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Post by bostedclog on Sept 13, 2009 23:48:29 GMT
What nights are you playing then..? Sundays mate..
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Post by Beardy200 on Sept 13, 2009 23:49:31 GMT
Beardy....Not racist...Probably just unlucky.... So am I ...you should see what I married.When she gets out of bed it looks like a solar eclipse. Her middle name is painfull... ;D So as far as you pair are concerned all races, religions and country's people are all EXACTLY EQUAL IN EVERY WAY as far as their personalities are concerned? Don't forget this one please boys. It's important ;D
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 13, 2009 23:51:19 GMT
Tell ya what fella what about the chinese in this country they dont integrate at all with our society .But do you hear people slagging them off for it no you dont . I wonder why.? ... because they cook fcuking good food and you don't get "extremist chinese" commiting or attempting mass atrocities on innocent western citzens maybe? So its ok to be miserable, kill your own people ,totally disregard human rights ,dont integrate with the people of your choice of residence .So long as you "pretend" to like us and dont bomb us you are ok in my book. ;D ;D
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Post by mumf14 on Sept 13, 2009 23:54:16 GMT
Bosted....The Wellington Pub and the Waterloo Pub has many connections with The Potteries historically. The Bargees used to use it when they came to Runcorn with their pottery ready for shipment abroad. They used to come up through Sandbach,Middlewich,Northwich on the Trent And Misery...
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Post by Beardy200 on Sept 13, 2009 23:55:33 GMT
... because they cook fcuking good food and you don't get "extremist chinese" commiting or attempting mass atrocities on innocent western citzens maybe? .So long as you "pretend" to like us and dont bomb us you are ok in my book. ;D ;D Sounds a bit presumptious and racist going by your rule book. Now answer my bloody question above ;D
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 13, 2009 23:58:26 GMT
I decided it was about time someone tried talking about this in a thread that wasn't entitled 'BNP, dontcha love/hate them?'... and I've just been thinking anyway. I'll probably horrify a few fellow liberal pissflappers but I'm not particularly pro-Islamic either, or rather while I don't have any problem with individuals it worries me politically. Everyone's got the right to follow a personal faith and gather to worship with other Christians/Muslims/Jews or whatever, that's one of the best things Britain's built on even in this relatively secular age. As I understand Islam, in many ways it's still a Medieval religion, full of prohibitions and limitations (especially for women) - it would be crude to say it's like the Christianity of the Crusades but in Western terms it does seem to belong to the past sometimes. That's not to say we're right about everything in the West, we're not, spiritually/pyschologically we're pretty fucked up in some ways and we're certainly a greedy materialistic culture and that does massive damage. All the same I believe in freedom of worship once someone's a British citizen. So why are we so afraid of it, why do we make scapegoats of Muslims in ways we don't generally do anymore about people who are black, Jewish or Irish for example? It's not that there's any serious threat of Muslims wanting to take over Europe, anymore than the Jews were plotting to take over the world in the 1920s/30s, you'd have to be incredibly naive to believe that. But Muslim extremists fighting back and some want to attack us, because the West, especially the US with the Brits licking their boots, have been trying to control the economies and political structures of asset-rich Muslim countries certainly since the end of World War 2 and in the UK's case for 200+ years before that. But wouldn't some of us be doing/feeling the same if the boot was on the other foot? The fact that countries governed by religious belief, like Iran or more dodgily Pakistan, seem very alien to the West, can't help our attitude. That way of thinking makes me hostile, I hate and mistrust any totalitarian government, especially one based on religious belief (in which I'd include Fascism and Stalinist Marxism), and I reckon that's a pretty general response among Western Europeans. So I'm back to the same question really. Like it or not S-o-T is (in my experience, and judging from election results etc) one of the more racist areas in the UK, the mood is certainly anti-Muslim from many people right now and it's getting worse not better. We've got a very small Muslim population in the area, less than 5%, we've never had a terrorist incident and race riots are minor and occasional. So why is this such a big deal, in North Staffs of all places? The first paragraph could be describing Catholocism and most other religions/religious denominations imo. 2nd paragraph-they're an easy target, Jews are untouchable, black people can hit back, so lets pick on the small Asian folk! 3rd paragraph-Racism pure and simple imo. That said I still like Islam but it scares me as much/little as every other religion in the world.
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Post by jonesinamillion on Sept 14, 2009 0:00:36 GMT
... because they cook fcuking good food and you don't get "extremist chinese" commiting or attempting mass atrocities on innocent western citzens maybe? So its ok to be miserable, kill your own people ,totally disregard human rights ,dont integrate with the people of your choice of residence .So long as you "pretend" to like us and dont bomb us you are ok in my book. ;D ;D Bosted, it's quite clear i could never win a "race agrgument" against your learned self; however i feel that over the last decade the biggest security threats, (half) the factor of racial tensions and an oposition of western culture and beliefs has never come from the chinese on our shores. Their human rights record is probalby only worstened by ours during the accumilation of the commonwealth, but my god i love chinese food!
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 0:01:19 GMT
.So long as you "pretend" to like us and dont bomb us you are ok in my book. ;D ;D Sounds a bit presumptious and racist going by your rule book. Now answer my bloody question above ;D Beardy i can honestly say that if I have to talk to anyone from whatever country race or religion they are .I always disregard any preconceptions about there appearance..I was a punk when i was younger and i got into fights etc and people judged me for the way i looked. I hated it but i would not change the way i was just so i would be accepted into society Society rejected me I didnt reject society.. Why should asians be like us. Its pathetic imo..
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Post by mumf14 on Sept 14, 2009 0:02:57 GMT
Why do these Asian women allow their men and their religion to dominate their existence by wearing such ridiculous clothing covering their whole body from head to toe.
If I did that I would either get arrested or sectioned...!
Utter madness.!
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 0:04:25 GMT
So its ok to be miserable, kill your own people ,totally disregard human rights ,dont integrate with the people of your choice of residence .So long as you "pretend" to like us and dont bomb us you are ok in my book. ;D ;D Bosted, it's quite clear i could never win a "race agrgument" against your learned self; however i feel that over the last decade the biggest security threats, (half) the factor of racial tensions and an oposition of western culture and beliefs has never come from the chinese on our shores. Their human rights record is probalby only worstened by ours during the accumilation of the commonwealth, but my god i love chinese food! Why say ??? "against your learned self;" No need to be patronising mate.. I stand by my first post on this thread .The argument on here is pointless.
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Post by Beardy200 on Sept 14, 2009 0:06:38 GMT
Sounds a bit presumptious and racist going by your rule book. Now answer my bloody question above ;D Beardy i can honestly say that if I have to talk to anyone from whatever country race or religion they are .I always disregard any preconceptions about there appearance..I was a punk when i was younger and i got into fights etc and people judged me for the way i looked. I hated it but i would not change the way i was just so i would be accepted into society Society rejected me I didnt reject society.. Why should asians be like us. Its pathetic imo.. That my friend is my EXACT point. I also disregard any preconceptions with any new individual i meet which is why me and you are never in a million years racist as that is what racism is. HOWEVER can you admit that there are any preconceptions is the question? If there are any, you have them based on your own experience and knowledge. With mine Pakistanis and Scots don't do particularly well.
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Post by jonesinamillion on Sept 14, 2009 0:08:13 GMT
Not being patronising bosted, from your previous posts on these matters you're obviously very well informed, more than most - i'm simply offering my opinion.
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 0:14:00 GMT
Why do these Asian women allow their men and their religion to dominate their existence by wearing such ridiculous clothing covering their whole body from head to toe. If I did that I would either get arrested or sectioned...! Utter madness.! Ask them Mumf .. I was in Longsight the other week to get a curry for the family.It is one i use all the time and it is a very religious establishment.. There were a few families waiting to eat as it was ramadan.Even though food was on the table they would not eat or drink anything until it was dark.Im asked a family as I had to wait as well for my food why they were fasting..Their reply was to clense their body and to understand how poor people felt .I honestly told them that i could understand the cleansing part but i felt the understanding the poor was insulting to the poor.I told them that they could never understand what it was like to never ever know where their next meal was coming from.Where as they knew that at night they could eat whatever they wanted that is where it fell totally down and it was wrong to pretend to understand.Alas it didnt go down well but not in a nasty way. They told me their reason and i gave my reply. As soon a sit was time for them to eat everyone and i mean everyone offered the food on their table around to anyone who was waiting for food including myself.It was a superb feeling and quite surreal. I also told the girl who was a student to read George Orwells Down and out in Paris and London en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_Paris_and_London
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2009 0:16:42 GMT
I quite like Jocks as individuals, as a nation they can get fooked but never met a cuntish one yet! Same with Scousers hate them as the Scouse nation, whining arseholes who are never wrong but the Scousers I've ever met seem sound and have always been a good laugh. Strange! ;D
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Post by jonesinamillion on Sept 14, 2009 0:21:50 GMT
A few of the great qualities of the muslim religion - dedication, self control and generosity; if more people could see this then maybe the relationship between white british and british muslims wouldn't be so "strained". As i say, no attempt for the maority of british muslimsto integrate and lack of education / ignorance / intollerance on our part!
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Post by mumf14 on Sept 14, 2009 0:23:12 GMT
Scousers are to this country what the Grey Squirrel is to the Red....Vermin.
You can always tell a scouser in a crowd...It's the one with it's gob open.
'Trusted scousers' are usually scousers in the legal profession...Lawyers.
Paid liars...Ask Steve Gerrard.
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Post by Beardy200 on Sept 14, 2009 0:27:14 GMT
Scousers are to this country what the Grey Squirrel is to the Red....Vermin. You can always tell a scouser in a crowd...It's the one with it's gob open. 'Trusted scousers' are usually scousers in the legal profession...Lawyers. Paid liars...Ask Steve Gerrard. You've no doubt just been unlucky
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2009 0:29:05 GMT
Scousers individually are sound, stick 'em in a group and they're cunts. Much like most people!
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 0:31:58 GMT
Good night . ;D Good funny posts tonight.Cool. Beardy sos for calling ya a liar.
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Post by Beardy200 on Sept 14, 2009 0:36:41 GMT
Good night . ;D Good funny posts tonight.Cool. Beardy sos for calling ya a liar. ;D Not a problem, i rolls with the punches me I'm off aswell, night
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Post by french toast on Sept 14, 2009 0:55:36 GMT
bosted old boy. i am afraid your the person on this board who will not change his views however strong the debate is and yet you somehow think your better than us because you dont discriminate???
aload of bollocks, take it you have never been set up on by a gang of muslims, (and the majority of them carry weapons, as do most youths of today i imagine) im with beardy on this one, i will give everyone an equal opportunity to be polite, manners cost nothing after all.
just because your son is going out with a coloured girl doesnt mean you have to be all p.c and standing up for the minorities all the time, im pretty sure that one of your quotes was, POSITIVE DISCRIMINATION IS AS BAD AS NEGATIVE. This is exacly what your doing is it not??
there is good and bad in all races, like i have said plenty of times before but in your world just because someone is a different colour to us you stick them on a throne and bow down to them, just my tupence worth!!!
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Post by MUZZPERTH on Sept 14, 2009 5:43:00 GMT
one thing i need to ask....
do asian people run the taxi companies in SOT? everytime i've got a taxi, it's been driven by asians.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Sept 14, 2009 7:08:01 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Sept 14, 2009 7:24:32 GMT
beardy, i see your point but dont generaly agree with it.
if you go up the shahs on dalelands some of them are the most miserable fuckers on earth but the other half are generally cheerful and give service with a smile
same the world over
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Post by scfcrmagic on Sept 14, 2009 7:48:14 GMT
I find Indians "IN GENERAL" much more friendly people. Am i racist? In my limited experience you're right on the money there beardy! And yes, you're racist... by casting an opinion on a person based on where they come from / religion; In this sense I'm a firm believer that 99.9% of us also are. Example, gypsies move into the bottom of your street, suddeny find yourself locking the doors more often? In agreement with both of you there...although I think Sikhs are ok have dealt with them in business and never had a problem
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Post by Beardy200 on Sept 14, 2009 9:56:39 GMT
beardy, i see your point but dont generaly agree with it. if you go up the shahs on dalelands some of them are the most miserable fuckers on earth but the other half are generally cheerful and give service with a smile same the world over I do go in the Shah's up Dalelands mate ;D Funnily enough i've only needed to go in there and spend about £30 every Fiday for the last 2 years and i've finally just got to the stage where they all speak to me like a human being now and we all get on pretty well. I think Polly has helped a great deal with it all though. ;D I am aware that judging the whole of Pakistan based on a couple of shopkeepers from Market Drayton is very harsh. Like i said above though mate, 12 years in Bilston is where i have most of my experience from and if you've ever been to Bilston you'll know that is a LOT of experience. ;D People do seem to lump all Asians in together but as i said above i "generally" find Indians are much more friendly people.
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 10:06:58 GMT
bosted old boy. i am afraid your the person on this board who will not change his views however strong the debate is and yet you somehow think your better than us because you dont discriminate??? aload of bollocks, take it you have never been set up on by a gang of muslims, (and the majority of them carry weapons, as do most youths of today i imagine) im with beardy on this one, i will give everyone an equal opportunity to be polite, manners cost nothing after all. just because your son is going out with a coloured girl doesnt mean you have to be all p.c and standing up for the minorities all the time, im pretty sure that one of your quotes was, POSITIVE DISCRIMINATION IS AS BAD AS NEGATIVE. This is exacly what your doing is it not?? there is good and bad in all races, like i have said plenty of times before but in your world just because someone is a different colour to us you stick them on a throne and bow down to them, just my tupence worth!!! Stokie100 I DO NOT think im better than other people who discriminate .When have I said that.? I think it is right not to though.Dont you.? Why would I be set upon by a gang of muslims, ?.I dont do them any harm so vice versa... I never bought my son into the argument on this thread.By the way she is black not coloured . I dont bow to anyone ever. Also I dont think the quotation is mine either. So far none out of ten fella. ;D I do agree though that there is good and bad in everyone and every race. OK ..I do not live in S-O-T any more but still know a fair few people black white and asian .How much trouble are the asians causing in the city ..? If any.?
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 10:08:35 GMT
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter .
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Post by bostedclog on Sept 14, 2009 10:09:36 GMT
Ok another one ... Why are we fighting the Taliban..?
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Post by french toast on Sept 14, 2009 10:26:54 GMT
bosted old boy. i am afraid your the person on this board who will not change his views however strong the debate is and yet you somehow think your better than us because you dont discriminate??? aload of bollocks, take it you have never been set up on by a gang of muslims, (and the majority of them carry weapons, as do most youths of today i imagine) im with beardy on this one, i will give everyone an equal opportunity to be polite, manners cost nothing after all. just because your son is going out with a coloured girl doesnt mean you have to be all p.c and standing up for the minorities all the time, im pretty sure that one of your quotes was, POSITIVE DISCRIMINATION IS AS BAD AS NEGATIVE. This is exacly what your doing is it not?? there is good and bad in all races, like i have said plenty of times before but in your world just because someone is a different colour to us you stick them on a throne and bow down to them, just my tupence worth!!! Stokie100 I DO NOT think im better than other people who discriminate .When have I said that.? I think it is right not to though.Dont you.? Why would I be set upon by a gang of muslims, ?.I dont do them any harm so vice versa... I never bought my son into the argument on this thread.By the way she is black not coloured . I dont bow to anyone ever. Also I dont think the quotation is mine either. So far none out of ten fella. ;D I do agree though that there is good and bad in everyone and every race. OK ..I do not live in S-O-T any more but still know a fair few people black white and asian .How much trouble are the asians causing in the city ..? If any.? you dont have to cause any harm to people to be attacked. its my opinion so it aint wrong. my point is that your son is going out with a "black" girl and this is effecting your judgement. to be honest i aint been up hanley/stoke for ages so i cant say what trouble they are causing. i think you are stuck far in the past, the older muslims seem ok, apart from the women to be fair, many of whom are very disrespectful. its the younger generation who by all account are causing the problems
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