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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 18, 2024 10:36:09 GMT
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Post by stoke1989 on Apr 18, 2024 10:50:35 GMT
I blame Klopp
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 18, 2024 10:53:28 GMT
<Rubs fingers and thumbs together>
Shame for the financials of the lower league clubs...
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 18, 2024 10:55:54 GMT
Newcastle and Spurs are flying to fucking AUSTRALIA at the end of the season to play a friendly but they can’t play fucking replays because of fixture congestion.
Honestly, it’s all so ridiculous that it’s almost laughable.
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Post by stoke1989 on Apr 18, 2024 10:58:24 GMT
10 years time, the final will probably be held in Riyadh
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Post by Veritas on Apr 18, 2024 10:59:27 GMT
Glad to see all rounds back to weekends but the most straightforward way to reduce fixture congestion would be for Premier League clubs not to enter the League Cup. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 18, 2024 11:02:22 GMT
I love how those in charge of English football proclaim to care about the football pyramid while at the same time scrapping important lifelines for smaller clubs.
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Post by Eggybread on Apr 18, 2024 11:06:57 GMT
Diabolical decision.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 18, 2024 11:09:30 GMT
We ould be easier just to call time on the reserve team, empty stadium, Carabao cup
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 18, 2024 11:16:44 GMT
This is disgraceful and a real kick in the balls of EFL clubs. Quote "The changes come as part of a new six-year agreement between the Football Association (FA) and the Premier League."…so what about EFL, don’t they have a say? The paltry extra £33m provided to grass roots football represents the salary of 2 or 3 top PL players, what about those EFL & lower league clubs that often get a financial lifeline from FA Cup replays, it’s fucking immoral. So Klipperty Klopp has his final swan song, now piss off to Saudi where nobody will take any notice of your crass stupidity you cretin.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 18, 2024 11:21:28 GMT
This. As I’ve said before, this brain dead idiot should go and join Wenger in his home for needy where they can walk together in the mornings around a lake and reminisce about how they’ve fucked up English football. That way they will not miss their afternoon knap. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 18, 2024 11:35:47 GMT
I absolutely appreciate and agree it sounds like another finger in the eye for the lower placed sides and more power to the PL clubs but, in reality, who gains what from replays and how many are there really that end up as money spinners for the lower ranked sides? Is it something that's probably died a death anyway? It feels like a lot of the time, upsets happen in the first game wherever it's played anyway.
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Post by pieofpeter on Apr 18, 2024 11:41:33 GMT
RIP the FA Cup
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Post by Glory Hunter on Apr 18, 2024 11:44:09 GMT
I absolutely appreciate and agree it sounds like another finger in the eye for the lower placed sides and more power to the PL clubs but, in reality, who gains what from replays and how many are there really that end up as money spinners for the lower ranked sides? Is it something that's probably died a death anyway? It feels like a lot of the time, upsets happen in the first game wherever it's played anyway. The point is that if a lower league team muscles out a draw against a prem team, they will benefit from either a sell of their own stadium or a lucrative away day (that their fans will also love). So its about ££ not the likelihood of an upset. |
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Post by milton58 on Apr 18, 2024 11:50:50 GMT
It's all to suite the top 4 basically
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 18, 2024 12:08:51 GMT
I absolutely appreciate and agree it sounds like another finger in the eye for the lower placed sides and more power to the PL clubs but, in reality, who gains what from replays and how many are there really that end up as money spinners for the lower ranked sides? Is it something that's probably died a death anyway? It feels like a lot of the time, upsets happen in the first game wherever it's played anyway. The point is that if a lower league team muscles out a draw against a prem team, they will benefit from either a sell of their own stadium or a lucrative away day (that their fans will also love). So its about ££ not the likelihood of an upset. No, I know that, but how often does it happen anyway? If that is the case, then I would suggest the way to make that fair is that it's played wherever the biggest financial gain is for the lower ranked side. Or, regardless of where it's played, they get all of the gate receipts and not just a share. |
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Post by eddyclamp on Apr 18, 2024 12:09:05 GMT
Funny how the FA cup gets clipped, but we have an increase in European games.
As normal, the powers that be don`t give a shit about the fans.
All about the project, the revenue , to all you that run football, just fuck off.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 18, 2024 12:11:12 GMT
I absolutely appreciate and agree it sounds like another finger in the eye for the lower placed sides and more power to the PL clubs but, in reality, who gains what from replays and how many are there really that end up as money spinners for the lower ranked sides? Is it something that's probably died a death anyway? It feels like a lot of the time, upsets happen in the first game wherever it's played anyway. Get what you’re saying but isn’t this all about PL teams fixture congestion? There are many ways to reduce this, we lose at least 3 weekends to pointless international friendlies that could be binned or clubs take the hit as they used to do or reducing the number of European Clubs entering competitions. Binning PL clubs out of the league cup is another way. But we all know that such ideas are futile and fall on PL deaf ears because it will reduce their income ….but hey fuck over 75% of the other English professional clubs. As for who gains from replays…well just ask Exeter City, Oxford Utd, Bristol City & Rovers and other EFL clubs who have gained from FA cup replays at PL venues. To agree this change without EFL input is as morally corrupt as the PL, so real surprise. |
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Post by barcaontrent on Apr 18, 2024 12:12:25 GMT
If lower league clubs are relying on a luck of the draw one off game for their finance that shows it is a rotten system. Replays don't make sense in modern football and the pyramid needs to find a more financial sustainable way of sustaining smaller sides than essentially gambling on a cup run. Forcing bigger sides to play away from home or share more of the gate receipt with lower league sides would be a start
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 18, 2024 12:13:59 GMT
I absolutely appreciate and agree it sounds like another finger in the eye for the lower placed sides and more power to the PL clubs but, in reality, who gains what from replays and how many are there really that end up as money spinners for the lower ranked sides? Is it something that's probably died a death anyway? It feels like a lot of the time, upsets happen in the first game wherever it's played anyway. Just 2 examples Newport earned £1m from their Spurs replay. Cambridge £1m from their replay with Man Utd The thing that has driven this is the increase in Champions League games which only applies to 4 clubs (but of course the most influential 4 clubs!) The clubs that have driven this will flying around the world earning millions playing in stupid friendlies right up until the start of the season.....and then complaining about too many games |
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Post by maine on Apr 18, 2024 12:18:43 GMT
Stoke1989 said
'10 years time, the final will probably be held in Riyadh'.
More like 3 I fear.
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Post by eddyclamp on Apr 18, 2024 12:22:09 GMT
What is it with people that run football?
We have the best league system in the world, the FA Cup, IMO is the best cup competition in the world, yet, the suits that run football always seem hell bent on destroying it.
I hope government intervention sorts things out.
it`s about time the voice of the fans was listened to.
As folk have already said, the FA cup is a lifeline for small clubs, they can`t wait for the draw hoping for one of the big clubs and take them to a replay.
It`s what football is, or was sadly.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 18, 2024 12:23:38 GMT
I absolutely appreciate and agree it sounds like another finger in the eye for the lower placed sides and more power to the PL clubs but, in reality, who gains what from replays and how many are there really that end up as money spinners for the lower ranked sides? Is it something that's probably died a death anyway? It feels like a lot of the time, upsets happen in the first game wherever it's played anyway. Just 2 examples Newport earned £1m from their Spurs replay. Cambridge £1m from their replay with Man Utd The thing that has driven this is the increase in Champions League games which only applies to 4 clubs (but of course the most influential 4 clubs!) The clubs that have driven this will flying around the world earning millions playing in stupid friendlies right up until the start of the season.....and then complaining about too many games Like I said, I didn't really know who was gaining what and to what regularity. If the money is that great for any potential big replays, then something absolutely needs to be done - my suggestion would be the games are played at the bigger ground (however the game is drawn) to get the bigger gate and the small club gets the gate receipts. The likelihood of winning probably lessens for the smaller club, but would the possible gate receipts make up for that? |
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Post by senojbor on Apr 18, 2024 12:23:56 GMT
It's all to suite the top 4 basically Of course it is. It must be a hell of an inconvenience for them having to go to a replay after being held by a team 2 divisions lower. |
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Post by chad on Apr 18, 2024 12:24:32 GMT
Deny the smaller clubs a chance to play at Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge so that the already rich big clubs can play more games in Europe
I’ve loved football for sixty years but I’m getting more and more disillusioned all the time
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 18, 2024 12:27:10 GMT
What is it with people that run football? We have the best league system in the world, the FA Cup, IMO is the best cup competition in the world, yet, the suits that run football always seem hell bent on destroying it. I hope government intervention sorts things out. it`s about time the voice of the fans was listened to. As folk have already said, the FA cup is a lifeline for small clubs, they can`t wait for the draw hoping for one of the big clubs and take them to a replay. It`s what football is, or was sadly. Totally agree about the lifeline element, but it also undermining the integrity of the competition. The first game I ever remembered watching was an FA Cup Final, and it got me hooked on football for life. The competition has such a fantastic history and tradition, but since the PL and Champions League this has been consistently eroded. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 18, 2024 12:29:21 GMT
I absolutely appreciate and agree it sounds like another finger in the eye for the lower placed sides and more power to the PL clubs but, in reality, who gains what from replays and how many are there really that end up as money spinners for the lower ranked sides? Is it something that's probably died a death anyway? It feels like a lot of the time, upsets happen in the first game wherever it's played anyway. Get what you’re saying but isn’t this all about PL teams fixture congestion? There are many ways to reduce this, we lose at least 3 weekends to pointless international friendlies that could be binned or clubs take the hit as they used to do or reducing the number of European Clubs entering competitions. Binning PL clubs out of the league cup is another way. But we all know that such ideas are futile and fall on PL deaf ears because it will reduce their income ….but hey fuck over 75% of the other English professional clubs. As for who gains from replays…well just ask Exeter City, Oxford Utd, Bristol City & Rovers and other EFL clubs who have gained from FA cup replays at PL venues. To agree this change without EFL input is as morally corrupt as the PL, so real surprise. Barcaontrent makes a good point below. Whilst these possible big bonus games have been brilliant for many clubs, they shouldn't have to be reliant on these things, sometimes to stay afloat. It's a greater problem that goes back to the money not being fairy distributed. I agree international friendlies are often pointless, but they'll always be played. It's gotten a bit like cricket - there are that many games and tournaments here, there and everywhere to appease television companies and overseas interests, but little regard for those who actually care and make the game what it is. It is scandalous that this appears to only be a PL decision, and not even mentioned any involvement of any other body. I expect this will kick off quite a bit, if it hasn't already. |
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 18, 2024 12:32:10 GMT
Just 2 examples Newport earned £1m from their Spurs replay. Cambridge £1m from their replay with Man Utd The thing that has driven this is the increase in Champions League games which only applies to 4 clubs (but of course the most influential 4 clubs!) The clubs that have driven this will flying around the world earning millions playing in stupid friendlies right up until the start of the season.....and then complaining about too many games Like I said, I didn't really know who was gaining what and to what regularity. If the money is that great for any potential big replays, then something absolutely needs to be done - my suggestion would be the games are played at the bigger ground (however the game is drawn) to get the bigger gate and the small club gets the gate receipts. The likelihood of winning probably lessens for the smaller club, but would the possible gate receipts make up for that? But why change it? It's not just the money, it's the event itself and its impact on fans and their aspirations. Some of the best and most magical games I have been to were FA Cup replays (Man Utd, WHU in the 70s for example) Two of the best Cup Finals were replays Chelsea v Leeds and Spurs v Man City. I just think it undermines the integrity of the competition, the aspirations of fans and what should a valued tradition in our game. and for what? so PL clubs can have more time to spend flying around the globe playing friendlies? and meaningless Champions League games? |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Apr 18, 2024 12:42:08 GMT
Yeah will do what they want, the fa cup is obviously a football association competition and the league (carbao cup) is a football league competition.
The fa are closely linked with the premier league so will suit their members or the big 4 or 6 clubs in reality.
The efl could say were boycotting the fa cup but again that would suit the big clubs as one of them would be guaranteed to win it if they not already are, then the premier league would boyacott the carbao cup but the efl wouldn't want that as no big glamour ties then so basically the have the efl by the short and curlys shambolic...
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 18, 2024 12:52:55 GMT
Like I said, I didn't really know who was gaining what and to what regularity. If the money is that great for any potential big replays, then something absolutely needs to be done - my suggestion would be the games are played at the bigger ground (however the game is drawn) to get the bigger gate and the small club gets the gate receipts. The likelihood of winning probably lessens for the smaller club, but would the possible gate receipts make up for that? But why change it? It's not just the money, it's the event itself and its impact on fans and their aspirations. Some of the best and most magical games I have been to were FA Cup replays (Man Utd, WHU in the 70s for example) Two of the best Cup Finals were replays Chelsea v Leeds and Spurs v Man City. I just think it undermines the integrity of the competition, the aspirations of fans and what should a valued tradition in our game. and for what? so PL clubs can have more time to spend flying around the globe playing friendlies? and meaningless Champions League games? That's the issue though...was the 70 s Simply isn't the competition it was FA cup crowds were generally far bigger than average league crowds back then. We would say get 12-14 k for a league game and 2 or 3 k more for a home FA Cup game , boosted by an away following |
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