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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 19, 2024 7:27:03 GMT
Football league clubs....Boycott the FA Cup. Wouldn’t that fall nicely into the laps of the mighty & righteous though? Less games and they don’t give a shit really about the congestion causing FA cup do they? Only the FA would show any concern because it will affect their coffers and prestige, but that can be silenced by a few brown envelopes through letterboxes. I’m now done with anything football except Stoke City FC & my local none league club Elburton Villa.
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 19, 2024 7:44:39 GMT
For every glamour replay for lower league clubs there must be countless replays that are unwanted and badly attended.
Why not allow the team from the lower league to decide where the game should be played? So if Altrincham draw Spurs they can decide to take the money and play at Tottenham or they can chance beating them by using home advantage.
The romance has gone anyway so why not just make it a purely financial decision?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 19, 2024 8:11:09 GMT
I’ve just seen a BBC advert for this weekends fa cup semi final that stated something along the lines of this “this competition is for all of us”.
They might need to rethink that.
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Post by blooter on Apr 19, 2024 8:49:58 GMT
I imagine any team from league 2 and below drawn at home to a big team will switch the fixture purely for financial reasons. If that does happen then the FA Cup is truly dead.
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Post by superjw on Apr 19, 2024 9:18:19 GMT
Passionate statement released from Tranmere on this, good from them for stepping up and saying something.
Making such a big change and not properly involving stakeholders is just insanity.
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Post by ravey123 on Apr 19, 2024 9:27:33 GMT
Football league clubs....Boycott the FA Cup. Wouldn’t that fall nicely into the laps of the mighty & righteous though? Less games and they don’t give a shit really about the congestion causing FA cup do they? Only the FA would show any concern because it will affect their coffers and prestige, but that can be silenced by a few brown envelopes through letterboxes. I’m now done with anything football except Stoke City FC & my local none league club Elburton Villa. Ive not watched any live football(tv or in person) apart from Stoke for almost 3 years now - all the financial and player cheating, pampering to the mighty 4 or 6 and changes to try to maintain the status quo have meant ive lost any interest in football apart from my team.
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Post by karl on Apr 19, 2024 11:08:55 GMT
Stoke doesn't need the money just hope that as part of this FFP is relaxed.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 19, 2024 11:24:51 GMT
Makes me laugh, lower clubs using the FA Cup to chase more money and then moaning about the bigger clubs chasing more money.
Clubs, at whatever level, couldn't give a monkey's about the integrity of the competition.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 19, 2024 11:38:08 GMT
Makes me laugh, lower clubs using the FA Cup to chase more money and then moaning about the bigger clubs chasing more money. Clubs, at whatever level, couldn't give a monkey's about the integrity of the competition. Isn't that quite a strange take on it though? The money from the FA Cup is totally different kettle of fish for the likes of Tranmere compared to the likes of Arsenal. It's a much bigger proportion of their incomes and it can be about survival which isn't the case for the big teams. The FA Cup is an established competition which has historically had this capacity for lower teams to earn much needed income. It's not just that though, it is the lack of consultation which shows total disrespect for clubs whose participation in the competition is as valid as any PL team. For example, why are PL clubs making decisions about replays in the 1st Round of the competition when they are not even involved at that stage? Yes, all clubs are fundamentally self interested, but that self interest takes on a very different nature in the lower levels of football.
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Post by werrington on Apr 19, 2024 11:38:23 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 19, 2024 12:04:54 GMT
Makes me laugh, lower clubs using the FA Cup to chase more money and then moaning about the bigger clubs chasing more money. Clubs, at whatever level, couldn't give a monkey's about the integrity of the competition. Isn't that quite a strange take on it? The money from the FA Cup is totally different kettle of fish for the likes of Tranmere compared to the likes of Arsenal. It's a much bigger proportion of their incomes and it can be about survival which isn't the case for the big teams. The FA Cup is an established competition which has historically had this capacity for lower teams to earn much needed income. It's not just that though, it is the lack of consultation which shows total disrespect for clubs whose participation in the competition is as valid as any PL team. For example, why are PL clubs making decisions about replays in the 1st Round of the competition when they are not even involved at that stage? Yes, all clubs are fundamentally self interested, but that self interest takes on a very different nature in the lower levels of football. Perhaps it is. If the FA announce tomorrow that prize money will increase in the early rounds funded by the Premier League teams the lower league clubs will soon pipe down. Nothing to do with replays.
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 19, 2024 12:12:15 GMT
How would FA Cup butchery work? Butchers get drawn against each other and have to strip carcasses with the final being at Smithfield market?
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 19, 2024 12:35:42 GMT
Isn't that quite a strange take on it? The money from the FA Cup is totally different kettle of fish for the likes of Tranmere compared to the likes of Arsenal. It's a much bigger proportion of their incomes and it can be about survival which isn't the case for the big teams. The FA Cup is an established competition which has historically had this capacity for lower teams to earn much needed income. It's not just that though, it is the lack of consultation which shows total disrespect for clubs whose participation in the competition is as valid as any PL team. For example, why are PL clubs making decisions about replays in the 1st Round of the competition when they are not even involved at that stage? Yes, all clubs are fundamentally self interested, but that self interest takes on a very different nature in the lower levels of football. Perhaps it is. If the FA announce tomorrow that prize money will increase in the early rounds funded by the Premier League teams the lower league clubs will soon pipe down. Nothing to do with replays. Well I assume they probably would, as that would go some way to resolving the issue!
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Post by Northy on Apr 19, 2024 14:34:59 GMT
Is Tony Scholes involved with this at all?
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Post by Northy on Apr 19, 2024 14:38:14 GMT
Glad to see all rounds back to weekends but the most straightforward way to reduce fixture congestion would be for Premier League clubs not to enter the League Cup. That would devalue it! They arent membrs of the football league these days are they? It would make it more interesting if none of the top 6 or those in European competition are in it
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 19, 2024 14:38:18 GMT
One of the reasons given for the changes relates to the 'well being of players', I guess they mean playing too many games...they could just ban PL teams from jetting off abroad to play every time there is a break...just a thought
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Post by phileetin on Apr 19, 2024 15:46:54 GMT
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 19, 2024 17:07:58 GMT
This quote from the imbecile at man citeh hits the nail firmly on the head….…"Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola agreed the changes are a "problem" for lower-division clubs, but said it was "much better" for teams playing in European competitions. I understand why clubs in lower divisions complain and it has been a tradition for many years, but with the schedule that we have playing in European competition and with many players going to the national team, it is much better," Guardiola said. There is clearly no understanding by foreign managers like him and Klipperty of the English FA Cup. I don’t think we’ve seen or heard the last of this.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 19, 2024 17:13:18 GMT
This quote from the imbecile at man citeh hits the nail firmly on the head….…"Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola agreed the changes are a "problem" for lower-division clubs, but said it was "much better" for teams playing in European competitions. I understand why clubs in lower divisions complain and it has been a tradition for many years, but with the schedule that we have playing in European competition and with many players going to the national team, it is much better," Guardiola said. There is clearly no understanding by foreign managers like him and Klipperty of the English FA Cup. I don’t think we’ve seen or heard the last of this. I would ask him why he can't play the players who don't even make his Premier squad of 25 in the FA Cup. I imagine he could make up a second team which is stronger than most EFL teams.
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 19, 2024 18:52:13 GMT
The FA (the tail) has been wagged by the dog that is The Prem. Scandalous, and the FA Cup should be boycotted by all teams below The Prem.
OS.
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Post by jebbstuart on Apr 19, 2024 19:16:36 GMT
The FA Cup has been dying for the last 15 years, its like Woolworths people moaned it was a good shop but did not shop there. The attendances are poor in many games because people just don't go anymore our 3rd round game attracted 17,032 against a Premier league side. Personally think its a good decision, a one off game decided on the day.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 19, 2024 19:48:43 GMT
This quote from the imbecile at man citeh hits the nail firmly on the head….…"Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola agreed the changes are a "problem" for lower-division clubs, but said it was "much better" for teams playing in European competitions. I understand why clubs in lower divisions complain and it has been a tradition for many years, but with the schedule that we have playing in European competition and with many players going to the national team, it is much better," Guardiola said. There is clearly no understanding by foreign managers like him and Klipperty of the English FA Cup. I don’t think we’ve seen or heard the last of this. This is an ignorant response. For a start why not use their huge squad? They have more than 2 teams available at any one time. Secondly why vote for no replays in rounds of the Cup that they are not involved in. Also he conveniently does not mention all the friendlies his club take part in which eat up players energy presumably. No respect for the tradition of the competition.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 19, 2024 20:23:36 GMT
Reckon the only way to sort this is get the FA Cup back to traditional Saturdays and replays.
But.. with the added incentive of a Champions League place for the winner.
Would UEFA allow that?
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Post by RF10 on Apr 19, 2024 22:02:56 GMT
It could be stopped easily if people wanted to. You saw the power fans had when it came it Super League. Can you imagine every football league club protesting at the same time across country, the decision would be reversed in a instant.
People just aren't bothered enough.
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Post by rambo61 on Apr 19, 2024 22:34:51 GMT
We should all boycott the fa cup. Its all about the top six. Replays can keep lower league clubs going for years!!
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 19, 2024 22:58:21 GMT
I've spent a lot of time on here in the past bigging up the FA Cup. I'd just like to throw in here that it's by far and away the most difficult tournament for any English football club because there's no seeding and no two-legged ties. You have to be on the top of your game in every single round
The League Cup is easy. Have the most money and the biggest squad of the best players. Man City have won it six times in the last ten years.
The Premier League is easy. Have the most money and the biggest squad of the best players. Man City have won it five times in the last ten years.
The Champions' League is easy. Have the most money and the biggest squad of the best players. The whole format is designed to make it a closed shop for certain elite teams. Over the past ten years, there have been forty possible semi-finalists but only 18 different teams who've competed at that stage. Real Madrid have been in the semis in eight out of the last ten years, Man City four out of the last ten, Bayern Munich five out of the last ten. Madrid have won half of those. It's easy and boring. Dozens of boring, processional games to arrive at the same foregone conclusion every time.
In contrast, the FA Cup is seriously difficult. Man City have made the semi-finals six times in the past ten years but have only been able to go on to win it twice. Chelsea have been there five times and have won it once. Only Arsenal have had anything like a consistent record in it (four Cup wins from four semi-final appearances) but they've been eclipsed in recent years. Meanwhile, Hull, Wigan, Reading, Villa, Everton, Southampton (twice!), Sheffield United (twice!), Wolves, Watford (twice!) and Brighton (twice!) have all had a serious tilt at it. No two legged ties to keep out the riff-raff. No second chances when you make a complete bodge against the minnows.
That's why it's the best tournament in English football and should be treated as such. Absolute priority on weekends, replays for drawn ties, the Cup Final on the last weekend of the season, the week after the European Cup final. I would give the second Champions' League spot to the FA Cup winner, with the third spot going to the second placed team in the league and the fourth to the third placed team. It would make football better.
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Post by insideright on Apr 19, 2024 23:27:58 GMT
True story!!
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 20, 2024 0:07:51 GMT
I've spent a lot of time on here in the past bigging up the FA Cup. I'd just like to throw in here that it's by far and away the most difficult tournament for any English football club because there's no seeding and no two-legged ties. You have to be on the top of your game in every single round The League Cup is easy. Have the most money and the biggest squad of the best players. Man City have won it six times in the last ten years. The Premier League is easy. Have the most money and the biggest squad of the best players. Man City have won it five times in the last ten years. The Champions' League is easy. Have the most money and the biggest squad of the best players. The whole format is designed to make it a closed shop for certain elite teams. Over the past ten years, there have been forty possible semi-finalists but only 18 different teams who've competed at that stage. Real Madrid have been in the semis in eight out of the last ten years, Man City four out of the last ten, Bayern Munich five out of the last ten. Madrid have won half of those. It's easy and boring. Dozens of boring, processional games to arrive at the same foregone conclusion every time. In contrast, the FA Cup is seriously difficult. Man City have made the semi-finals six times in the past ten years but have only been able to go on to win it twice. Chelsea have been there five times and have won it once. Only Arsenal have had anything like a consistent record in it (four Cup wins from four semi-final appearances) but they've been eclipsed in recent years. Meanwhile, Hull, Wigan, Reading, Villa, Everton, Southampton (twice!), Sheffield United (twice!), Wolves, Watford (twice!) and Brighton (twice!) have all had a serious tilt at it. No two legged ties to keep out the riff-raff. No second chances when you make a complete bodge against the minnows. That's why it's the best tournament in English football and should be treated as such. Absolute priority on weekends, replays for drawn ties, the Cup Final on the last weekend of the season, the week after the European Cup final. I would give the second Champions' League spot to the FA Cup winner, with the third spot going to the second placed team in the league and the fourth to the third placed team. It would make football better. Problem is...fans don't any more and crowds are often lower unless a big name in town then they all turn up. Even then you're not guaranteed to see the big names, far from it . FA Cup 3rd round day would be a bumper crowd, simply isn't any more I remember us playing Everton is the cup...huge crowd. The next week we played them again and an embarrassing crowd . Was it 6k odd? Am all for scrapping the replays to be honest and could make it more of a cup tie and maybe even favour the lesser clubs to get a result on the day. There isn't big money gate receipts unless a small club is drawn away to a huge club. The gate receipts are lower than league gates for many clubs as I think each team takes 47% so a 10 k home game equates to less than 5k in gate receipts. There is prize money and TV money also of course
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 20, 2024 0:14:10 GMT
I've spent a lot of time on here in the past bigging up the FA Cup. I'd just like to throw in here that it's by far and away the most difficult tournament for any English football club because there's no seeding and no two-legged ties. You have to be on the top of your game in every single round The League Cup is easy. Have the most money and the biggest squad of the best players. Man City have won it six times in the last ten years. The Premier League is easy. Have the most money and the biggest squad of the best players. Man City have won it five times in the last ten years. The Champions' League is easy. Have the most money and the biggest squad of the best players. The whole format is designed to make it a closed shop for certain elite teams. Over the past ten years, there have been forty possible semi-finalists but only 18 different teams who've competed at that stage. Real Madrid have been in the semis in eight out of the last ten years, Man City four out of the last ten, Bayern Munich five out of the last ten. Madrid have won half of those. It's easy and boring. Dozens of boring, processional games to arrive at the same foregone conclusion every time. In contrast, the FA Cup is seriously difficult. Man City have made the semi-finals six times in the past ten years but have only been able to go on to win it twice. Chelsea have been there five times and have won it once. Only Arsenal have had anything like a consistent record in it (four Cup wins from four semi-final appearances) but they've been eclipsed in recent years. Meanwhile, Hull, Wigan, Reading, Villa, Everton, Southampton (twice!), Sheffield United (twice!), Wolves, Watford (twice!) and Brighton (twice!) have all had a serious tilt at it. No two legged ties to keep out the riff-raff. No second chances when you make a complete bodge against the minnows. That's why it's the best tournament in English football and should be treated as such. Absolute priority on weekends, replays for drawn ties, the Cup Final on the last weekend of the season, the week after the European Cup final. I would give the second Champions' League spot to the FA Cup winner, with the third spot going to the second placed team in the league and the fourth to the third placed team. It would make football better. Problem is...fans don't any more and crowds are often lower unless a big name in town then they all turn up. Even then you're not guaranteed to see the big names, far from it . FA Cup 3rd round day would be a bumper crowd, simply isn't any more I remember us playing Everton is the cup...huge crowd. The next week we played them again and an embarrassing crowd . Was it 6k odd? Am all for scrapping the replays to be honest and could make it more of a cup tie and maybe even favour the lesser clubs to get a result on the day. There isn't big money gate receipts unless a small club is drawn away to a huge club. The gate receipts are lower than league gates for many clubs as I think each team takes 47% so a 10 k home game equates to less than 5k in gate receipts. There is prize money and TV money also of course Maybe it would make a difference if attending football matches in the modern age wasn't such an expensive hassle? The additional expense of cup games on top of a season ticket is enough to make you think twice unless you're at the business end of the tournament.
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Post by senojbor on Apr 20, 2024 0:18:12 GMT
They'll change their tune when lower league teams take them to extra time and beat them on penalties
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