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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 6, 2024 10:25:44 GMT
Whilst the second half we were slightly the better team and it was a vast improvement on previous months - despite being against a team playing their 4th game in 12 days including a local derby and big cup game - was it really enough for unbridled optimism from some?
1. We should have been 3 or 4 down by half time and they had the cigars on second half, including a possible red for Iversen? 2. We could have lost 5-1 overall quite easily. 3. Chances - I mean clear-cut chances.....1 or 2 at the most? 4. Our keeper was easily MOTM. By a mile. 5. We failed to score - again. 6. This improved attitude and desire - nice of the players to show it in March.
So I ask - whilst we escaped a tonking that many expected - was last night really enough to say "if we play like that, we will stay up"? And just how far have we fallen, when avoiding a tonking seems to be celebrated? The talk on radio before the start was settling for a 2-0 defeat. Seriously?
Play like that for the rest of the season, and miss the chances we do create, show the stupidity Pearson did, and the defensive vulnerabilities we did first half - and we don't stay up. Amazed how giddy some are despite us falling further behind some teams and putting up a showing that is the very least that we should expect as fans. Just how rotten was the club before the PR of the last 2 weeks? A game where we show a decent attitude is the very least that I expect. Every single bloody game!
Sorry, I hardly ever praise losses, especially when third bottom. Some of the over-the-top stuff I saw after beating a rancid Boro team from the club's media and on social media by fans was absolutely crackers. Ditto last night.
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Post by walton corner on Mar 6, 2024 10:28:25 GMT
top post and spot on ….only positive to me if players attitude looks to have changed fir the good ..preston game will show us where we are going to be come end of season
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Post by pez75 on Mar 6, 2024 10:33:55 GMT
No. 6 Improved attitude. While some players are stepping up, the usual suspects still look like they are in a training game to me. Certainly not running through brick walls. Laurent is the worst and hes the captain. See Baker & Wilmot too...
I cant help thinking that if every player was giving their absolute everything, it would have been enough to earn a point last night.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 6, 2024 10:34:15 GMT
Whilst the second half we were slightly the better team and it was a vast improvement on previous months - despite being against a team playing their 4th game in 12 days including a local derby and big cup game - was it really enough? 1. We should have been 3 or 4 down by half time and they had the cigars on second half, including a possible red for Iversen? 2. We could have lost 5-1 quite easily. 3. Chances - I mean clear-cut chances.....1 or 2 at the most? 4. Our keeper was easily MOTM. By a mile. 5. We failed to score - again. 6. This improved attitude and desire - nice of the players to show it in March. So I ask - whilst we escaped a tonking that many expected - was last night really enough to say "if we play like that, we will stay up"? And just how far have we fallen, when avoiding a tonking seems to be celebrated? Play like that for the rest of the season, and miss the chances we do have, show the stupidity Pearson did, and the defensive vulnerabilities we did first half and we don't stay up. Amazed how giddy some are despite us falling further behind some teams and putting up a showing that is the very least that we should expect as fans. Just how rotten was the club before the PR of the last 2 weeks? Sorry, I hardly ever praise losses, especially when third bottom. Some of the over-the-top stuff I saw after beating a rancid Boro team from the club's media and on social media by fans was absolutely crackers. The last 2 games have been different for me as in the togetherness of the players/team that was there for all to see who attended or watched.Maybe the Walters speech had had had something to do with that also but those 2 performances have given me personally some hope that we’ll survive. Secondly I didn’t think you were bothered anymore?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 6, 2024 10:36:19 GMT
Whilst the second half we were slightly the better team and it was a vast improvement on previous months - despite being against a team playing their 4th game in 12 days including a local derby and big cup game - was it really enough for unbridled optimism from some? 1. We should have been 3 or 4 down by half time and they had the cigars on second half, including a possible red for Iversen? 2. We could have lost 5-1 overall quite easily. 3. Chances - I mean clear-cut chances.....1 or 2 at the most? 4. Our keeper was easily MOTM. By a mile. 5. We failed to score - again. 6. This improved attitude and desire - nice of the players to show it in March. So I ask - whilst we escaped a tonking that many expected - was last night really enough to say "if we play like that, we will stay up"? And just how far have we fallen, when avoiding a tonking seems to be celebrated? The talk on radio before the start was settling for a 2-0 defeat. Seriously? Play like that for the rest of the season, and miss the chances we do create, show the stupidity Pearson did, and the defensive vulnerabilities we did first half - and we don't stay up. Amazed how giddy some are despite us falling further behind some teams and putting up a showing that is the very least that we should expect as fans. Just how rotten was the club before the PR of the last 2 weeks? A game where we show a decent attitude is the very least that I expect. Every single bloody game! Sorry, I hardly ever praise losses, especially when third bottom. Some of the over-the-top stuff I saw after beating a rancid Boro team from the club's media and on social media by fans was absolutely crackers. Ditto last night. Quite a harsh summing up Bunny. Leeds certainly didn't sit back on 1-0, why would any team do that. We stepped up.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 6, 2024 10:37:12 GMT
Whilst the second half we were slightly the better team and it was a vast improvement on previous months - despite being against a team playing their 4th game in 12 days including a local derby and big cup game - was it really enough for unbridled optimism from some? 1. We should have been 3 or 4 down by half time and they had the cigars on second half, including a possible red for Iversen? 2. We could have lost 5-1 overall quite easily. 3. Chances - I mean clear-cut chances.....1 or 2 at the most? 4. Our keeper was easily MOTM. By a mile. 5. We failed to score - again. 6. This improved attitude and desire - nice of the players to show it in March. So I ask - whilst we escaped a tonking that many expected - was last night really enough to say "if we play like that, we will stay up"? And just how far have we fallen, when avoiding a tonking seems to be celebrated? The talk on radio before the start was settling for a 2-0 defeat. Seriously? Play like that for the rest of the season, and miss the chances we do create, show the stupidity Pearson did, and the defensive vulnerabilities we did first half - and we don't stay up. Amazed how giddy some are despite us falling further behind some teams and putting up a showing that is the very least that we should expect as fans. Just how rotten was the club before the PR of the last 2 weeks? A game where we show a decent attitude is the very least that I expect. Every single bloody game! Sorry, I hardly ever praise losses, especially when third bottom. Some of the over-the-top stuff I saw after beating a rancid Boro team from the club's media and on social media by fans was absolutely crackers. Ditto last night. Quite a harsh summing up Bunny. Leeds certainly didn't sit back on 1-0, why would any team do that. We stepped up. Its a very harsh summing up mate
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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 6, 2024 10:38:27 GMT
Whilst the second half we were slightly the better team and it was a vast improvement on previous months - despite being against a team playing their 4th game in 12 days including a local derby and big cup game - was it really enough? 1. We should have been 3 or 4 down by half time and they had the cigars on second half, including a possible red for Iversen? 2. We could have lost 5-1 quite easily. 3. Chances - I mean clear-cut chances.....1 or 2 at the most? 4. Our keeper was easily MOTM. By a mile. 5. We failed to score - again. 6. This improved attitude and desire - nice of the players to show it in March. So I ask - whilst we escaped a tonking that many expected - was last night really enough to say "if we play like that, we will stay up"? And just how far have we fallen, when avoiding a tonking seems to be celebrated? Play like that for the rest of the season, and miss the chances we do have, show the stupidity Pearson did, and the defensive vulnerabilities we did first half and we don't stay up. Amazed how giddy some are despite us falling further behind some teams and putting up a showing that is the very least that we should expect as fans. Just how rotten was the club before the PR of the last 2 weeks? Sorry, I hardly ever praise losses, especially when third bottom. Some of the over-the-top stuff I saw after beating a rancid Boro team from the club's media and on social media by fans was absolutely crackers. The last 2 games have been different for me as in the togetherness of the players/team that was there for all to see who attended or watched.Maybe the Walters speech had had had something to do with that also but those 2 performances have given me personally some hope that we’ll survive. Secondly I didn’t think you were bothered anymore? Your last sentence is a bit daft, isn't it? Going to watch the club I work for and not going Stoke doesn't mean I'm not bothered.
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 6, 2024 10:38:42 GMT
I get the general gist of the post and understand it. It does feel a bit like after the lord mayor's show, if not that a bit of "thanks for coming lads".
We are where we are though and we have to be positive from now until the end of the season.
Personally think we have played well the last two games and had we put that in over a longer period we'd be nestled into midtable by now wondering what all the fuss was about.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 6, 2024 10:39:14 GMT
The last 2 games have been different for me as in the togetherness of the players/team that was there for all to see who attended or watched.Maybe the Walters speech had had had something to do with that also but those 2 performances have given me personally some hope that we’ll survive. Secondly I didn’t think you were bothered anymore? Your last sentence is a bit daft, isn't it? Going to watch the club I work for and not going Stoke doesn't mean I'm not bothered. Your words mate not mine
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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 6, 2024 10:39:51 GMT
Whilst the second half we were slightly the better team and it was a vast improvement on previous months - despite being against a team playing their 4th game in 12 days including a local derby and big cup game - was it really enough for unbridled optimism from some? 1. We should have been 3 or 4 down by half time and they had the cigars on second half, including a possible red for Iversen? 2. We could have lost 5-1 overall quite easily. 3. Chances - I mean clear-cut chances.....1 or 2 at the most? 4. Our keeper was easily MOTM. By a mile. 5. We failed to score - again. 6. This improved attitude and desire - nice of the players to show it in March. So I ask - whilst we escaped a tonking that many expected - was last night really enough to say "if we play like that, we will stay up"? And just how far have we fallen, when avoiding a tonking seems to be celebrated? The talk on radio before the start was settling for a 2-0 defeat. Seriously? Play like that for the rest of the season, and miss the chances we do create, show the stupidity Pearson did, and the defensive vulnerabilities we did first half - and we don't stay up. Amazed how giddy some are despite us falling further behind some teams and putting up a showing that is the very least that we should expect as fans. Just how rotten was the club before the PR of the last 2 weeks? A game where we show a decent attitude is the very least that I expect. Every single bloody game! Sorry, I hardly ever praise losses, especially when third bottom. Some of the over-the-top stuff I saw after beating a rancid Boro team from the club's media and on social media by fans was absolutely crackers. Ditto last night. Quite a harsh summing up Bunny. Leeds certainly didn't sit back on 1-0, why would any team do that. We stepped up. Sorry, I meant would have had the cigars on second half if they had been 3 or 4 up. No, Leeds didn't sit back, we actually played well and showed the attitude we haven't shown all season - and that's damning about our players.
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Post by werrington on Mar 6, 2024 10:39:57 GMT
Whilst the second half we were slightly the better team and it was a vast improvement on previous months - despite being against a team playing their 4th game in 12 days including a local derby and big cup game - was it really enough for unbridled optimism from some? 1. We should have been 3 or 4 down by half time and they had the cigars on second half, including a possible red for Iversen? 2. We could have lost 5-1 overall quite easily. 3. Chances - I mean clear-cut chances.....1 or 2 at the most? 4. Our keeper was easily MOTM. By a mile. 5. We failed to score - again. 6. This improved attitude and desire - nice of the players to show it in March. So I ask - whilst we escaped a tonking that many expected - was last night really enough to say "if we play like that, we will stay up"? And just how far have we fallen, when avoiding a tonking seems to be celebrated? The talk on radio before the start was settling for a 2-0 defeat. Seriously? Play like that for the rest of the season, and miss the chances we do create, show the stupidity Pearson did, and the defensive vulnerabilities we did first half - and we don't stay up. Amazed how giddy some are despite us falling further behind some teams and putting up a showing that is the very least that we should expect as fans. Just how rotten was the club before the PR of the last 2 weeks? A game where we show a decent attitude is the very least that I expect. Every single bloody game! Sorry, I hardly ever praise losses, especially when third bottom. Some of the over-the-top stuff I saw after beating a rancid Boro team from the club's media and on social media by fans was absolutely crackers. Ditto last night. Quite a harsh summing up Bunny. Leeds certainly didn't sit back on 1-0, why would any team do that. We stepped up. We pushed them back The Leeds fans were getting very edgy as they relied on the breakaway second half as we were dominating midfield
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 6, 2024 10:43:13 GMT
Me and my wife sat with 2 Leeds fans at the game last night.
They, along with the Leeds fans around us, definitely thought we deserved a draw.
We were much better than in the previous few weeks.
I thought the midfield did well, as did the wingers.
Main concern was full backs and our lack of goal scoring instinct.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 6, 2024 10:44:01 GMT
Your last sentence is a bit daft, isn't it? Going to watch the club I work for and not going Stoke doesn't mean I'm not bothered. Your words mate not mine I'm assuming you are referring to my post from a few weeks ago? The post below. A post where the phrase 'not bothered' isn't used? Not going and not being bothered are two entirely different things. Can fully understand the OP and all the sentiments on here. And I'm not going to preach, as I hate it when supporters tell supporters how to support. Everyone does so differently. I've done 50 years, 1250+ games and 72 grounds watching Stoke and bloody loved it. Some of our darkest days were also some of my most enjoyable - and that was because the game was often the bit that got in the way of a good time. I have never taken to the Britannia Stadium, and dad hated it. That's at the heart of it for me, as every game felt like an away da, but without the good bits. There is nowt worse than losing at home, as the day itself and the logistics for me were always crap. Recent circumstances have seen me going more and more to my localish non-league tam, and i have now ended up working there. Why? Because I enjoy going there more, it's really that simple. And more importantly, my youngest lad does, too. Noone loves sport more than him, but going to Stoke became a chore - he was bored shitless. He'd train util 1pm at Clayton Wood, then we'd grab a McD's and go the game - he was shattered and the afternoon was simply a borefest, week after week. He'd get home at 5.45pm at best, totally knackered and totally bored. I felt like a bad parent tbh. I also feel a total disconnect with my club. I have felt like a customer or client for a number of years. And it's nowt to do with losing or relegation - I've seen far worse. No, I just feel like I have little relationship with the football club and only important when they want something. Compare and contrast to non-league : every single time I go through the turnstiles at Leek, I feel like a mate and I feel like I'm part of a community. That's my job now - to grow that to more and more people. Of course, winning football helps - but it goes beyond that. To get a true connection you need to understand why people go to football, the local area and community, and make people feel wanted. It's cheaper, I can have a beer on a terrace, I have a laugh with mates, I see tons of time-served Stokies there, my lad loves it, the food is ace and cheaper, the cost is miles less, and I can be home for 5.05pm. That's massive - instead of 1-6pm (and being out of the house 8.30am-6pm), it's now 2.30-5.05pm. That's a big difference to a weekend. But most importantly, my lad loves it and I feel like it's how football used to be. The players give it their all, the football is good quality, and at the end of a game where 22 lads have played for the badge on the front of the shirt, they all have a meal and beer in the bar with the fans - how can that NOT build a sense of community? It's totally rekindled my love of football - unfortunately, at the expense of SCFC. Yes, I still watch matches on telly etc, but I've been in the ground three times this season, as I now go away with Leek which is a brilliant afternoon. Off the pitch, Simson King and An Emmerson are doing a fine job, but I feel zero connection with those who put the shirt on, nor those who manage and recruit them. I've had my fun - been selfish going all 0ver the country whilst wife and kids were at home. That has stopped now - when I go to football, I need those people to0 see that I've bloody enjoyed it. I'm fed up of Stoke making me angry, sad, bitter etc......I have vowed to spend my later years enjoying football more rather than letting football control my every mood, emotion and making us skint. I'm not telling folk to stop going - far from it. SCFC needs you. But please don't think there aren't alternatives. The club's hierarchy needs to understand that and start leading accordingly. That doesn't mean free buses, it mans truly understanding the connection between fan and club.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 6, 2024 10:44:13 GMT
No one should be celebrating a defeat that keeps us in the bottom 3. So show some respect to the club.
Obviously we were OK and had some half decent moments in the second half and there seemed to be a decent work ethic, but celebrating a 1-0 defeat to a fellow championship side? Fuck that.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 6, 2024 10:45:46 GMT
At the end of the day, when all's said and done, when bygones have become bygones, we cannot score for toffee. Nor have we been able to all season. For that reason I think we will go down.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Mar 6, 2024 10:46:34 GMT
No. 6 Improved attitude. While some players are stepping up, the usual suspects still look like they are in a training game to me. Certainly not running through brick walls. Laurent is the worst and hes the captain. See Baker & Wilmot too... I cant help thinking that if every player was giving their absolute everything, it would have been enough to earn a point last night. Its a funny old game said Greavsie and all about opinions but I thought Wilmott had his best game since coming back in last night. I also think Laurent has showed more desire in the last two games than in his whole time at Stoke but thats just my thoughts.
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Post by werrington on Mar 6, 2024 10:47:17 GMT
No one should be celebrating a defeat that keeps us in the bottom 3. So show some respect to the club. Obviously we were OK and had some half decent moments in the second half and there seemed to be a decent work ethic, but celebrating a 1-0 defeat to a fellow championship side? Fuck that. Nobody is celebrating a defeat though mate Just saying how much improved we are especially against a Leeds side at home
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Post by gaznandi on Mar 6, 2024 10:50:25 GMT
Whilst the second half we were slightly the better team and it was a vast improvement on previous months - despite being against a team playing their 4th game in 12 days including a local derby and big cup game - was it really enough for unbridled optimism from some? 1. We should have been 3 or 4 down by half time and they had the cigars on second half, including a possible red for Iversen? 2. We could have lost 5-1 overall quite easily. 3. Chances - I mean clear-cut chances.....1 or 2 at the most? 4. Our keeper was easily MOTM. By a mile. 5. We failed to score - again. 6. This improved attitude and desire - nice of the players to show it in March. So I ask - whilst we escaped a tonking that many expected - was last night really enough to say "if we play like that, we will stay up"? And just how far have we fallen, when avoiding a tonking seems to be celebrated? The talk on radio before the start was settling for a 2-0 defeat. Seriously? Play like that for the rest of the season, and miss the chances we do create, show the stupidity Pearson did, and the defensive vulnerabilities we did first half - and we don't stay up. Amazed how giddy some are despite us falling further behind some teams and putting up a showing that is the very least that we should expect as fans. Just how rotten was the club before the PR of the last 2 weeks? A game where we show a decent attitude is the very least that I expect. Every single bloody game! Sorry, I hardly ever praise losses, especially when third bottom. Some of the over-the-top stuff I saw after beating a rancid Boro team from the club's media and on social media by fans was absolutely crackers. Ditto last night. Christ Bunny, I thought this was a Benji rant till I realised I could actually read it without the aid of a mirror 😉
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Post by jm on Mar 6, 2024 10:56:58 GMT
I thought Stoke were the better team second half so play like that for the final 10 and there is a chance of escape but relying on other teams results makes it too unpredictable to call. What is predictable is the OP's constant negativity towards the club.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 6, 2024 11:00:31 GMT
Constant negativity? You missed the 10 years and 78 issues of continued blind hope, I take it?
Sorry I'm not a happy clapper and don't celebrate failure.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 6, 2024 11:04:47 GMT
We have to go to Preston and win. It’s that simple.
If we don’t the last 2 performances count for very little.
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Post by werrington on Mar 6, 2024 11:08:05 GMT
We have to go to Preston and win. It’s that simple. If we don’t the last 2 performances count for very little. In reality we don’t mate We could win and go down and we could lose and stay up It would be fantastic but it doesn’t hinge on Preston away
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Post by mamathestriker on Mar 6, 2024 11:09:18 GMT
Constant negativity? You missed the 10 years and 78 issues of continued blind hope, I take it? Sorry I'm not a happy clapper and don't celebrate failure. I think your post actually has some good points in it - but what's most important now is trying to keep the "togetherness" we had on Saturday and last night. We know our problems. We know ultimately there's massive problems with our squad. I thought we were a goner after Cardiff, the last two have given me some hope we can keep our heads above water. We must focus on the positives and the inquest can begin the moment we're safe.
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Post by mamathestriker on Mar 6, 2024 11:09:55 GMT
We have to go to Preston and win. It’s that simple. If we don’t the last 2 performances count for very little. In reality we don’t mate We could win and go down and we could lose and stay up It would be fantastic but it doesn’t hinge on Preston away In the scheme of things though, it's absolutely huge.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 6, 2024 11:10:57 GMT
No one should be celebrating a defeat that keeps us in the bottom 3. So show some respect to the club. Obviously we were OK and had some half decent moments in the second half and there seemed to be a decent work ethic, but celebrating a 1-0 defeat to a fellow championship side? Fuck that. Nobody is celebrating a defeat though mate Just saying how much improved we are especially against a Leeds side at home Fair enough Mark, I read the OP and sounded like people were happy with it. And in fairness I've seen the odd post referencing it being a good result etc (only 1-0). We just need to be careful of slipping into this dark place of being comfortable with defeats because that ends one way. In terms of analysing performance, I think we're definitely looking better than we were 10 days ago at Cardiff. We do seem to have this weird trait of raising our game against better sides. Even under Oneil and Neil. Huge game at Preston. We need something there.
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Post by pez75 on Mar 6, 2024 11:17:48 GMT
No. 6 Improved attitude. While some players are stepping up, the usual suspects still look like they are in a training game to me. Certainly not running through brick walls. Laurent is the worst and hes the captain. See Baker & Wilmot too... I cant help thinking that if every player was giving their absolute everything, it would have been enough to earn a point last night. Its a funny old game said Greavsie and all about opinions but I thought Wilmott had his best game since coming back in last night. I also think Laurent has showed more desire in the last two games than in his whole time at Stoke but thats just my thoughts. Tbf you are right about Wilmot, he was better last night, but my thoughts are probably skewed by the afct he has been dogshit for the last few games, and all that aside he is as far from having a Denis Smith attitude as you will find in a professional centre half. Laurent and Baker have both also stepped up but their general body language is still only 80% bothered IMO. I wasnt commenting on their overall performance, more their hunger and desire to win at all costs which is that extra bit we need right now.
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Post by thornestein on Mar 6, 2024 11:22:21 GMT
We have to go to Preston and win. It’s that simple. If we don’t the last 2 performances count for very little. In reality we don’t mate We could win and go down and we could lose and stay up It would be fantastic but it doesn’t hinge on Preston away you’re right , but for confidence reasons i think it’s important one to win
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 6, 2024 11:22:23 GMT
If we play the rest of the season like we did in the 2nd half,we could still go down,because we can't fecking score.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 6, 2024 11:26:39 GMT
The closest comparison to me is that run in we had under Pulis when he kept us in the championship. I think our defence was far better then than now, as was the keeper. My confidence grew that we'd stay up the longer that run went on. I don't feel the same at the moment, mainly because I get the impression the current lot all decided to down tools at some point this season and let us get in this mess in the first place.
Neil's rumoured holiday to Dubai shows that the attitude from the top has never been right and that just filters down to the rest of the boys club.
I followed a player down the M6 on Saturday, not sure who it was but they turned off in Trent Vale to Clayton Wood. They were driving a G Wagen FFS. They don't have to try and they still get to live the lifestyle.
I hope we stay up but I'll be honest and say I've covered myself with a bet on us going down to pay for a season ticket of they do.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 6, 2024 11:34:53 GMT
Quite a harsh summing up Bunny. Leeds certainly didn't sit back on 1-0, why would any team do that. We stepped up. We pushed them back The Leeds fans were getting very edgy as they relied on the breakaway second half as we were dominating midfield Their manager has come out and said it was his proudest win of the year, they had to dig deep to get it. That's not a bad sign. We've got to translate this into points sooner rather than later though.
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