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Post by stokiedan17 on Feb 29, 2024 20:46:46 GMT
He asks the player if he has spoken to head coach about this ? Answer - 'yes'. What happens next? Ask him what the head coach said ?
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Post by march4 on Feb 29, 2024 20:51:56 GMT
Answer - 'yes'. What happens next? Ask him what the head coach said ? Head coach says you are going to play out of position. Player and union rep disagree. DofF has sympathy for player's argument. What happens next?
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Post by stokiedan17 on Feb 29, 2024 21:16:31 GMT
Ask him what the head coach said ? Head coach says you are going to play out of position. Player and union rep disagree. DofF has sympathy for player's argument. What happens next? He has a chat with the head coach about why he wants to play him out of position ?
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Post by Scouse on Feb 29, 2024 21:33:43 GMT
Ask him what the head coach said ? Head coach says you are going to play out of position. Player and union rep disagree. DofF has sympathy for player's argument. What happens next? March you keep pushing The issue is between the HC and the player..if he involves the TD there’s only one winner and it’s not the player If more than just a quick moan the affair would be long drawn out , but ultimately the TD wouldn’t show sympathy , he wouldn’t undermine his HC ..such action is likely to risk the TD facing disciplinary action up to and including dismissal by the board , at every stage he’d remind the player the HC picks the team , not him , eventually though.if the player continued he’d arrange a formal meeting to tell the player in the presence of his agent its the HC role to pick the team not mine , you’re employed as a player your contract doesn’t specify a position or that you must play , if you persist in not listening to me and are insubordinate to me , the HC and members of the senior management team you run the risk of facing formal club disciplinary action as agreed with the PFA and finally if you’re not with us the door is open and I can help facilitate your leaving the club when it’s favourable to the club ..before the formal appointment he’ll have gathered all reports from the departmental heads under his control The player doesn’t win , the TD doesn’t show sympathy and the TD doesn’t allow the player to or attempt to undermine the position between the TD and the HC or any other departmental heads ..worse case scenario the player ends on the naughty step or is transferred Edit : to add only my opinion , but team selection really arnt the TDs domain , when they intrude that’s when you get trouble .. a TD will get involved or advise on cases of bullying , xxx phobia , major discipline cases , social media fallouts involving players and cases leading or threatening to lead to non retention of players or staff in departments under his control because that will be part of his ultimate remit if escalated by department heads , or if he becomes aware of such issues , but straightforward team selection disputes are a minefield hed stay well away from
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 29, 2024 23:04:34 GMT
Head coach says you are going to play out of position. Player and union rep disagree. DofF has sympathy for player's argument. What happens next? March you keep pushing The issue is between the HC and the player..if he involves the TD there’s only one winner and it’s not the player If more than just a quick moan the affair would be long drawn out , but ultimately the TD wouldn’t show sympathy , he wouldn’t undermine his HC ..such action is likely to risk the TD facing disciplinary action up to and including dismissal by the board , at every stage he’d remind the player the HC picks the team , not him , eventually though.if the player continued he’d arrange a formal meeting to tell the player in the presence of his agent its the HC role to pick the team not mine , you’re employed as a player your contract doesn’t specify a position or that you must play , if you persist in not listening to me and are insubordinate to me , the HC and members of the senior management team you run the risk of facing formal club disciplinary action as agreed with the PFA and finally if you’re not with us the door is open and I can help facilitate your leaving the club when it’s favourable to the club ..before the formal appointment he’ll have gathered all reports from the departmental heads under his control The player doesn’t win , the TD doesn’t show sympathy and the TD doesn’t allow the player to or attempt to undermine the position between the TD and the HC or any other departmental heads ..worse case scenario the player ends on the naughty step or is transferred Edit : to add only my opinion , but team selection really arnt the TDs domain , when they intrude that’s when you get trouble .. a TD will get involved or advise on cases of bullying , xxx phobia , major discipline cases , social media fallouts involving players and cases leading or threatening to lead to non retention of players or staff in departments under his control because that will be part of his ultimate remit if escalated by department heads , or if he becomes aware of such issues , but straightforward team selection disputes are a minefield hed stay well away from Spot on. The TD should not sympathise with the player on team selection matters - that would undermine the Head Coach. Also if I were the union rep I'd advise the player not to take the matter up with the TD because what the Head Coach is doing is legitimate in terms of their job description and he would be complicit in trying to undermine the authority of the Head Coach.
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Post by skip on Mar 1, 2024 0:43:02 GMT
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Post by march4 on Mar 1, 2024 9:05:03 GMT
Head coach says you are going to play out of position. Player and union rep disagree. DofF has sympathy for player's argument. What happens next? March you keep pushing The issue is between the HC and the player..if he involves the TD there’s only one winner and it’s not the player If more than just a quick moan the affair would be long drawn out , but ultimately the TD wouldn’t show sympathy , he wouldn’t undermine his HC ..such action is likely to risk the TD facing disciplinary action up to and including dismissal by the board , at every stage he’d remind the player the HC picks the team , not him , eventually though.if the player continued he’d arrange a formal meeting to tell the player in the presence of his agent its the HC role to pick the team not mine , you’re employed as a player your contract doesn’t specify a position or that you must play , if you persist in not listening to me and are insubordinate to me , the HC and members of the senior management team you run the risk of facing formal club disciplinary action as agreed with the PFA and finally if you’re not with us the door is open and I can help facilitate your leaving the club when it’s favourable to the club ..before the formal appointment he’ll have gathered all reports from the departmental heads under his control The player doesn’t win , the TD doesn’t show sympathy and the TD doesn’t allow the player to or attempt to undermine the position between the TD and the HC or any other departmental heads ..worse case scenario the player ends on the naughty step or is transferred Edit : to add only my opinion , but team selection really arnt the TDs domain , when they intrude that’s when you get trouble .. a TD will get involved or advise on cases of bullying , xxx phobia , major discipline cases , social media fallouts involving players and cases leading or threatening to lead to non retention of players or staff in departments under his control because that will be part of his ultimate remit if escalated by department heads , or if he becomes aware of such issues , but straightforward team selection disputes are a minefield hed stay well away from So in your case the head coach is the boss as his word is final. That I can live with.
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Post by Scouse on Mar 1, 2024 11:41:03 GMT
March you keep pushing The issue is between the HC and the player..if he involves the TD there’s only one winner and it’s not the player If more than just a quick moan the affair would be long drawn out , but ultimately the TD wouldn’t show sympathy , he wouldn’t undermine his HC ..such action is likely to risk the TD facing disciplinary action up to and including dismissal by the board , at every stage he’d remind the player the HC picks the team , not him , eventually though.if the player continued he’d arrange a formal meeting to tell the player in the presence of his agent its the HC role to pick the team not mine , you’re employed as a player your contract doesn’t specify a position or that you must play , if you persist in not listening to me and are insubordinate to me , the HC and members of the senior management team you run the risk of facing formal club disciplinary action as agreed with the PFA and finally if you’re not with us the door is open and I can help facilitate your leaving the club when it’s favourable to the club ..before the formal appointment he’ll have gathered all reports from the departmental heads under his control The player doesn’t win , the TD doesn’t show sympathy and the TD doesn’t allow the player to or attempt to undermine the position between the TD and the HC or any other departmental heads ..worse case scenario the player ends on the naughty step or is transferred Edit : to add only my opinion , but team selection really arnt the TDs domain , when they intrude that’s when you get trouble .. a TD will get involved or advise on cases of bullying , xxx phobia , major discipline cases , social media fallouts involving players and cases leading or threatening to lead to non retention of players or staff in departments under his control because that will be part of his ultimate remit if escalated by department heads , or if he becomes aware of such issues , but straightforward team selection disputes are a minefield hed stay well away from So in your case the head coach is the boss as his word is final. That I can live with. only as I see it , others may have different opinions Yes the HC is in charge of day to day 1st team affairs , including selection , just as other department heads are responsible for the organising of things under their area he chooses the team , the tactics , he instructs his coaches on training drills , what day to train , what day to rest ,, checking on oppositions strengths and weaknesses using the information provided by the other on-field departments ( sports scientists , analyst , physios , football admin ( to ensure he doesn’t pick a player suspended due to red cards ) to make informed choices ..he’s also the clubs main spokesman to the press , not least to ensure there’s no undermining of his department ..if there’s anything bad to be said hes the one to say it ( or not , usually press statements hold the party line ..behind the scenes his troops maybe rebelling the HC won’t admit that publicly ) Whether that model exactly fits Stoke I don’t know , there are variations on the theme style of play and a clubs DNA should be set historically and by the owners and become evident to all concerned during the recruitment process of the HC ..technical help choosing a HC that meets those expectations is ( should be ) given to the board by the TD ..the TD should be doing the technical questioning at interview stage ..no different to how outside industries operate with a selection panel Interestingly SJW has spoken about the clubs DNA recently .. due to the numerous changes we’ve had I suggest that’s one of the issues , we don’t have one ..and are forever ripping up and starting again , rather than stick to a system and fine tune An example , Liverpool wouldn't employ TP as 1st team coach / manager ..not because he’s a bad bloke , but because their clubs DNA and squad since the early 60s has been based on a possession model of pass and move with a press , with all players expected to have excellent technical ability and be comfortable on the ball ..they’d need to do a 1B+ squad rebuild to play TPs way and get the same or better results both home and abroad , they just wouldn’t change to get rid and long ball as their primary tactic ..not least because the fans wouldn’t tolerate such a change from day 1 ..Liverpool though tend to give more power to Klopp ...though less so than Roger’s who reportedly didn’t like the system Liverpool used One advantage of the DoF /TD system should be they oversea all the ancillary on field departments , analysts , physios , sports scientists etc which are ( should ) be easier to get right than the HCs area of responsibility ( results ) , using best practice within the sports industry including football specific were appropriate , by employing staff with the right skill sets , experience and qualifications .. effectively he takes all the noise away from the HC allowing him to get on with the task of getting results Its not a one fit all as I posted earlier ..and some managers / HC are more accepting of this ‘loss of power/ control’ ..when they want a new player they need to go to the TD rather than straight to the board ..though I suspect as new HC enter the industry and have grown up with this system there’ll be a greater acceptance and less conflicts There’s clearly grey areas , eg perhaps a club wishes ( needs ) to sell a player and the HC doesn’t ..sometimes these are smoothed over and accepted , sometimes they’re not ..when they’re not someone generally leaves
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Post by dirtclod on Mar 1, 2024 12:36:18 GMT
Wish there were multiple "like" buttons. Didn't realize that Super Jon has had a Crouchie permanently installed. No wonder he's still in some sort of shape, carrying all that around everywhere.
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 1, 2024 14:06:16 GMT
I've never personally heard of a technical director having the entire playing staff in for a team meeting to galvanize everyone that's a sign that Schuey has been deemed unable to get a tune out of the players so JW has had to step in. Now he's on Radio Stoke's twitter page giving a galvanizing interview again something I'd expect of the manager/head coach not the technical director. Has the 'change' already been made and JC has marginalized Schuey without sacking him to spare his own blushes? The same question can be asked of any DOF appointed. Who's responsible for team selection, tactics and has the final say on transfers?
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Post by idle on Mar 1, 2024 14:17:43 GMT
Wish there were multiple "like" buttons. Didn't realize that Super Jon has had a Crouchie permanently installed. No wonder he's still in some sort of shape, carrying all that around everywhere. That's a genuine Crouchie Robot? Must be heavy with all that titanium!
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Post by peepin on Mar 2, 2024 9:23:03 GMT
It’s about as abnormal as you would come to expect now for this club. There is no other way of reading this decision other than they believe that Schumacher has lost the fans support, the team has lost the fans support so they have got an ex player in who they know would run through brick walls for the team in the hope that the fans are now going to support the team.
They will receive a response from the fans so it will be mission accomplished but on the back of an ex players merit, not because of the players at 3pm….It feels false as fuck.
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Post by pushon on Mar 2, 2024 13:54:53 GMT
I assume that the players agent is closely involved with any issues regarding disagreement. Surely that's his job?
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 2, 2024 19:02:23 GMT
No complaints I take it today about Walters call to arms. The ground was loud, the players gave everything. Looks like it worked.
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