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Post by Northy on Oct 10, 2009 11:11:41 GMT
100% agree sal i believe that evil bitch did irreparable damage to our fine nation, it is a result of her policies that we find ourselves in the shit were in today. and when the tories get in next year which they surely will given the media campaign i truthfully fear for myself and other working class families from our area!! 12 years of Brown and Bliar holding the purse strings and the laws of this country not had anything to do with the shit we are in now then ;D
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 10, 2009 11:15:43 GMT
Its bizarre to me that we are in a recession because of the failure of totally unregulated free capitalism, and on the back of that we are ready to vote in a Conservative government. You couldn't make it up
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Post by salopstick on Oct 10, 2009 12:16:44 GMT
when the tories handed over power in 97 britain was on the way up a result of thatcher's policices and look at the mess the idiots who took over have left us in
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 12:40:47 GMT
100% agree sal i believe that evil bitch did irreparable damage to our fine nation, it is a result of her policies that we find ourselves in the shit were in today. and when the tories get in next year which they surely will given the media campaign i truthfully fear for myself and other working class families from our area!! Only on the oatcake will you see comments like the above If Maggie (the great one) did do much damge what have Labour done over the last 12 years to repair it? I will look forward to your answer
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 10, 2009 13:02:20 GMT
Its bizarre to me that we are in a recession because of the failure of totally unregulated free capitalism, and on the back of that we are ready to vote in a Conservative government. You couldn't make it up Spot on, God help us
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 10, 2009 13:03:31 GMT
when the tories handed over power in 97 britain was on the way up a result of thatcher's policices and look at the mess the idiots who took over have left us in That one I'm not arguing with, Ken Clarke was a really good Chancellor and well to the left of what Brown and Darling have now become.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 10, 2009 13:20:03 GMT
I concede that Ken Clarke was a good Chancellor. Part of me hopes that, if the Tories do win next May-June, then they replace Osborne with Clarke. I've always liked Mr Clarke - he also comes across very well
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 10, 2009 18:14:24 GMT
Blair made peace with the IRA - a lasting peace. Most of the world's great leaders of the 20th Century were once classed as terrorists and imprisoned by the British. A negotiated peace requires negotiations and concessions from both sides. They give up their arms and stop killing people and we let terrorists out of prison and allow the people of Northern Ireland free elections to choose their MPs. Sounds like a fantastic deal for the people of Britain to me and ensures Blair's greatness for many centuries. Blair made running the country look easy. If it was so easy, why can't Major or Brown do it? although the negotiatons were taking place before 2001 it was 9-11 that finally brought peace in northern ireland how could britain with the yanks wage war on terror and terrorists if they did not practice what they preached on their door step sinnfein and the other groups realised this and got he best deal they could Absolute rubbish... The Peace Process occurred because more and more Nationalists who'd previously voted SDLP were turning to Sinn Fein..and both British and Irish Governments shit themselves...hence the need for Garrett Fitzgerald and Maggie Thatcher sitting down WITH the IRA Army Council and the UDA leadership (Glenn Barr..Andy Tyree...John White...Gusty Spence) to try and hammer out a deal.. 9/11 had absolutely fuck all to do with it...a deal was struck in the mid 1990's with both UDA/UVF and both the 'Official IRA' based in Dublin and The Provo's in the North leaderships via London and Dublin Goverenments as well as Religous Leaders from both Nationalist and Protestant Sections of Northern Ireland (Belfast and Derry) which eventually became known as The Good Friday Agreement... And just for the record.. 1 It was a TORY Home Secretary..the Warmongering Aristocrat Winston Churchill that partitioned Ireland in 1923..after The Easter Rising...which led eventually to 35 years of terrible conflict and death....and appalling suffering 2 And It was a LABOUR Prime Minister that bought about peace to Northern Ireland...something that no British Government had done in over 200 years... Whether you love or hate Blair..he will go down in History as the Man who bought Peace to Northern Ireland...and for that he truly deserves his place in the record books
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Post by Northy on Oct 10, 2009 18:19:07 GMT
Its bizarre to me that we are in a recession because of the failure of totally unregulated free capitalism, and on the back of that we are ready to vote in a Conservative government. You couldn't make it up Spot on, God help us so if it was that bad, why wasn't the free regulation checked over the last 12 years or have we all been in a coma since 1997
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 10, 2009 18:23:45 GMT
Spot on, God help us so if it was that bad, why wasn't the free regulation checked over the last 12 years or have we all been in a coma since 1997 imho it wasn't checked because New Labour became committed free marketeers, surfed the wave, persuaded people the economy was genuinely growing when a lot of that was property hyperinflation... then tried to put the genie back in the bottle too late. But, they were only surfing the same wave as the rest of the world and (not that I'm a big fan of his) I believe Brown's one of the key global figures in making sure the crash won't have results like 1929. He'll probably turn out to have sacrificed his career doing it though, and I'm not saying he wasn't one of those responsible for the problem in the first place.
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Post by Northy on Oct 10, 2009 18:29:25 GMT
Australia took up the challenge and regulated their banks, so did other countries, it wasn't the rest of the world.
It was the greed of the "want it now" people who borrowed and borrowed that stoked the fires.
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Post by mumf14 on Oct 10, 2009 18:31:04 GMT
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 10, 2009 18:31:57 GMT
Australia took up the challenge and regulated their banks, so did other countries, it wasn't the rest of the world. It was the greed of the "want it now" people who borrowed and borrowed that stoked the fires. Yep, you're right. And the way Blair and Brown let themselves be led around by the nose. I'm no Tory but Clarke wouldn't have done that, he looks easygoing but he's not that daft.
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Post by Northy on Oct 10, 2009 18:33:53 GMT
Australia took up the challenge and regulated their banks, so did other countries, it wasn't the rest of the world. It was the greed of the "want it now" people who borrowed and borrowed that stoked the fires. Yep, you're right. And the way Blair and Brown let themselves be led around by the nose. I'm no Tory but Clarke wouldn't have done that, he looks easygoing but he's not that daft. we finally agree on something now onto that charity w***athon thing
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 10, 2009 18:36:04 GMT
;D ;D ;D
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Post by mumf14 on Oct 10, 2009 18:38:40 GMT
Australia took up the challenge and regulated their banks, so did other countries, it wasn't the rest of the world. It was the greed of the "want it now" people who borrowed and borrowed that stoked the fires. So you don't get foreign banks in Australia then.....or are you saying that Foreign Banks have to adopt 'Aussie rules'..? Do global communication banking systems have this Aussie Rules system of regulation and would you like to explain how this works...? Australia has avoided the global recession then due to it's very insular and inhouse private regulation..?
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Post by serpico on Oct 10, 2009 18:50:49 GMT
The peace process came about because we finally did the logical thing, after years of Thatcher essentially saying "we don't talk to terrorists" we actually addressed the legitimate grievances, this is how you end terror groups, you don't end them by ramping up the policies which cause the group to exist in the first place, something the Thatcherites couldn't grasp, it's a shame Blair didn't take this tact and use it later on, although i believe most of the credit goes to George Mitchell .
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Post by salopstick on Oct 10, 2009 18:51:44 GMT
although the negotiatons were taking place before 2001 it was 9-11 that finally brought peace in northern ireland how could britain with the yanks wage war on terror and terrorists if they did not practice what they preached on their door step sinnfein and the other groups realised this and got he best deal they could Absolute rubbish... The Peace Process occurred because more and more Nationalists who'd previously voted SDLP were turning to Sinn Fein..and both British and Irish Governments shit themselves...hence the need for Garrett Fitzgerald and Maggie Thatcher sitting down WITH the IRA Army Council and the UVF leadership to try and hammer out a deal.. 9/11 had absolutely fuck all to do with it...a deal was struck in the mid 1990's with both UVF/UFF and IRA/INLA leaderships via London and Dublin which eventually became known as The Good Friday Agreement...Labours lasting legacy and Tony Blair..love or loathe him has won his place in History as i said the negotiations had already started in the 80/90s blair was the pm in charge when the good friday agreement was finally signed in april 98, he had been in power for 11 months so how he gets the credit i dont know a good read www.csmonitor.com/2005/0729/p01s04-woeu.html
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Post by salopstick on Oct 10, 2009 18:54:10 GMT
and it was only in 2005 that that pira gave up arms to coin a phrase, if you dont think that the post 911 world and its views on terrorism contributed to thgat then fair enough, but i do
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Post by Northy on Oct 10, 2009 20:26:23 GMT
Australia took up the challenge and regulated their banks, so did other countries, it wasn't the rest of the world. It was the greed of the "want it now" people who borrowed and borrowed that stoked the fires. So you don't get foreign banks in Australia then.....or are you saying that Foreign Banks have to adopt 'Aussie rules'..? Do global communication banking systems have this Aussie Rules system of regulation and would you like to explain how this works...? Australia has avoided the global recession then due to it's very insular and inhouse private regulation..? You hardly had foreign banks in Australia until the 80's,merchant banks were then kept separate from public banks, they did start to de-regulate but not to the ways of the financial ways of Hong Kong, london, New York
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Post by bash62 on Oct 10, 2009 20:49:56 GMT
you get life for murder ?
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Post by march4 on Oct 10, 2009 20:52:33 GMT
Absolute rubbish... The Peace Process occurred because more and more Nationalists who'd previously voted SDLP were turning to Sinn Fein..and both British and Irish Governments shit themselves...hence the need for Garrett Fitzgerald and Maggie Thatcher sitting down WITH the IRA Army Council and the UVF leadership to try and hammer out a deal.. 9/11 had absolutely fuck all to do with it...a deal was struck in the mid 1990's with both UVF/UFF and IRA/INLA leaderships via London and Dublin which eventually became known as The Good Friday Agreement...Labours lasting legacy and Tony Blair..love or loathe him has won his place in History as i said the negotiations had already started in the 80/90s blair was the pm in charge when the good friday agreement was finally signed in april 98, he had been in power for 11 months so how he gets the credit i dont know a good read www.csmonitor.com/2005/0729/p01s04-woeu.htmlBlair got the credit because he personally negotiated the settlement. When you meet Blair his charisma is phenomenal. Up until he intervened Sinn Fein and the Unionists were trotting out the same biggoted excuses that had caused all of the unrest for decades. Blair was responsible for the Good Friday settlement more than any other person on the planet. He will be a fantastic President of Europe when he takes over next May.
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Post by bash62 on Oct 10, 2009 20:54:08 GMT
and allowed two IRA men a seat in goverment that takes the piss out of every person that was killed by that scum every person blown up in a pubs ,shopping centres,mums out with there kids ,well done tony liar and what about lady di . Not forgetting the Unionist terrorists who murdered innocent Catholics either Debs ok? oh yes the lot of them should still be in nick the good friday agreement what a load of bollocks
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Post by march4 on Oct 10, 2009 20:56:19 GMT
Not forgetting the Unionist terrorists who murdered innocent Catholics either Debs ok? oh yes the lot of them should still be in nick the good friday agreement what a load of bollocks 'What a load of bollocks' - the deaths have stopped. Let people keep murdering each other eh?
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Post by bash62 on Oct 10, 2009 21:05:14 GMT
oh yes the lot of them should still be in nick the good friday agreement what a load of bollocks 'What a load of bollocks' - the deaths have stopped. Let people keep murdering each other eh? no dip stick the people who killed people should still be in the nick .
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Post by salopstick on Oct 10, 2009 21:12:54 GMT
He will be a fantastic President of Europe when he takes over next May. i hope your joking
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 10, 2009 21:16:41 GMT
you get life for murder ? Yes, you do. What's your point?
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Post by march4 on Oct 10, 2009 21:22:10 GMT
He will be a fantastic President of Europe when he takes over next May. i hope your joking No, our greatest peacetime Primeminister since Victorian times What else could you possibly ask for - a member of the Bullingdon Club?
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Post by salopstick on Oct 10, 2009 21:23:16 GMT
hardly peace time mate
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Post by march4 on Oct 10, 2009 21:32:22 GMT
Rubbish, we are not at war, we are being the world's policeman - a role we have had for centuries. Any dictator must know that when his excesses become too great, there is a country that will come along and put an end to him.
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