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Post by george2again on May 23, 2018 6:23:25 GMT
Nice to have a bit of positivity around the club for a change, but can't forget the dreadful season just gone and ask the question what the hell happened? Throwing money at Rowett is all well and good but buying two forwards in Jan could well of kept us in the Premier league - why the change in attitude in spending in a lower division? All the main protagonists are still in place and its like we have all forgot about their incompetence in running this club. Clean sweep was needed but heads must roll at the top as well.
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Post by salopstick on May 23, 2018 6:24:48 GMT
IMO they thought they would limp over the line with lambert. Given the fixtures they thought any idiot could get 4 wins
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Post by nott1 on May 23, 2018 6:26:03 GMT
What happened? We got Lambert.
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Post by Veritas on May 23, 2018 6:29:43 GMT
Nice to have a bit of positivity around the club for a change, but can't forget the dreadful season just gone and ask the question what the hell happened? Throwing money at Rowett is all well and good but buying two forwards in Jan could well of kept us in the Premier league - why the change in attitude in spending in a lower division? All the main protagonists are still in place and its like we have all forgot about their incompetence in running this club. Clean sweep was needed but heads must roll at the top as well. Buying two two forwards in January may well have kept us up but that was much easier said than done, note the impact of West Brom's signing of Sturridge which at the time many on here lamented as a signing we should be making. |
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Post by doitforfrank on May 23, 2018 6:30:50 GMT
Still believe one of the main decision makers need to go. One of either Scholes or Cartwright would satisfy me. Don't want to see people out of jobs, but blame Hughes all you want, those two had not just the opportunity to go to the Coates family and express their concerns over signings Hughes wanted to make. When you are spending 10's of millions of pounds of somebody else money, it is inconceivable that they trusted in Hughes judgment entirely, and even if they did, at some point one of, if not both, must have thought "Hang on, this isn't right". Their failure to act gives them just as much blame as Hughes in my eyes. Heads still need to roll.
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Post by crapslinger on May 23, 2018 6:35:33 GMT
Still believe one of the main decision makers need to go. One of either Scholes or Cartwright would satisfy me. Don't want to see people out of jobs, but blame Hughes all you want, those two had not just the opportunity to go to the Coates family and express their concerns over signings Hughes wanted to make. When you are spending 10's of millions of pounds of somebody else money, it is inconceivable that they trusted in Hughes judgment entirely, and even if they did, at some point one of, if not both, must have thought "Hang on, this isn't right". Their failure to act gives them just as much blame as Hughes in my eyes. Heads still need to roll. Cartwright's job task claims put a great deal of blame firmly on his own head, despite Spinks pathetic attempt to come to his aid he should have gone same day as Shambert. |
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Post by george2again on May 23, 2018 6:46:59 GMT
The attitude and positivity coming from the top just wan't there in Jan - why? If Lambert had kept us up we should have released him anyway, that's modern football and you have to be hard and move on.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 6:48:40 GMT
I still think the problems are at the top
and only time will tell with this manager.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 6:57:13 GMT
Nice to have a bit of positivity around the club for a change, but can't forget the dreadful season just gone and ask the question what the hell happened? Throwing money at Rowett is all well and good but buying two forwards in Jan could well of kept us in the Premier league - why the change in attitude in spending in a lower division? All the main protagonists are still in place and its like we have all forgot about their incompetence in running this club. Clean sweep was needed but heads must roll at the top as well. You just don't get it do you. They'll spend a lot less than they bring in from transfers. That's the sort of spending they like nowadays. Wait for the accounts to be published in a couple of years and see if they really spent anything, me thinks not. |
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Post by Danstoke82 on May 23, 2018 7:11:07 GMT
They allowed the club to sleepwalk its way to relegation, hoping that there would be three worse teams then us all summed up by that ill timed "whats all the fuss" comment by Coates Snr. The inevitable happened and we went down.
I think at least now, some of the board are realising their mistakes and trying to change things (namely John Coates). Appointing Rowett goes a long way in my estimation that they are trying to solve the problems.
Im guessing it took the worst case scenario, being relegated, to finally make them realise how poorly we were being run by them.
I still believe there are problems that need to be addressed at the top (Scholes and Cartwright mostly, followed by Coates Snr) and I'm hoping John and Denise start to act accordingly to resolve them.
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Post by rawli on May 23, 2018 7:41:23 GMT
They believed the hype that we were a well run club and a model for clubs getting promoted. We were 5 years ago but things move on. Once the people at the top have that kind of attitude it spreads down to the manager, players and even supporters. By the time you realise it's gone wrong it takes a massive effort to correct it and as the January farce shows, that effort wasn't there.
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Post by clarkeda on May 23, 2018 7:44:34 GMT
There’s been a change in power at the top table by the look of things
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 7:48:57 GMT
I’m just wondering at what point we’ll all start to look forward and stop looking back?
Whether lessons have been learned time will tell, the proof will be in the pudding over the next 12 months or so, but to constantly keep reliving lasts seasons shitshow doesn’t really achieve anything......
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 7:57:51 GMT
I’m just wondering at what point we’ll all start to look forward and stop looking back? Whether lessons have been learned time will tell, the proof will be in the pudding over the next 12 months or so, but to constantly keep reliving lasts seasons shitshow doesn’t really achieve anything...... Start looking forward when the squad starts taking shape, see what the football is like and what results it brings. Last season will linger in the memory for all the wrong reasons but at least it will linger unlike the season before it that was total meh. |
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Post by philb on May 23, 2018 8:01:55 GMT
Still believe one of the main decision makers need to go. One of either Scholes or Cartwright would satisfy me. Don't want to see people out of jobs, but blame Hughes all you want, those two had not just the opportunity to go to the Coates family and express their concerns over signings Hughes wanted to make. When you are spending 10's of millions of pounds of somebody else money, it is inconceivable that they trusted in Hughes judgment entirely, and even if they did, at some point one of, if not both, must have thought "Hang on, this isn't right". Their failure to act gives them just as much blame as Hughes in my eyes. Heads still need to roll. Scholes isn’t going anywhere judging by the fact that he’s on yesterdays pictures with Coates and Rowett, so looks like Cartwright’s off 🤞 |
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Post by maliciousdamage on May 23, 2018 8:06:27 GMT
Still believe one of the main decision makers need to go. One of either Scholes or Cartwright would satisfy me. Don't want to see people out of jobs, but blame Hughes all you want, those two had not just the opportunity to go to the Coates family and express their concerns over signings Hughes wanted to make. When you are spending 10's of millions of pounds of somebody else money, it is inconceivable that they trusted in Hughes judgment entirely, and even if they did, at some point one of, if not both, must have thought "Hang on, this isn't right". Their failure to act gives them just as much blame as Hughes in my eyes. Heads still need to roll. Interestingly to me is the fact all the noises now are made by Peter and much more recently John Coates I’ve seen one picture of Rowett where Tony the snitch looked like he’d crept in on it also little or no mention of Cartwright. I suspect the pair have had a royal bollocking and dressing down John seems to be stepping more into the spotlight so I suspect Cartwright will somewhere disappear off the books and Scholes is now more isolated and has less protection from Peter ie fuck up again and you’re gone. Rowett looks head strong to me so they really have to get the players ‘he’ wants to do the job this tume |
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Post by doitforfrank on May 23, 2018 8:06:28 GMT
Still believe one of the main decision makers need to go. One of either Scholes or Cartwright would satisfy me. Don't want to see people out of jobs, but blame Hughes all you want, those two had not just the opportunity to go to the Coates family and express their concerns over signings Hughes wanted to make. When you are spending 10's of millions of pounds of somebody else money, it is inconceivable that they trusted in Hughes judgment entirely, and even if they did, at some point one of, if not both, must have thought "Hang on, this isn't right". Their failure to act gives them just as much blame as Hughes in my eyes. Heads still need to roll. Scholes isn’t going anywhere judging by the fact that he’s on yesterdays pictures with Coates and Rowett, so looks like Cartwright’s off 🤞 I'll settle for that. If nothing else it gives the message that things were done wrong, and a warning to Teflon, that shit will stick in the future. It might bring his arrogance down a few levels |
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Post by claytonscrubs on May 23, 2018 8:18:38 GMT
It looks like John Coates is pulling the strings now....The beginning of a new era? Hopefully 🤞
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Post by andystokey on May 23, 2018 8:22:01 GMT
IMO they thought they would limp over the line with lambert. Given the fixtures they thought any idiot could get 4 wins I agree unfortunately Lambert wasn't just any old idiot. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 8:22:49 GMT
It looks like John Coates is pulling the strings now....The beginning of a new era? Hopefully 🤞 Didn’t he pull the strings with the appointment of Hughes ? |
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Post by claytonscrubs on May 23, 2018 8:38:33 GMT
It looks like John Coates is pulling the strings now....The beginning of a new era? Hopefully 🤞 Didn’t he pull the strings with the appointment of Hughes ? Didn’t Peter have the final say? ...The first three seasons under Hughes I thoroughly enjoyed, three 9th places weren’t too bad 😉 |
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Post by stokecity4life on May 23, 2018 8:49:24 GMT
IMO they thought they would limp over the line with lambert. Given the fixtures they thought any idiot could get 4 wins This is exactly right and being honest with the players at the club we should have done.... They also quite clearly wanted to give Hughes until the summer, they believed on paper we had enough to stay up then i`m certain he would have been gone ala Pulis.... But it didn`t work. Now they have to act. They have acted, and must now back GR and begin the process, not forgetting the window is shorter this year and then we go into the Championship all guns blazing. |
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Post by jzime on May 23, 2018 8:53:41 GMT
Nice to have a bit of positivity around the club for a change, but can't forget the dreadful season just gone and ask the question what the hell happened? Throwing money at Rowett is all well and good but buying two forwards in Jan could well of kept us in the Premier league - why the change in attitude in spending in a lower division? All the main protagonists are still in place and its like we have all forgot about their incompetence in running this club. Clean sweep was needed but heads must roll at the top as well. Pretty easy to guess (and I am just guessing) what happened in January, to be honest. The club wanted Rowett or QSF, but we left it too late to sack Hughes and neither of them saw us as a more stable place to be than the clubs they were already at. Then we tried for Martin O'Neill, but him turning us down really hurt us and we felt panicked into appointing Lambert just to have a man in before the end of the transfer window. But Lambert was fourth choice, the board knew that they didn't really want him and that he would be an unpopular appointment with the fans, so they shoved a break clause in his contract and he was desperate enough for the job to roll with it. The board really thought we would be able to stay up with the forwards we had, and weren't fully prepared to back a manager they didn't really believe in or see as the ultimate long-term prospect. We gave him Bauer and Ndiaye, but they were obviously transfer team signings and not Lambert signings. Lambert was dreadful, even worse than the board expected, and he destroyed Diouf's confidence (who I suspect the board had pinned their goal-scoring hopes on?). Suddenly, through sheer luck and coincidence, we were in the very fortunate position where both of our top targets in January (plus David Moyes) were available again. So Peter and John Coates have promised to 'learn from their mistakes', fucked Lambert off, and appointed the man they wanted all along; one the actually trust to back in the transfer market. |
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Post by Gods on May 23, 2018 8:54:30 GMT
IMO they thought they would limp over the line with lambert. Given the fixtures they thought any idiot could get 4 wins We spent a cool £12 million on Moritz and Badou didn't we? I'm pretty sure with those 2 extra players Hughes would have turned 2 of the draws in to the wins that it would have taken to stay up. It was insanity to replace Hughes with Lambert when we did. The board should have hung tough, they knew it was the wrong thing to do but the pressure broke them in the end. It's going to cost them a fortune to make up for it. Live and learn I guess. Just hope its not 23 years back this time. |
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Post by robrigo on May 23, 2018 8:59:19 GMT
IMO they thought they would limp over the line with lambert. Given the fixtures they thought any idiot could get 4 wins We spent a cool £12 million on Moritz and Badou didn't we? I'm pretty sure with those 2 extra players Hughes would have turned 2 of the draws in to wins that it would have taken to stay up. It was insanity to replace Hughes with Lambert when we did. The board should have hung tough, they knew it was the wrong thing to do but the pressure broke them in the end. It's going to cost them a fortune to make up for it. Live and learn I guess. Just hope its not 23 years back this time. Agree with this. In reality we should have sacked Hughes last summer but we all know this. The arrival of Rowett and the noise of a massive war chest has given me that tingling feeling again. I can’t wait to see who we sign and I can’t wait for next season either! |
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Post by thebet365 on May 23, 2018 9:08:54 GMT
IMO they thought they would limp over the line with lambert. Given the fixtures they thought any idiot could get 4 wins We spent a cool £12 million on Moritz and Badou didn't we? I'm pretty sure with those 2 extra players Hughes would have turned 2 of the draws in to wins that it would have taken to stay up. It was insanity to replace Hughes with Lambert when we did. The board should have hung tough, they knew it was the wrong thing to do but the pressure broke them in the end. It's going to cost them a fortune to make up for it. Live and learn I guess. Just hope its not 23 years back this time. And the rest, it was more like £20 Million for them 2 and they've been 2 of our better performers, Shows what a shit job Lambert really did. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on May 23, 2018 9:19:37 GMT
Nice to have a bit of positivity around the club for a change, but can't forget the dreadful season just gone and ask the question what the hell happened? Throwing money at Rowett is all well and good but buying two forwards in Jan could well of kept us in the Premier league - why the change in attitude in spending in a lower division? All the main protagonists are still in place and its like we have all forgot about their incompetence in running this club. Clean sweep was needed but heads must roll at the top as well. You just don't get it do you. They'll spend a lot less than they bring in from transfers. That's the sort of spending they like nowadays. Wait for the accounts to be published in a couple of years and see if they really spent anything, me thinks not. But that is clearly a wrong assessment of the last 10 years. The owners are £100 million down on debt provides to the club and the Bet365 sponsorship transfers more money in under the radar. The club has spent well owner £100 million more on transfers than it has brought in during the last decade. |
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Post by miggoscfc on May 23, 2018 9:24:09 GMT
Still believe one of the main decision makers need to go. One of either Scholes or Cartwright would satisfy me. Don't want to see people out of jobs, but blame Hughes all you want, those two had not just the opportunity to go to the Coates family and express their concerns over signings Hughes wanted to make. When you are spending 10's of millions of pounds of somebody else money, it is inconceivable that they trusted in Hughes judgment entirely, and even if they did, at some point one of, if not both, must have thought "Hang on, this isn't right". Their failure to act gives them just as much blame as Hughes in my eyes. Heads still need to roll. Scholes isn’t going anywhere judging by the fact that he’s on yesterdays pictures with Coates and Rowett, so looks like Cartwright’s off 🤞 I dont think Cartwright was on the pics with Lambert either was he ? His job is player recruitment so has no business being involved here so i would say it means nothing. |
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Post by Veritas on May 23, 2018 9:27:09 GMT
You just don't get it do you. They'll spend a lot less than they bring in from transfers. That's the sort of spending they like nowadays. Wait for the accounts to be published in a couple of years and see if they really spent anything, me thinks not. But that is clearly a wrong assessment of the last 10 years. The owners are £100 million down on debt provides to the club and the Bet365 sponsorship transfers more money in under the radar. The club has spent well owner £100 million more on transfers than it has brought in during the last decade. Now, now then what's all this? facts getting in the way of misinformed rants we can't be having that move along please |
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 9:31:46 GMT
You just don't get it do you. They'll spend a lot less than they bring in from transfers. That's the sort of spending they like nowadays. Wait for the accounts to be published in a couple of years and see if they really spent anything, me thinks not. But that is clearly a wrong assessment of the last 10 years. The owners are £100 million down on debt provides to the club and the Bet365 sponsorship transfers more money in under the radar. The club has spent well owner £100 million more on transfers than it has brought in during the last decade. There is a difference in the club reinvesting Premier League income and the owners putting money in themselves. Something they've done a lot of if you take an 11 year period or hardly any of if you cut that period down to the last 4 years say. |
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