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Post by french toast on Sept 14, 2009 10:31:48 GMT
oh and by the way world peace wouldnt work.
we are fighting the taliban because they are a racist army of outlaws who are responsable for training the 911 and 7/7 attackers???
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Post by Nick1984 on Sept 14, 2009 10:38:03 GMT
... because they cook fcuking good food and you don't get "extremist chinese" commiting or attempting mass atrocities on innocent western citzens maybe? So its ok to be miserable, kill your own people ,totally disregard human rights ,dont integrate with the people of your choice of residence .So long as you "pretend" to like us and dont bomb us you are ok in my book. ;D ;D Depends what you mean, second generation Chinese inntegrate perfectly into society. I'll admit most 1st generation don't even bother to learn the language.
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 11:31:10 GMT
Stokie100 I DO NOT think im better than other people who discriminate .When have I said that.? I think it is right not to though.Dont you.? Why would I be set upon by a gang of muslims, ?.I dont do them any harm so vice versa... I never bought my son into the argument on this thread.By the way she is black not coloured . I dont bow to anyone ever. Also I dont think the quotation is mine either. So far none out of ten fella. ;D I do agree though that there is good and bad in everyone and every race. OK ..I do not live in S-O-T any more but still know a fair few people black white and asian .How much trouble are the asians causing in the city ..? If any.? you dont have to cause any harm to people to be attacked. its my opinion so it aint wrong. my point is that your son is going out with a "black" girl and this is effecting your judgement. to be honest i aint been up hanley/stoke for ages so i cant say what trouble they are causing. i think you are stuck far in the past, the older muslims seem ok, apart from the women to be fair, many of whom are very disrespectful. its the younger generation who by all account are causing the problems Stokie mate i wish you would stop judging me fella.My opinion isnt swayed in the slightest by my son.The younger generation since man walked the earth have caused trouble from every race.
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 11:42:32 GMT
oh and by the way world peace wouldnt work. we are fighting the taliban because they are a racist army of outlaws who are responsable for training the 911 and 7/7 attackers??? Thats the answer what i expected.The taliban did NOT bomb the twin towers it was AL Qaeda.Totally different.The taliban were/are the government body of Afghanistan most of whom were in the mujahideen who with the backing of the USA and UK (who supplied them with weapons ) fought against the russians in the 70/80s.For years the taliban did dealings with the us on oil etc.Al Qaeda entered Afghanistan uninvited and at the time were certainly not wanted.They are a network of terrorists spread all around the world.Not just in Afghanistan.Defeating the Taliban(which will never ever happen ) will not solve in any way the threat of Al Qaeda. Dont get me wrong I do not in any way support Al Qaeda and the Taliban..But I can understand their anger towards the west and in particular the Uk and USA. I also equally do not support our governments obsession with Iraq and Afghanistan who by their involvement have made our life a target for these people and in turn have used this threat to push forward laws which threaten our freedom and abuse our human rights.
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Post by Nick1984 on Sept 14, 2009 11:53:46 GMT
As long as we need Saudi oil no amount of wars will fix these problems.
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 14, 2009 11:58:21 GMT
The Taliban (who are lunatic brutal scumbags, I'm not arguing with that) were the US's pretext for attempting to take control of the strategically vital territory of Afghanistan, which is currently murdering our British soldiers at the rate of several a week.
I can't think of anything that's got less to do with a couple of Asian minicab cartels in Stoke-on-Trent.
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Post by french toast on Sept 14, 2009 12:00:46 GMT
ok bosted what do you think of owd captain hooky and other muslim preachers like him????
i have never heard you speak out obout them, yet you do speak out against a legal political party!
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Post by onetruepotter on Sept 14, 2009 12:03:54 GMT
Yeah I stuck up for him a bit before gettin my head kicked in, they said somat like it aint my problem so I went n made it my problem didn't I this one sounds like there is another side to this story. that we need to hear Theres 2 sides to every story mate, the amount of storys I could tell ya about the runs ins i've had with cocky, arrogant, giving it the big I am taxi drivers is unreal and Ive NEVER and will NEVER let one of em get the better of me or get one over on me in any way shape or form, I wouldnt be able live with my self if I did, got be carefull what ya say on boards like this but I use Z cars every time, I'd rather support local lads any day of the week
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 14, 2009 12:07:25 GMT
ok bosted what do you think of owd captain hooky and other muslim preachers like him???? i have never heard you speak out obout them, yet you do speak out against a legal political party! I'll answer that one as a good liberal pissflapper. He ought to be interned, the only reason that's not happening is our government's fear of Mid-East country, look at the dirty deal Straw did over the Lockerbie bomber (who indeed SHOULD have been freed on humanitarian grounds but it was outrageously dodgy when it finally happened)
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Post by Nick1984 on Sept 14, 2009 12:09:24 GMT
I'll be the first to boycott oil when we get cheap hydrogen cars, much better solution than war and rioting!
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 12:09:48 GMT
ok bosted what do you think of owd captain hooky and other muslim preachers like him???? i have never heard you speak out obout them, yet you do speak out against a legal political party! I cannot remember his name also i cannot remember what he has actually done" tbh. I think any one who preaches violence is wrong no matter what colour or religion they are.But and this is a big but.We in this country like to believe that we have freedom of speech.So if thats the case they can say what they like .If what they say is then PROVEN to directly be responsible for murders or whatever you want to call it then they should be prosecuted .Its a fine line ..
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Post by french toast on Sept 14, 2009 12:11:41 GMT
ok bosted what do you think of owd captain hooky and other muslim preachers like him???? i have never heard you speak out obout them, yet you do speak out against a legal political party! I cannot remember his name also i cannot remember what he has actually done" tbh. I think any one who preaches violence is wrong no matter what colour or religion they are.But and this is a big but.We in this country like to believe that we have freedom of speech.So if thats the case they can say what they like .If what they say is then PROVEN to directly be responsible for murders or whatever you want to call it then they should be prosecuted .Its a fine line .. i assume that goes for the bnp as well then??? or any white racist to his mates etc,
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 12:13:33 GMT
Sal what exactly is a Liberal pissflapper.
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 12:17:21 GMT
I cannot remember his name also i cannot remember what he has actually done" tbh. I think any one who preaches violence is wrong no matter what colour or religion they are.But and this is a big but.We in this country like to believe that we have freedom of speech.So if thats the case they can say what they like .If what they say is then PROVEN to directly be responsible for murders or whatever you want to call it then they should be prosecuted .Its a fine line .. i assume that goes for the bnp as well then??? or any white racist to his mates etc, Yes it does .But as i said if it leads to proven violence then they should pay the consequences.But also they (bnp) because they claim to be a political party have to follow certain euro laws which they do not.Hence the law suit against them at the moment. But the bnps country is not under occupancy and it does spread hate and violence.It all boils down to governments and politics . Anarchy ,peace and freedom. People dont start wars governments do. People just pay with their lives .While they continue to drink their G n Ts
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 14, 2009 12:22:32 GMT
Sal what exactly is a Liberal pissflapper. Someone accused RJB and me of liberal pissflappery last year and we decided it was such a great phrase we'd embrace it (despite one of us being better equipped for it biologically than the other). Being non-hierarchical all members are first equal so please join up!
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 12:24:44 GMT
Sal what exactly is a Liberal pissflapper. Someone accused RJB and me of liberal pissflappery last year and we decided it was such a great phrase we'd embrace it (despite one of us being better equipped for it biologically than the other). Being non-hierarchical all members are first equal so please join up! So I must be a liberal Cockflapper then. ;D ooo errr
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Post by myleftboot on Sept 14, 2009 12:43:57 GMT
"liberal pissflappers" ;D Sal I thought you were a lady
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Post by buxtop on Sept 14, 2009 17:15:13 GMT
When most Brits travel to muslim countries we respect there religion, we don't drink, women cover up etc etc, I don't see the same from muslims visiting our country. Some qunts on this board won't be satisfied until we are all walking around in turbins and praying in a mosque.
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Post by french toast on Sept 14, 2009 17:18:39 GMT
When most Brits travel to muslim countries we respect there religion, we don't drink, women cover up etc etc, I don't see the same from muslims visiting our country. Some qunts on this board won't be satisfied until we are all walking around in turbins and praying in a mosque. damage is already done mate, in primary schools they already have muslim festivals, where kids all dress up as muslims etc.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 14, 2009 17:45:52 GMT
beardy, i see your point but dont generaly agree with it. if you go up the shahs on dalelands some of them are the most miserable fuckers on earth but the other half are generally cheerful and give service with a smile same the world over I do go in the Shah's up Dalelands mate ;D Funnily enough i've only needed to go in there and spend about £30 every Fiday for the last 2 years and i've finally just got to the stage where they all speak to me like a human being now and we all get on pretty well. I think Polly has helped a great deal with it all though. ;D I am aware that judging the whole of Pakistan based on a couple of shopkeepers from Market Drayton is very harsh. Like i said above though mate, 12 years in Bilston is where i have most of my experience from and if you've ever been to Bilston you'll know that is a LOT of experience. ;D People do seem to lump all Asians in together but as i said above i "generally" find Indians are much more friendly people. dave of dave's garden fame and the manager of the jai pur are great always get extras and a service with a smile as soon as i walk in the jai pur he pours me a cobra
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 14, 2009 17:54:05 GMT
Salop, when do you head off to Afghanistan, can't be long now?
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Post by Beardy200 on Sept 14, 2009 17:59:29 GMT
I do go in the Shah's up Dalelands mate ;D Funnily enough i've only needed to go in there and spend about £30 every Fiday for the last 2 years and i've finally just got to the stage where they all speak to me like a human being now and we all get on pretty well. I think Polly has helped a great deal with it all though. ;D I am aware that judging the whole of Pakistan based on a couple of shopkeepers from Market Drayton is very harsh. Like i said above though mate, 12 years in Bilston is where i have most of my experience from and if you've ever been to Bilston you'll know that is a LOT of experience. ;D People do seem to lump all Asians in together but as i said above i "generally" find Indians are much more friendly people. dave of dave's garden fame and the manager of the jai pur are great always get extras and a service with a smile as soon as i walk in the jai pur he pours me a cobra Dave is a legend mate ;D I have a curry about once every 6 months and yet he still knows me by my voice as soon as i phone up an order. Fuck knows how he does it! ;D
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Post by mistersausage on Sept 14, 2009 18:41:25 GMT
I decided it was about time someone tried talking about this in a thread that wasn't entitled 'BNP, dontcha love/hate them?'... and I've just been thinking anyway. I'll probably horrify a few fellow liberal pissflappers but I'm not particularly pro-Islamic either, or rather while I don't have any problem with individuals it worries me politically. Everyone's got the right to follow a personal faith and gather to worship with other Christians/Muslims/Jews or whatever, that's one of the best things Britain's built on even in this relatively secular age. As I understand Islam, in many ways it's still a Medieval religion, full of prohibitions and limitations (especially for women) - it would be crude to say it's like the Christianity of the Crusades but in Western terms it does seem to belong to the past sometimes. That's not to say we're right about everything in the West, we're not, spiritually/pyschologically we're pretty fucked up in some ways and we're certainly a greedy materialistic culture and that does massive damage. All the same I believe in freedom of worship once someone's a British citizen. So why are we so afraid of it, why do we make scapegoats of Muslims in ways we don't generally do anymore about people who are black, Jewish or Irish for example? It's not that there's any serious threat of Muslims wanting to take over Europe, anymore than the Jews were plotting to take over the world in the 1920s/30s, you'd have to be incredibly naive to believe that. But Muslim extremists fighting back and some want to attack us, because the West, especially the US with the Brits licking their boots, have been trying to control the economies and political structures of asset-rich Muslim countries certainly since the end of World War 2 and in the UK's case for 200+ years before that. But wouldn't some of us be doing/feeling the same if the boot was on the other foot? The fact that countries governed by religious belief, like Iran or more dodgily Pakistan, seem very alien to the West, can't help our attitude. That way of thinking makes me hostile, I hate and mistrust any totalitarian government, especially one based on religious belief (in which I'd include Fascism and Stalinist Marxism), and I reckon that's a pretty general response among Western Europeans. So I'm back to the same question really. Like it or not S-o-T is (in my experience, and judging from election results etc) one of the more racist areas in the UK, the mood is certainly anti-Muslim from many people right now and it's getting worse not better. We've got a very small Muslim population in the area, less than 5%, we've never had a terrorist incident and race riots are minor and occasional. So why is this such a big deal, in North Staffs of all places? "Less than 5%" .... They certainly get heard ... Those 5% don't they? The authorities are all ears for that 5% Shame those same ears become deaf when we voice our fears. I suppose you could call it 'audiological positive discrimination'
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Post by salopstick on Sept 14, 2009 18:43:23 GMT
Salop, when do you head off to Afghanistan, can't be long now? down to go october 2010, mrs goes back to work november so will there herself from then
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 14, 2009 19:16:59 GMT
"Less than 5%" .... They certainly get heard ... Those 5% don't they? The authorities are all ears for that 5% Shame those same ears become deaf when we voice our fears. I suppose you could call it 'audiological positive discrimination' I agree with you and it doesn't do either side any favours, I've yet to meet anyone from a minority who doesn't feel patronised by positive discrimination. I think one reason it's a bigger issue here than other similar areas is our spectacularly crap City Council, if we'd had credible leadership over the past few years I don't believe there'd be so much resentment.
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 14, 2009 19:24:26 GMT
But, there's another issue about positive discrimination. It's supposed to level the playing field and give groups who are theoretically disadvantaged fairer chances (take me for example - I'm a woman, I had better maternity leave and less discrimination in my career than I'd have faced a generation ago - and I'm now a disabled woman and I can simply get around the world a lot better than I would have a few years ago because of ramps, accessible loos etc and in theory at least I'm at less disadvantage going for jobs - but public money's been spent on all those things and you might argue it would have been better spent improving sink estates or creating jobs).
The people who are protesting about life being too easy for immigrants (though I hope not for women in wheelchairs) are often, not always, ones who haven't taken their own chances with education for example, so they're more vulnerable in terms of jobs and housing than people who did choose to take those chances. I'm not saying any of that's right or wrong but I reckon it's fact and is one of the reasons BNP support is consistently highest in areas of low educational attainment, which has always been somewhere S-o-T's been near the bottom of the pile. (Which has got nothing to with intelligence.)
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Sept 14, 2009 19:45:28 GMT
When most Brits travel to muslim countries we respect there religion, we don't drink, women cover up etc etc, I don't see the same from muslims visiting our country. Some qunts on this board won't be satisfied until we are all walking around in turbins and praying in a mosque. Evening Agent P. and all posters. I've read every page to your post P and I must ask. Why was this thread started, it just causes anger between ourselves .All of us have our own opinion about islam and you all should by now know mine and each one should respect each others opinion. islam is a shite religion based hatred of Infidels all Infidels, be a Jew a Sikh Buddhist or Christian and Hindu Full stop their shite book says all this. It is not Racist to be anti-islamic like my good self. So goodnight and God bless >:(Bondy PS agent P, muslims don't wear turbans only Sikhs. muslim wear a ragged scarf on their head.
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 14, 2009 19:50:31 GMT
Some qunts on this board won't be satisfied until we are all walking around in turbins and praying in a mosque. Evening Agent P. and all posters. I've read every page to your post P and I must ask. Why was this thread started, it just causes anger between ourselves .All of us have our own opinion about islam and you all should by now know mine and each one should respect each others opinion. islam is a shite religion based hatred of Infidels all Infidels, be a Jew a Sikh Buddhist or Christian and Hindu Full stop their shite book says all this. It is not Racist to be anti-islamic like my good self. So goodnight and God bless >:(Bondy PS agent P, muslims don't wear turbans only Sikhs. muslim wear a ragged scarf on their head. I started because I was genuinely interested, and I reckon some good thoughtful things have been said. There's no agenda apart from that, truly. (And I'm not wearing a turban either ) Bondy, how's your walking hun?
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Post by bondygodfatherleek on Sept 14, 2009 20:09:35 GMT
Evening Agent P. and all posters. I've read every page to your post P and I must ask. Why was this thread started, it just causes anger between ourselves .All of us have our own opinion about islam and you all should by now know mine and each one should respect each others opinion. islam is a shite religion based hatred of Infidels all Infidels, be a Jew a Sikh Buddhist or Christian and Hindu Full stop their shite book says all this. It is not Racist to be anti-islamic like my good self. So goodnight and God bless >:(Bondy PS agent P, muslims don't wear turbans only Sikhs. muslim wear a ragged scarf on their head. I started because I was genuinely interested, and I reckon some good thoughtful things have been said. There's no agenda apart from that, truly. (And I'm not wearing a turban either ) Bondy, how's your walking hun? Firstly sal, I'm a bit suprised you started this type of thread when it really brings out the worst in people including me. I must say by the second page my Axe would have been mentioned. But no I decided lifes too short to keep arqueing with posters that are probely great when you know them . But this islam thing will go on and on. anyway rant over Walking , sound I've been for my third and longest walk today. I went to see if ma's GP will take me on, and it looks promising. I went from our house to the bus stop and stood in the bus to town quite pleased managed to get to fountain st and then after form filling went up derby st like a fool to get a memory card for my camera, so I can concentrate on more postive posts like mine and everybodies Stoke City memorabia. Got back to the bus station dead sore by now and home. Going to try in an hour to go to sleep without the aid of my sleeping pills I'm that shattered'. I also found out one of my old friends has took over a pub Hare and gate, which is'nt to far to walk and I aim to go and have a coke and a good old chat. ;D 8-)Bondy Que sara sara ;D Now Good night and all of you Chill, I know I am. ;D
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Post by Nick1984 on Sept 14, 2009 20:35:25 GMT
The people who are protesting about life being too easy for immigrants (though I hope not for women in wheelchairs) are often, not always, ones who haven't taken their own chances with education for example, so they're more vulnerable in terms of jobs and housing than people who did choose to take those chances. I'm not saying any of that's right or wrong but I reckon it's fact and is one of the reasons BNP support is consistently highest in areas of low educational attainment, which has always been somewhere S-o-T's been near the bottom of the pile. (Which has got nothing to with intelligence.) You pretty much summed up what I wouldn't have the guts to say on here... easier for you to say it cause you're a woman, wouldn't get stick for it, so easy ;D
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