:34:39 GMT
No fat lesbian seems a more fitting description.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:33:44 GMT
A man.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:33:32 GMT
A footballer.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:33:18 GMT
A defender even.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 10:31:30 GMT
I know calling Wimmer a central defender is a very loose description.
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