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Post by Gods on Mar 4, 2024 16:52:34 GMT
Yep, I'm fine with him just walking walking off at the end of the match, not every player is up for the post-match histrionics, I'm not mad keen on it myself. Doesn't have to be histrionics, Godfrey, just following his teammates in showing some appreciation to the crowd who gave the team excellent backing throughout the game. [ You are probably right Malcolm. I'm a bit 'old skool' on celebrations of all kinds. On scoring a goal one should simply shake the hand of the provider and make your way quickly back to the half way line for the restart in a 'just doing my job' kind of a way. Just as on winning a game there is no need to charge around punching the air and screaming like a swarm of bees have got in to your football shorts
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Post by jokker on Mar 4, 2024 17:38:24 GMT
I don't think he understands. I've tried, and failed... Try again then. I want good performances and a good attitude in training. When was the last time you had 'good performances' from Pearson?
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Post by idle on Mar 4, 2024 17:46:40 GMT
So you have an agenda. Pearson is your new boo boy. Got it. 😂😂😂😂😂 do one you whopper, I actually rate him as a champ footballer n I don’t boo anyone🔴⚪️ I'm not the one being thick as a whopper here champ
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Post by idle on Mar 4, 2024 17:48:05 GMT
Try again then. I want good performances and a good attitude in training. When was the last time you had 'good performances' from Pearson? He had a few in autumn, but he's hardly played since novemeber, so a quite a while. Players do have dips in form though, I don't label them shit because of it.
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Post by idle on Mar 4, 2024 17:50:00 GMT
Fans aren't entitled to a clap at the end. If they do it, fine, no problem. But not going around is also fine, as long as the player applies himself in training and in the game. We're all different, but I'd rather have a Pearson than a Mmaee. As I said in the other post, some (if not most) of the worlds best athletes are total narcissistic assholes. They almost have to be. Football is a little different as it's a team game, but not by much. They still need to focus on themselves and forsake others to be the best they can be. We'll just have to disagree. I think the fans were entitled to a clap on Saturday. I think it is very likely that without the fans support on Saturday the team performance would not have been as good. And without those fans, neither Ben Pearson nor any other player would have a career. I don't know enough about Mmaee to make any comparisons, but those are not the only two options. I don't know the evidence for your insulting comment about top athletes. I think a team game is very different to an individual sport in its mentality, and don't agree that footballers need to focus on themselves and forsake others to be the best they can be. IMHO A footballer can't be the best they can be without being an effective part of a team unit, both on and off the match pitch. Fair enough, I just think you're all reading way too much into one player not going to clap the fans (after playing what, 7 minutes?).
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 4, 2024 17:54:41 GMT
😂😂😂😂😂 do one you whopper, I actually rate him as a champ footballer n I don’t boo anyone🔴⚪️ I'm not the one being thick as a whopper here champ Your saying I have an agenda against a player who I actually rate n like, your making a far bigger thing of it than it is…Champ
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Post by onepara on Mar 4, 2024 17:56:56 GMT
O.K. You all have your opinions. But do you have to pull players to pieces, when we are fighting for our lives, & need them to play at their best?
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Post by idle on Mar 4, 2024 18:12:44 GMT
I'm not the one being thick as a whopper here champ Your saying I have an agenda against a player who I actually rate n like, your making a far bigger thing of it than it is…Champ Ok, but (walking into the tunnel) "says a lot about the character of the player/person" is a wierd way of showing it. I'm just sick and tired of some fans shitting on our players, one or two at a time, for reasons that are small change. It has happened to every single player we have, including Burger. Laurent is now in "everyones" first 11 after one good game, while ignoring that Pearson had to cover both for him and Johsnon all of August to November, bar a few games.
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Post by collo68 on Mar 4, 2024 18:23:34 GMT
He could play an important role if Burger gets another booking in the next two games
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 4, 2024 18:28:26 GMT
Your saying I have an agenda against a player who I actually rate n like, your making a far bigger thing of it than it is…Champ Ok, but (walking into the tunnel) "says a lot about the character of the player/person" is a wierd way of showing it. I'm just sick and tired of some fans shitting on our players, one or two at a time, for reasons that are small change. It has happened to every single player we have, including Burger. Laurent is now in "everyones" first 11 after one good game, while ignoring that Pearson had to cover both for him and Johsnon all of August to November, bar a few games. It will always happen mate, fickle us supporters🔴⚪️
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Post by onepara on Mar 4, 2024 19:13:15 GMT
Your saying I have an agenda against a player who I actually rate n like, your making a far bigger thing of it than it is…Champ Ok, but (walking into the tunnel) "says a lot about the character of the player/person" is a wierd way of showing it. I'm just sick and tired of some fans shitting on our players, one or two at a time, for reasons that are small change. It has happened to every single player we have, including Burger. Laurent is now in "everyones" first 11 after one good game, while ignoring that Pearson had to cover both for him and Johsnon all of August to November, bar a few games. I'm with you on this. We want to survive in the Championship, but some are prepared to take away what confidence the players have left. Poor so-called supporters. They should be ashamed of themselves. If/when we survive, they'll probably be the same ones who will be jumping on the celebratory bandwagon.
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Post by jokker on Mar 4, 2024 21:04:32 GMT
I get that some players are frustrating at times, but it always seems like we have to have a boo boy, and Ben Pearson seems to be the current contender. He's really not anywhere near as bad as some people make out. You're right. He's worse...
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 4, 2024 21:54:08 GMT
Doesn't have to be histrionics, Godfrey, just following his teammates in showing some appreciation to the crowd who gave the team excellent backing throughout the game. [ You are probably right Malcolm. I'm a bit 'old skool' on celebrations of all kinds. On scoring a goal one should simply shake the hand of the provider and make your quickly back to the half way line for the restart in a 'just doing my job' kind of a way. Just as on winning a game there is no need to charge around punching the air and screaming like a swarm of bees have got in to your football shorts Pretty old that, Godfrey, - a quick handshake is what they used to do in Sir Stan's day. Can't quite remember when it started to change. Like most things in footy, TV probably had a lot to do with it, and I tend to agree it's gone too far the other way. But I do rather like the quirky, individual celebrations, like Crouchy's robot, Beagrie's back flip etc.
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Post by wilcopotter on Mar 4, 2024 21:59:19 GMT
On the final whistle he raised his arms with clenched fists to the skies in triumph, says enough to me. Check it out on the extended highlights.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 4, 2024 22:04:30 GMT
We'll just have to disagree. I think the fans were entitled to a clap on Saturday. I think it is very likely that without the fans support on Saturday the team performance would not have been as good. And without those fans, neither Ben Pearson nor any other player would have a career. I don't know enough about Mmaee to make any comparisons, but those are not the only two options. I don't know the evidence for your insulting comment about top athletes. I think a team game is very different to an individual sport in its mentality, and don't agree that footballers need to focus on themselves and forsake others to be the best they can be. IMHO A footballer can't be the best they can be without being an effective part of a team unit, both on and off the match pitch. Fair enough, I just think you're all reading way too much into one player not going to clap the fans (after playing what, 7 minutes?). Actually, when the discussion started , it was the poster's suggestion that it was because he was pissed off that he wasn't starting, and that the poster had no problem with that, that I mainly disagreed with, more than the action itself, although I do think it's not asking much to give a clap to the crowd alongside his teammates, unless of course he was just desperate for a dump.....................
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Post by Gods on Mar 4, 2024 22:11:27 GMT
You are probably right Malcolm. I'm a bit 'old skool' on celebrations of all kinds. On scoring a goal one should simply shake the hand of the provider and make your quickly back to the half way line for the restart in a 'just doing my job' kind of a way. Just as on winning a game there is no need to charge around punching the air and screaming like a swarm of bees have got in to your football shorts Pretty old that, Godfrey, - a quick handshake is what they used to do in Sir Stan's day. Can't quite remember when it started to change. Like most things in footy, TV probably had a lot to do with it, and I tend to agree it's gone too far the other way. But I do rather like the quirky, individual celebrations, like Crouchy's robot, Beagrie's back flip etc. I agree Malcolm but it leaves a gap in the market for anyone who can embrace the 'just doing my job' jog back to the half way line !
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Post by jokker on Mar 5, 2024 10:07:39 GMT
When was the last time you had 'good performances' from Pearson? He had a few in autumn, but he's hardly played since novemeber, so a quite a while. Players do have dips in form though, I don't label them shit because of it. Although one of the reasons Pearson is playing less is he frequently incurs suspensions.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 5, 2024 10:14:38 GMT
He had a few in autumn, but he's hardly played since novemeber, so a quite a while. Players do have dips in form though, I don't label them shit because of it. Although one of the reasons Pearson is playing less is he frequently incurs suspensions. And he plays poorly. He was our marquee signing and he's underperformed.
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Post by stantheman on Mar 5, 2024 10:16:03 GMT
He could play an important role if Burger gets another booking in the next two games Then Cundle will start
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Post by idle on Mar 5, 2024 10:41:04 GMT
He had a few in autumn, but he's hardly played since novemeber, so a quite a while. Players do have dips in form though, I don't label them shit because of it. Although one of the reasons Pearson is playing less is he frequently incurs suspensions. True, it's been too many. I read he was known for the occasional red and few yellows before he signed for us. OTOH, we get FKs against and yellow cards for far less than most other teams. If we had played like Huddersfield did against Leeds on Saturday we'd have 4 reds and 7 yellows!
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Post by idle on Mar 5, 2024 10:41:27 GMT
He could play an important role if Burger gets another booking in the next two games Then Cundle will start In Burgers role? He'll get run over in a second. Also, I disagree he's been playing poorly. According to fotmob.com, his average rating is 0.01pts below Junho. He's not been able to dominate games, but he's been far from our worst player. Smack down the middle of the pack actually. Gooch, who's so highly regarded on here, on the other hand has been way worse.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 5, 2024 11:47:39 GMT
In Burgers role? He'll get run over in a second. Also, I disagree he's been playing poorly. According to fotmob.com, his average rating is 0.01pts below Junho. He's not been able to dominate games, but he's been far from our worst player. Smack down the middle of the pack actually. Gooch, who's so highly regarded on here, on the other hand has been way worse. I don’t think he’s been bad at all (nor Gooch). I don’t think he’s had any standout games, which is very disappointing but I don’t think he’s been bad. I think he’d look better if at least one of the central defenders were good in the air. Having 3 of 3 at the back who are at best, average in the air, exposes all of them. Perhaps he left immediately at the end because he needed a poo.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 5, 2024 11:56:27 GMT
Ok, but (walking into the tunnel) "says a lot about the character of the player/person" is a wierd way of showing it. I'm just sick and tired of some fans shitting on our players, one or two at a time, for reasons that are small change. It has happened to every single player we have, including Burger. Laurent is now in "everyones" first 11 after one good game, while ignoring that Pearson had to cover both for him and Johsnon all of August to November, bar a few games. I'm with you on this. We want to survive in the Championship, but some are prepared to take away what confidence the players have left. Poor so-called supporters. They should be ashamed of themselves. If/when we survive, they'll probably be the same ones who will be jumping on the celebratory bandwagon. Mate I’ve been going Stoke from the age of 6 right up to now n I’m 43 n no one is slagging anyone, I will support us when we’re shit n I’ll support us when we’re good🤷🏼 I’m sure Bens confidence is ok tbh, don’t worry about him flower😁🔴⚪️
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Post by idle on Mar 5, 2024 12:25:39 GMT
In Burgers role? He'll get run over in a second. Also, I disagree he's been playing poorly. According to fotmob.com, his average rating is 0.01pts below Junho. He's not been able to dominate games, but he's been far from our worst player. Smack down the middle of the pack actually. Gooch, who's so highly regarded on here, on the other hand has been way worse. I don’t think he’s been bad at all (nor Gooch). I don’t think he’s had any standout games, which is very disappointing but I don’t think he’s been bad. I think he’d look better if at least one of the central defenders were good in the air. Having 3 of 3 at the back who are at best, average in the air, exposes all of them. Perhaps he left immediately at the end because he needed a poo. Oh, I agree. But it's perhaps more interesting to see what he's done well and not so well. So according to the same site, he's in the top quarter percentile for all passing categories, both short and long accuracy, including crossing. He's 89% at long ball accuracy. He's in the top 6% (94.6%) for recoveries and top 12% for interceptions. At the same time he's in the bottom fifth (17.8%) in duels won, in the bottom half for tackles won, which is disappointing for a defensive midfielder. His aerial prowess is average (at 45%). His shooting is near non-existant, and he's below average in successful dribbles (41%) This doesn't actually sound like a ball winning midfielder to me, it sounds more like a deep laying playmaker's stats. So he's clearly second fiddle to Burger, but would probably do a job in the same position, although with a bit less versatility. Burger actually has worse passing accuracy, but is probably more adventurous with his passes. Still his long ball passing is also worse, so there's that. Burger wins way more duels though.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 5, 2024 12:28:04 GMT
Pearson simply isn’t fit.
Needs to get in shape, he’s easily good enough to be a decent player in this league.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 5, 2024 13:00:33 GMT
I get that some players are frustrating at times, but it always seems like we have to have a boo boy, and Ben Pearson seems to be the current contender. He's really not anywhere near as bad as some people make out. You're right. He's worse... Have a day off.
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 5, 2024 13:16:54 GMT
Pearson simply isn’t fit. Needs to get in shape, he’s easily good enough to be a decent player in this league. Take a look at the pre match warm up. When they stretch their hamstrings and other stretches that involve getting down on your knees both he and Baker do modified exercises standing up. That to me tells me they can't do it because of knee issues. I know Baker had recent knee surgery so that is to be expected to some degree but maybe Pearson has a longer standing issue with his knee?
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 5, 2024 13:20:45 GMT
I don’t think he’s been bad at all (nor Gooch). I don’t think he’s had any standout games, which is very disappointing but I don’t think he’s been bad. I think he’d look better if at least one of the central defenders were good in the air. Having 3 of 3 at the back who are at best, average in the air, exposes all of them. Perhaps he left immediately at the end because he needed a poo. Oh, I agree. But it's perhaps more interesting to see what he's done well and not so well. So according to the same site, he's in the top quarter percentile for all passing categories, both short and long accuracy, including crossing. He's 89% at long ball accuracy. He's in the top 6% (94.6%) for recoveries and top 12% for interceptions. At the same time he's in the bottom fifth (17.8%) in duels won, in the bottom half for tackles won, which is disappointing for a defensive midfielder. His aerial prowess is average (at 45%). His shooting is near non-existant, and he's below average in successful dribbles (41%) This doesn't actually sound like a ball winning midfielder to me, it sounds more like a deep laying playmaker's stats. So he's clearly second fiddle to Burger, but would probably do a job in the same position, although with a bit less versatility. Burger actually has worse passing accuracy, but is probably more adventurous with his passes. Still his long ball passing is also worse, so there's that. Burger wins way more duels though. I wonder if the duels bit is a marker of the change in times. Pearson looks pretty darn similar to when he was playing at Preston. However, fouls and bookings are far easier to collect than 5 years ago. I also wonder if he could work well with Burger in a 4231 next season, if he is moving more to a longer range ball player. That would rely on Bae being an AM (and getting 10+ a season), and bringing in players similar to Manhoef and Junior for our left flank.
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Post by jokker on Mar 5, 2024 17:38:08 GMT
Although one of the reasons Pearson is playing less is he frequently incurs suspensions. True, it's been too many. I read he was known for the occasional red and few yellows before he signed for us. OTOH, we get FKs against and yellow cards for far less than most other teams. If we had played like Huddersfield did against Leeds on Saturday we'd have 4 reds and 7 yellows! We probably have too many clumsy players that get booked. Like Thompson for instance, not at all a dirty player, yet he has been booked ten times in only 23 games, including for showing an imaginary card, which was stupid. But on the other hand if we had been even more cynical we might have stopped some of those late goals that we have specialised in this season. I didn't watch the HUdds game, but apparently it worked for them, they didn't lose/won a precious point.
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Post by jokker on Mar 5, 2024 17:42:59 GMT
Pearson simply isn’t fit. Needs to get in shape, he’s easily good enough to be a decent player in this league. Because he's lost motivation. Without it, he's a no good player in any league.
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