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Post by idle on Mar 4, 2024 10:32:50 GMT
You said that at the time did you🤔 He said Pearson was a decent midfielder for a mid table championship team. Which isn't far off IMO, and I like BP.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 4, 2024 11:35:40 GMT
I don’t think he’s long for this club tbh. He’s not played well all season, not sure what’s gone on but he’s deservedly on the bench. As for walking off at the end, well I don’t have too much of an issue with that, some players just aren’t that way inclined for whatever reason🤷🏻♂️ Yep, I'm fine with him just walking walking off at the end of the match, not every player is up for the post-match histrionics, I'm not mad keen on it myself. Normally I'd agree. I was always disappointed that Bojan walked straight off after matches but accepted he must have had reasons which had nothing to do with bad feelings towards fans or the club. I am sure he would have stayed if asked to by the DoF. The point about Pearson was that he had been asked to show unity by probably the most important person at the club behind the Coates. Walking off showed disrespect towards Walters, teammates and most of all fans. He might have had reasons but as I said before just standing in the centre circle chatting with stewards/players /groundsmen wouldn't have hurt for five minutes. I get that he might not have wanted to but I think the point was showing appreciation of the fans who if the Oatcake was anything to go by didn't all want to get behind the team and make a noise as requested but almost to a man did. I am sure after his last match at the Bet365 Hoever didn't particularly want to play on Saturday but put in a much improved and brave performance. In a team there should not be individuals who do what they want instead of what is asked of them. I'm sure Campbell has very similar feelings as Pearson towards the club at the moment but give him his due he hasn't disrespected the club or fans and looked genuinely chuffed yesterday even if he couldn't in reality have cared less.
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 4, 2024 11:44:55 GMT
It's interesting that we have people turning on Ryan Mmaee for a supposed attitude problem that we don't see behind closed doors, and can only go from what the club want us to hear, yet will blindly defend Ben Pearson when he visibly goes against what the Head Coach and the interim DOF gave asked for on a number of occasions recently?
Agenda's hey, who'd have em?
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Post by jokker on Mar 4, 2024 12:11:22 GMT
It would require a free transfer and someone to pay one of the highest wages in the division for the length of his current contract which runs three more seasons (four if he has a one year option). It's not going to happen. The only chance of his departure happening is if we pay a club to sign him and pay a portion or all of his wages at any taker's club. Not the smartest thing we did signing him for that long and on those terms. You'd think the club had never encountered the pitfalls of such contracts before, which we of course had. He'd just turned 28 when we signed him on loan in January last year, in the prime of his career and with a reputation for being one of the best DMs in this division over several seasons. He proved that quality for us last season, giving us the bite and steel in midfield we had been craving, and no one can argue his performances were a large part of why our form picked up. It made perfect sense to sign him on a 3-year deal and we were all delighted. For whatever reason, he just hasn't been on it. He's only 29 now, so the excuse his legs have gone don't cut it for me. No. It's his desire to perform which is "gone", since he signed that contract which was on 4 years. not 3. It should have given him a sense of security to go on performing, but instead it gave him an excuse not to bother, because whether he did perform or not, money would be rolling in for the next four years. As indicated above we've been in similar situations where long term contracts weren't rewarded by players with long term good performing. I could understand why we handed out such contracts when we were in the PL believing that there was no tomorrow without it, but the struggle to rid ourselves of several non-performing, some not even playing, players, should have stopped us from again handing out free food tickets to Pearson, who at 28 would be 32 when the contract would be up, which means he has no re-sale value.
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Post by idle on Mar 4, 2024 12:30:49 GMT
It's interesting that we have people turning on Ryan Mmaee for a supposed attitude problem that we don't see behind closed doors, and can only go from what the club want us to hear, yet will blindly defend Ben Pearson when he visibly goes against what the Head Coach and the interim DOF gave asked for on a number of occasions recently? Agenda's hey, who'd have em? Correction: Your interpretation of his intentions on what SS and JW wants. If he applies himself in training and is pissed that he doesn't get to play I have no problems. Would you rather use a player going through the motions for the fans but pisses about in training?
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 4, 2024 12:44:50 GMT
It's interesting that we have people turning on Ryan Mmaee for a supposed attitude problem that we don't see behind closed doors, and can only go from what the club want us to hear, yet will blindly defend Ben Pearson when he visibly goes against what the Head Coach and the interim DOF gave asked for on a number of occasions recently? Agenda's hey, who'd have em? Correction: Your interpretation of his intentions on what SS and JW wants. If he applies himself in training and is pissed that he doesn't get to play I have no problems. Would you rather use a player going through the motions for the fans but pisses about in training? I'm surprised it's taken people this long to notice him skulking off the pitch at the end. He's pretty much done it all season, even under the last manager. He ignores the vast majority of the kids outside the ground waiting for autographs most weeks too. Others go above and beyond to stay for autographs and photos. He's just a miserable arse with a poor attitude to the club and the people that support it, and has been demonstrated for quite some time. The fact his performances have dipped from last seasons "He's unfit but will get better next year after a full pre season" excuse routine is more of an issue for me. Get him gone.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 4, 2024 12:50:16 GMT
It says a lot about the character of the player/person, if he’s not performing I genuinely don’t see what he brings to the table🔴⚪️
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 4, 2024 12:56:27 GMT
I get that some players are frustrating at times, but it always seems like we have to have a boo boy, and Ben Pearson seems to be the current contender.
He's really not anywhere near as bad as some people make out.
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Post by idle on Mar 4, 2024 13:04:39 GMT
Correction: Your interpretation of his intentions on what SS and JW wants. If he applies himself in training and is pissed that he doesn't get to play I have no problems. Would you rather use a player going through the motions for the fans but pisses about in training? I'm surprised it's taken people this long to notice him skulking off the pitch at the end. He's pretty much done it all season, even under the last manager. He ignores the vast majority of the kids outside the ground waiting for autographs most weeks too. Others go above and beyond to stay for autographs and photos. He's just a miserable arse with a poor attitude to the club and the people that support it, and has been demonstrated for quite some time. The fact his performances have dipped from last seasons "He's unfit but will get better next year after a full pre season" excuse routine is more of an issue for me. Get him gone. Maybe he doesn't like the publicity? I'm an introvert myself, I don't like big crowds, especially when I feel I haven't done my best. You're projecting your thoughts he has a "bad attitude" when we've seen nothing of the sort. That he's out of the team isn't indicative of poor attitude, he just doesn't fit the manager's style of play, at least now, and have been out of form. It seems to me you're just an entitled fan thinking writing autographs is more important than wanting to play and win.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 4, 2024 13:10:23 GMT
I'm surprised it's taken people this long to notice him skulking off the pitch at the end. He's pretty much done it all season, even under the last manager. He ignores the vast majority of the kids outside the ground waiting for autographs most weeks too. Others go above and beyond to stay for autographs and photos. He's just a miserable arse with a poor attitude to the club and the people that support it, and has been demonstrated for quite some time. The fact his performances have dipped from last seasons "He's unfit but will get better next year after a full pre season" excuse routine is more of an issue for me. Get him gone. Maybe he doesn't like the publicity? I'm an introvert myself, I don't like big crowds, especially when I feel I haven't done my best. You're projecting your thoughts he has a "bad attitude" when we've seen nothing of the sort. That he's out of the team isn't indicative of poor attitude, he just doesn't fit the manager's style of play, at least now, and have been out of form. It seems to me you're just an entitled fan thinking writing autographs is more important than wanting to play and win. No mate…definitely not after an autograph 🤦🏼♂️
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 4, 2024 13:17:19 GMT
Maybe he doesn't like the publicity? I'm an introvert myself, I don't like big crowds, especially when I feel I haven't done my best. You're projecting your thoughts he has a "bad attitude" when we've seen nothing of the sort. That he's out of the team isn't indicative of poor attitude, he just doesn't fit the manager's style of play, at least now, and have been out of form. It seems to me you're just an entitled fan thinking writing autographs is more important than wanting to play and win. No mate…definitely not after an autograph 🤦🏼♂️ I don't think he understands. I've tried, and failed...
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Post by idle on Mar 4, 2024 13:33:36 GMT
No mate…definitely not after an autograph 🤦🏼♂️ I don't think he understands. I've tried, and failed... Try again then. I want good performances and a good attitude in training. You guys seem to want ... cheering with the boys at full time?
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 4, 2024 13:35:52 GMT
He said Pearson was a decent midfielder for a mid table championship team. Which isn't far off IMO, and I like BP. I did. Good signing for a team looking to stay mid-table. Unremarkable career, yet some, including people who no longer post on here, were going on about what an amazing signing he was. Words like Essential, Spine of our team, best holding midfielder in the Championship were bandied about. Like his mate Neil, should never have been signed, only came for the cash and has tossed it off since.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 4, 2024 13:42:17 GMT
He said Pearson was a decent midfielder for a mid table championship team. Which isn't far off IMO, and I like BP. I did. Good signing for a team looking to stay mid-table. Unremarkable career, yet some, including people who no longer post on here, were going on about what an amazing signing he was. Words like Essential, Spine of our team, best holding midfielder in the Championship were bandied about. Like his mate Neil, should never have been signed, only came for the cash and has tossed it off since. I think he's a decent footballer at this level and will be an asset to the team. Better than what we have but that isn't hard is it? The fact is that his career record is pretty unremarkable.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 4, 2024 13:45:22 GMT
I did. Good signing for a team looking to stay mid-table. Unremarkable career, yet some, including people who no longer post on here, were going on about what an amazing signing he was. Words like Essential, Spine of our team, best holding midfielder in the Championship were bandied about. Like his mate Neil, should never have been signed, only came for the cash and has tossed it off since. I think he's a decent footballer at this level and will be an asset to the team. Better than what we have but that isn't hard is it? The fact is that his career record is pretty unremarkable. Correct, he is exactly that, nothing more nothing less. It still remains that he's tossed it off at Stoke and is here for the money along with Johnson and Neil. You should focus on that and the complete shitshow of a season rather than being desperate to point fingers at fellow Stoke supporters.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 4, 2024 13:47:09 GMT
I think he's a decent footballer at this level and will be an asset to the team. Better than what we have but that isn't hard is it? The fact is that his career record is pretty unremarkable. Correct, he is exactly that, nothing more nothing less. It still remains that he's tossed it off at Stoke and is here for the money along with Johnson and Neil. You should focus on that and the complete shitshow of a season rather than being desperate to point fingers at fellow Stoke supporters. I’m not pointing fingers at anyone,I’m simply pointing out what you wrote” I think he’s a decent footballer at this level”
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 4, 2024 13:48:50 GMT
Correct, he is exactly that, nothing more nothing less. It still remains that he's tossed it off at Stoke and is here for the money along with Johnson and Neil. You should focus on that and the complete shitshow of a season rather than being desperate to point fingers at fellow Stoke supporters. I’m not pointing fingers at anyone,I’m simply pointing out what you wrote” I think he’s a decent footballer at this level” He was, he has been nothing short of garbage for us. Fact.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 4, 2024 13:54:17 GMT
I’m not pointing fingers at anyone,I’m simply pointing out what you wrote” I think he’s a decent footballer at this level” He was, he has been nothing short of garbage for us. Fact. This season for sure he’s been nowhere near as effective compared to when he first came but Garbage 🤔More over the top bollocks from you as usual
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 4, 2024 14:06:25 GMT
He was, he has been nothing short of garbage for us. Fact. This season for sure he’s been nowhere near as effective compared to when he first came but Garbage 🤔More over the top bollocks from you as usual Nowhere near as effective? We're in the bottom three ffs. He was brought in to help us go up, not get relegated. Recruitment has been a disaster bar 2 players. He's been garbage for us, just like the rest of 'em.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 4, 2024 14:06:59 GMT
I'm surprised it's taken people this long to notice him skulking off the pitch at the end. He's pretty much done it all season, even under the last manager. He ignores the vast majority of the kids outside the ground waiting for autographs most weeks too. Others go above and beyond to stay for autographs and photos. He's just a miserable arse with a poor attitude to the club and the people that support it, and has been demonstrated for quite some time. The fact his performances have dipped from last seasons "He's unfit but will get better next year after a full pre season" excuse routine is more of an issue for me. Get him gone. Maybe he doesn't like the publicity? I'm an introvert myself, I don't like big crowds, especially when I feel I haven't done my best. You're projecting your thoughts he has a "bad attitude" when we've seen nothing of the sort. That he's out of the team isn't indicative of poor attitude, he just doesn't fit the manager's style of play, at least now, and have been out of form. It seems to me you're just an entitled fan thinking writing autographs is more important than wanting to play and win. I can accept that. As I've said Bojan used to run straight off the pitch at the end and I suspect that was to do with his well publicised mental health issues at Barcelona but he always went out of his way to appreciate the fans in other ways and a lap of appreciation hadn't been requested of the players then, some did but some didn't. On Saturday a show of unity had been called for by the club which Pearson disregarded. He didn't have to walk to the stands clapping, give away his shirt etc, just stay on the pitch until his team mates were leaving.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 4, 2024 14:26:51 GMT
I don't think he understands. I've tried, and failed... Try again then. I want good performances and a good attitude in training. You guys seem to want ... cheering with the boys at full time? Not one bit
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 4, 2024 14:57:26 GMT
I get that some players are frustrating at times, but it always seems like we have to have a boo boy, and Ben Pearson seems to be the current contender. He's really not anywhere near as bad as some people make out. He's not in the team and we tried to sell him for a reason ...not surprised we couldn't He brings little to the team and possibly ok when leading and looking to shut up shop but not happening too much lately. Lazy free kick conceded don't help either.
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Post by LphPotter on Mar 4, 2024 15:40:46 GMT
Looks like we got us a new Joe Allen! We don’t like grafters in dees partz. Joe Allen wasn't scapegoated. He was rightly recognised as being absolutely shit. If anything it took our fans way too long to realise this. As for Pearson I still think he’s a good championship defensive midfielder, however don’t think he suits Schumachers system at all, he’ll go in the summer you’d imagine.
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Post by idle on Mar 4, 2024 15:59:23 GMT
Try again then. I want good performances and a good attitude in training. You guys seem to want ... cheering with the boys at full time? Not one bit So you have an agenda. Pearson is your new boo boy. Got it.
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Post by idle on Mar 4, 2024 16:01:49 GMT
Maybe he doesn't like the publicity? I'm an introvert myself, I don't like big crowds, especially when I feel I haven't done my best. You're projecting your thoughts he has a "bad attitude" when we've seen nothing of the sort. That he's out of the team isn't indicative of poor attitude, he just doesn't fit the manager's style of play, at least now, and have been out of form. It seems to me you're just an entitled fan thinking writing autographs is more important than wanting to play and win. I can accept that. As I've said Bojan used to run straight off the pitch at the end and I suspect that was to do with his well publicised mental health issues at Barcelona but he always went out of his way to appreciate the fans in other ways and a lap of appreciation hadn't been requested of the players then, some did but some didn't. On Saturday a show of unity had been called for by the club which Pearson disregarded. He didn't have to walk to the stands clapping, give away his shirt etc, just stay on the pitch until his team mates were leaving. I still fail too see that this should be reason enough to "get rid" in the summer. If we get a fair price, sure, as he doesn't fit SS system (right now), but it seems some on here wants to pay him off. Because he doesn't stay to clap at full time? "Failing to show fan appreciation"? That's lunacy IMO. Some of the best athletes in the world are total assholes. Next they'll be telling me if we had prime CR7 should be gotten rid of him because of his "attitude". Mmaee has attitude problems. Possibly Vidigal as well, but we don't know. There'es been no indication of that from Schumacher on Pearson. It's all in peoples heads because they don't like him.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 4, 2024 16:01:50 GMT
It's interesting that we have people turning on Ryan Mmaee for a supposed attitude problem that we don't see behind closed doors, and can only go from what the club want us to hear, yet will blindly defend Ben Pearson when he visibly goes against what the Head Coach and the interim DOF gave asked for on a number of occasions recently? Agenda's hey, who'd have em? Correction: Your interpretation of his intentions on what SS and JW wants. If he applies himself in training and is pissed that he doesn't get to play I have no problems. Would you rather use a player going through the motions for the fans but pisses about in training? No I wouldn't. I think the fans want, and are entitled to have, both.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 4, 2024 16:09:25 GMT
He's totally unfit. Let's see him get back to his physical peak and go from there.
In his current state he's no use to us............
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Post by idle on Mar 4, 2024 16:09:27 GMT
Correction: Your interpretation of his intentions on what SS and JW wants. If he applies himself in training and is pissed that he doesn't get to play I have no problems. Would you rather use a player going through the motions for the fans but pisses about in training? No I wouldn't. I think the fans want, and are entitled to have, both. Fans aren't entitled to a clap at the end. If they do it, fine, no problem. But not going around is also fine, as long as the player applies himself in training and in the game. We're all different, but I'd rather have a Pearson than a Mmaee. As I said in the other post, some (if not most) of the worlds best athletes are total narcissistic assholes. They almost have to be. Football is a little different as it's a team game, but not by much. They still need to focus on themselves and forsake others to be the best they can be.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 4, 2024 16:19:27 GMT
So you have an agenda. Pearson is your new boo boy. Got it. 😂😂😂😂😂 do one you whopper, I actually rate him as a champ footballer n I don’t boo anyone🔴⚪️
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 4, 2024 16:23:50 GMT
No I wouldn't. I think the fans want, and are entitled to have, both. Fans aren't entitled to a clap at the end. If they do it, fine, no problem. But not going around is also fine, as long as the player applies himself in training and in the game. We're all different, but I'd rather have a Pearson than a Mmaee. As I said in the other post, some (if not most) of the worlds best athletes are total narcissistic assholes. They almost have to be. Football is a little different as it's a team game, but not by much. They still need to focus on themselves and forsake others to be the best they can be. We'll just have to disagree. I think the fans were entitled to a clap on Saturday. I think it is very likely that without the fans support on Saturday the team performance would not have been as good. And without those fans, neither Ben Pearson nor any other player would have a career. I don't know enough about Mmaee to make any comparisons, but those are not the only two options. I don't know the evidence for your insulting comment about top athletes. I think a team game is very different to an individual sport in its mentality, and don't agree that footballers need to focus on themselves and forsake others to be the best they can be. IMHO A footballer can't be the best they can be without being an effective part of a team unit, both on and off the match pitch.
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