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Post by Northy on Dec 15, 2013 9:04:04 GMT
Happy days in the Boothen paddock. Nice pic of you there Pep. Isn't the big lad in the black jacket and blue shirt the one who used to hang around with Nutter. Bear? Nutter from talke Pits who moved to Torquay, and do you mean fozzy bear from the plough pub in Kidsgrove or is it another bear ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 9:34:04 GMT
A bigger version of the pic in my sig. Including the other photo (of Barker) from the Sentinel that night (which shows the really bad fencing we ended up with)
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Post by mozzer on Dec 15, 2013 11:56:28 GMT
What a handsome and oh so much thinner bunch we all were in those days Mozz! Mint pic Son. Disappointed you're not wearing the Monk's Coat on that one though Wasn't that taken the day of the last game at the Vic v WBA? It was indeed the last match at the Vic against West Brom, Phila Crawley took the picture off the running track.....today your honour it would be a £400 fine dont you know, cant believe how young every one looks. A few have asked if that was Nutters mates and yes it was, Zacker and big Stan. There are a few regular Oatckake posters in the pic but I will leave it to them to identify themselves if they so wish. The good old days eh, lots of beer, lots of mischief but more importantly lots of good memories. The linesmen hated that paddock until they realised we knew who was offside and who was on side better than them.
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Post by gonk on Dec 15, 2013 14:05:39 GMT
I can remember Dave [check shirt to right] from the Bothern and away days.
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Post by Sparkiee on Dec 15, 2013 14:15:46 GMT
We used to go in the Paddock right next to the tunnel (We would be on the left as the players ran out) Still see some familiar faces, animal etc - Happy days though! It was right behind the away 'dug out' which led to some interesting conversations with opposition players and management! "GET YER SEN UP COBRIDGE PLEATY YER DIRTY B******D!" Animal of Naughty Forty fame or the drummer from the Muppets?
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Post by davethebass on Dec 15, 2013 15:16:20 GMT
Standing on a beer crate in Boothen paddock peering over that painted white wall at knee height, didn't know what was going on but had fun making a right racket with a wooden rattle... Oh no, that's the sixties Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/223641/when-football-1970s#ixzz2nYZM8PzOThat's part of what I posted on another thread, then this thread got bumped Love coincidences. Or was it? Cheers boothenpaddock mate
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Post by davethebass on Dec 15, 2013 15:38:06 GMT
That was my first match. Many more to follow stood on that crate. With me red and white Bobble 'at and scarf. Was me making all the noise, fucking loved that rattle! Then my uncle started taking me in the boothen end...
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Post by lordb on Dec 15, 2013 15:51:21 GMT
Used to watch 1 half in the paddock & 1 half in the Boothen. I had a pass (used to sell programmes).
If you stood right at the front of the paddock it was pretty much at foot level.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 16:02:29 GMT
Standing on a beer crate in Boothen paddock peering over that painted white wall at knee height, didn't know what was going on but had fun making a right racket with a wooden rattle... Oh no, that's the sixties Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/223641/when-football-1970s#ixzz2nYZM8PzOThat's part of what I posted on another thread, then this thread got bumped Love coincidences. Or was it? Cheers boothenpaddock mate We were much naughtier in the 70s So naughty they built a little red metal fence to go on top of the white wall. Climbing the wall was much easier with the fence to hang on to. (and they were sooooooo naughty in the 80s they built a Military Grade Steel Wall, with razor wire, machine guns and stuff (behind the little red fence ...) And you are right, lordb ... you were standing a fair few feet below the pitch, in the trench (hence dave's milk crate ... many milk crates must have been used in that paddock, over the years )
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Post by davethebass on Dec 15, 2013 17:18:07 GMT
HaHa. Mine was a Davenports (that's the beer, full of cheer) crate. Me dad had beer deliveries
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Post by kevkj on Dec 15, 2013 17:23:55 GMT
Did my full Paddock badge in the 80s,both top and bottom paddocks,memories of Wolves,West Ham,Scouse,Brum and Huddersfield all having a pop.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 15, 2013 22:18:33 GMT
That was the beauty of the Paddock. The linesman used to get it big style. I remember getting a reaction out of Colin Lee (Chelsea) once. There was some white knuckle banter at that time
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Post by Gods on Dec 15, 2013 22:39:31 GMT
I recall 2 distinct iterations of the Paddock mob:
Version 1: About 30 fellas who stood in the Paddock adjacent to the Boothen End and did battle with Wolves, Spurs and Villa on a regular basis in full view of the law but prior to in stadia security cameras and usually egged on by chants of "Paddock, Paddock sort'em out" from the Boothen as the tea cups went flying.
Version 2: Several years later. Essentially the entirety of the mob who used to gather at the back of the the Boothen simply debunked to the Paddock this time mainly at the Stoke End side of the Paddock to be in close proximity of the away fans on the Stoke End. This was a major excursion, so much so that back of the Boothen actually looked empty on a match day, probably talking about 2000 or so evacuees at its height. This iteration was eventually unpicked by the police in the new control tower at the corner of the Stoke End and the Boothen Paddock having fans thrown out on a regular basis for goading the opposition fans.
I'm not wrong am I?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 22:47:08 GMT
I recall 2 distinct iterations of the Paddock mob: Version 1: About 30 fellas who stood in the Paddock adjacent to the Boothen End and did battle with Wolves, Spurs and Villa on a regular basis in full view of the law but prior to in stadia security cameras and usually egged on by chants of "Paddock, Paddock sort'em out" from the Boothen as the tea cups went flying. Version 2: Several years later. Essentially the entirety of the mob who used to gather at the back of the the Boothen simply debunked to the Paddock this time mainly at the Stoke End side of the Paddock to be in close proximity of the away fans on the Stoke End. This was a major excursion, so much so that back of the Boothen actually looked empty on a match day, probably talking about 2000 or so evacuees at its height. This iteration was eventually unpicked by the police in the new control tower at the corner of the Stoke End and the Boothen Paddock having fans thrown out on a regular basis for goading the opposition fans. I'm not wrong am I? Spot on
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Post by Gods on Dec 15, 2013 22:59:23 GMT
I recall 2 distinct iterations of the Paddock mob: Version 1: About 30 fellas who stood in the Paddock adjacent to the Boothen End and did battle with Wolves, Spurs and Villa on a regular basis in full view of the law but prior to in stadia security cameras and usually egged on by chants of "Paddock, Paddock sort'em out" from the Boothen as the tea cups went flying. Version 2: Several years later. Essentially the entirety of the mob who used to gather at the back of the the Boothen simply debunked to the Paddock this time mainly at the Stoke End side of the Paddock to be in close proximity of the away fans on the Stoke End. This was a major excursion, so much so that back of the Boothen actually looked empty on a match day, probably talking about 2000 or so evacuees at its height. This iteration was eventually unpicked by the police in the new control tower at the corner of the Stoke End and the Boothen Paddock having fans thrown out on a regular basis for goading the opposition fans. I'm not wrong am I? Spot on Thank you Sir! It was just that everyone is discussing it like it were one happening when in fact it is ike comparing apples and pears!
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 16, 2013 0:11:33 GMT
Anyone on here involved when the railings collapsed at the front of the paddock after a surge? Early 90's I think.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 0:58:31 GMT
I recall 2 distinct iterations of the Paddock mob: Version 1: About 30 fellas who stood in the Paddock adjacent to the Boothen End and did battle with Wolves, Spurs and Villa on a regular basis in full view of the law but prior to in stadia security cameras and usually egged on by chants of "Paddock, Paddock sort'em out" from the Boothen as the tea cups went flying. Version 2: Several years later. Essentially the entirety of the mob who used to gather at the back of the the Boothen simply debunked to the Paddock this time mainly at the Stoke End side of the Paddock to be in close proximity of the away fans on the Stoke End. This was a major excursion, so much so that back of the Boothen actually looked empty on a match day, probably talking about 2000 or so evacuees at its height. This iteration was eventually unpicked by the police in the new control tower at the corner of the Stoke End and the Boothen Paddock having fans thrown out on a regular basis for goading the opposition fans. I'm not wrong am I? Yes, this is true. The first "invasion" wasn't really an invasion and was up by the Boothen. Our little corner of the world - by the tunnel - remained undisturbed (apart from final whistle, sometimes, when the opposite wall would be packed!). The second invasion was at some point early to mid 1980s. You can see the police control box in the insert picture below the big Sentinel picture I posted (just over Barker's shoulder). I am almost certain - bar another laughing at from Joe! - that the Sentinel photo is the last home game of 1981/82. I think the second - and you are right, quite large invasion from the Boothen Boys - happened either that season, or the one after (it happened before the holocaust, defo). The second invasion caused much muttering from (most of) the long-time regulars who stood on the "away side" of the paddock, especially when the tv-cameras also turned up and even more space was restricted. And when - as someone mentioned on this thread already - the camera gantry went permanent ... well it was a good job me dad had stopped going by then! ... Next season is the Holocaust 30th anniversary ... Is anyone else taking part in this thread feeling extremely old?
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Post by davethebass on Dec 16, 2013 8:35:40 GMT
Yep, I'm extremely old :l, but I was an exile by 82. What the fucks the holocaust? Please excuse my ignorance, and if its too upsetting to talk about that's ok
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 8:48:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 8:52:25 GMT
I was only 8 when we left The Victoria Ground so my recollection is faint and irrelevant, but it really sounds like the ground had lots of different microworlds that each had their own unique characteristics. It fascinates me and I can only hope modern grounds will take a step back towards that sort of thing if/when standing areas are reintroduced.
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Post by skelman on Dec 16, 2013 9:24:20 GMT
Started off in the family section of the Butler Street Stand Moved on to the Butler Street Paddock but couldn't see too well as it was full of giraffes & the risers on the terrace were only 2-3'' Climbed the cinder mound for a couple of seasons but shrunk in the rain So had to settle for the second 'drop' on the Boothen - 5*
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Post by nzstokie on Dec 16, 2013 9:36:48 GMT
Boothen Paddock. As a young lads we used to stand near a group of miners. The craic was fierce. What an education!
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Post by Gods on Dec 16, 2013 9:40:47 GMT
I recall 2 distinct iterations of the Paddock mob: Version 1: About 30 fellas who stood in the Paddock adjacent to the Boothen End and did battle with Wolves, Spurs and Villa on a regular basis in full view of the law but prior to in stadia security cameras and usually egged on by chants of "Paddock, Paddock sort'em out" from the Boothen as the tea cups went flying. Version 2: Several years later. Essentially the entirety of the mob who used to gather at the back of the the Boothen simply debunked to the Paddock this time mainly at the Stoke End side of the Paddock to be in close proximity of the away fans on the Stoke End. This was a major excursion, so much so that back of the Boothen actually looked empty on a match day, probably talking about 2000 or so evacuees at its height. This iteration was eventually unpicked by the police in the new control tower at the corner of the Stoke End and the Boothen Paddock having fans thrown out on a regular basis for goading the opposition fans. I'm not wrong am I? Yes, this is true. The first "invasion" wasn't really an invasion and was up by the Boothen. Our little corner of the world - by the tunnel - remained undisturbed (apart from final whistle, sometimes, when the opposite wall would be packed!). Indeed the first "invasion" located as it was at the Boothen End corner of the Paddock was more a defensive operation than anything else. Aimed at fending off Wolves, Spurs etc. as they tried on an annual basis to attack and goad the Boothen from that bottom corner. It was however a time when real people traded real punches on the terraces often over a prolonged period of time with little action taken by police. It might kick off several times over the course of an entire half of football, nothing was really done to stop it. The second "invasion" was an attacking movement as the entire back of the Boothen simply debunked to the Stoke end half of the paddock to wind up the away fans. While it was vast in scale it was low on any real action. Security systems (the control tower) had arrived by this time and it was more posturing in front of fences and lines of stewards. From memory it was around it's height at the time of the 6-2 and 7-2 wins against Leeds and the Coventry City FA Cup Quarter Final defeat. If the photo on this thread was really taken at the time of the last match at the Victoria Ground then even Wave 2 was a thing of the past by then.
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Post by davethebass on Dec 16, 2013 10:36:12 GMT
...sharp intake of breath...er, tta for the link (I think). Was going put a smiley but just can't. didn't know that was called the holocaust. 86/87 I resumed my stoke obsession (was so proud to see us top that div3 table)
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Dec 16, 2013 13:44:26 GMT
Yes, this is true. The first "invasion" wasn't really an invasion and was up by the Boothen. Our little corner of the world - by the tunnel - remained undisturbed (apart from final whistle, sometimes, when the opposite wall would be packed!). Indeed the first "invasion" located as it was at the Boothen End corner of the Paddock was more a defensive operation than anything else. Aimed at fending off Wolves, Spurs etc. as they tried on an annual basis to attack and goad the Boothen from that bottom corner. It was however a time when real people traded real punches on the terraces often over a prolonged period of time with little action taken by police. It might kick off several times over the course of an entire half of football, nothing was really done to stop it. The second "invasion" was an attacking movement as the entire back of the Boothen simply debunked to the Stoke end half of the paddock to wind up the away fans. While it was vast in scale it was low on any real action. Security systems (the control tower) had arrived by this time and it was more posturing in front of fences and lines of stewards. From memory it was around it's height at the time of the 6-2 and 7-2 wins against Leeds and the Coventry City FA Cup Quarter Final defeat. If the photo on this thread was really taken at the time of the last match at the Victoria Ground then even Wave 2 was a thing of the past by then. The first invasion, as you call it, was from around 74 or 75 to around 80- 81 ish and involved some of the older lads from Castle, Trent Vegas and Stafford. The second was from early Eighties through to late Eighties and initially involved a large number of young "apprentices". By the late Eighties, having finished their apprentiships, quite a few moved from the Stoke End - Boothen Paddock to the seats in the upper tier of the Stoke End. Some even chose to move over to the Stoke End - Butler Street Paddock. Only when the away following occupied the upper tier of the Stoke End would the Boothen Paddock be the terrace of choice for most of the chaps. The photo was taken at the last game at the Vic in the Boothen End side of the paddock, I know because I was there, as they say.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 16, 2013 14:57:32 GMT
Smashed out me head on poppers Shef Wed night match .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 14:58:55 GMT
One I remember very clearly can be described in two phrases. The first... "The Arsenal, The Arsenal" Followed by smiles and a roar of "The Paddock" Paddock, first time around
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Post by kevkj on Dec 16, 2013 15:07:54 GMT
Well for my memory we played Bristol City in a night game about 76 and they had a few in the Boothen Paddock up by the Boothen end.Shall we call it the top paddock. The next home game we had a few in their as protectors of the terrace,early 80s we spent a few seasons in their ourselves as young aprentices lol.Later moving on to the lower Boothen paddock. Away fans were moved about sometimes even having the Butler street paddock. On other occasions we used to go in the Stoke end seats alongside the away fans but buggered if i can remember what years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 7:40:07 GMT
Guernsey Dave-his helicopter is devilishly expensive to run in this day and age,what with the cost of fuel and everything. Though I'm sure from that mansion on high-he is looking down on us and smirking. Craig, The mansion has been relocated across the pond to just outside Vegas, The yacht is out of the water in a compound and the season ticket was given up. It was a lear jet not a helicopter Oh and GD was a cunt so he was rebranded TWD
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Post by spuddymagoo on Dec 17, 2013 9:36:31 GMT
The Boothen Paddock, I loved that place. Close to ALL the action, pitch eye level and always an air of expectation and risk. It's what football was all about back then. I didn't mix with most of the lads, the ones from Alsager knew me and we were on nodding terms, but I stayed out of the mither in the main...it wasn't my thing. Although sometimes you didn't have a choice! If I could go back in time to any point in my past I would choose the Vic in the 80's when I was earning my stripes. It makes life seem much more complicated now! www.flamingosky.com
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