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Post by Squeekster on Feb 28, 2024 23:25:30 GMT
It’s our fault we don’t cheer and fill the place with noise don’t you know. If we did the players would be amazing. Yep fans to blame🙄 I do believe as I said in other thread that the players we have are fragile for whatever reason they are, and we do send out negative vibes and tension onto the pitch, which is understandable but does the players confidence no good at all. I know, I mean I pay good money every week to watch them from my 30k salary a year and they need me to motivate them to do their job they get paid 30k a week for, I blame myself I really do.
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 28, 2024 23:29:18 GMT
Yes thanks it’s very clear to me. I’m really not sure what you’re struggling with. So who is the leader? A. JC, B. SJW, C. SS, D. Penry, the mild mannered janitor, E. none of the above I'm going hong kong fuey loved that!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 28, 2024 23:29:28 GMT
There's a lot of cringe in that interview and I'm not sure what he's doing will work but I guess we're down to the scraping of barrels.
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Post by march4 on Feb 28, 2024 23:38:37 GMT
So who is the leader? A. JC, B. SJW, C. SS, D. Penry, the mild mannered janitor, E. none of the above SS is leader of the first team football squad. That’s all that matters for the next 12 games. So what is SJW’s job? Why did he give the players the big leadership speech when he was appointed? It is a complete mishmash.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 28, 2024 23:43:27 GMT
In answer to the OP - yes. That is how a managerial structure of Technical Director and Head Coach is supposed to work.
Anyone who doesn't get that effectively wants us to resort to a god manager.
Which is fine.
But there isn't a single club at the top of the football pyramid that works that way anymore.
So good luck 👍
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Post by alsager58 on Feb 28, 2024 23:46:23 GMT
For gods sake Squeekster / Mundane Derek in your 30k a year job you chose that role, for god sale liven up and support SS . Dont forget your sandwiches in the morning - Jesus liven up - you will have your 2 week caravan holiday in Rhyl soon to look forward to
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Post by alsager58 on Feb 28, 2024 23:48:29 GMT
Wakefield Stokie please call the Samaritans asap and take Squeekster / Mundane Derek with you
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 29, 2024 0:00:10 GMT
For gods sake Squeekster / Mundane Derek in your 30k a year job you chose that role, for god sale liven up and support SS . Dont forget your sandwiches in the morning - Jesus liven up - you will have your 2 week caravan holiday in Rhyl soon to look forward to I would also like to point out that those footballers chose that job, my jobs not mundane I'm a brain surgeon for the NHS and I'm on a diet so I won't be partaking in sandwiches, also I will not be going to Rhyl when I have Bathpool park right on my door step, oh and I think I may of seen a name similar to yours on my lobotomy list. PS never said I'm not behind the manager and we'll all be cheering them on Saturday!
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Post by andystokey on Feb 29, 2024 0:13:36 GMT
SS is leader of the first team football squad. That’s all that matters for the next 12 games. So what is SJW’s job? Why did he give the players the big leadership speech when he was appointed? It is a complete mishmash. It's how hierarchies work, I can't see the problem if a rank above talks to the troops, it's been pretty normal in my working life.
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Post by ceejays on Feb 29, 2024 0:24:02 GMT
And what pray would you do MR KNOW IT ALL I said what I’d do 6 years ago. [/. I bow to your superior knowledge. Just fuck off up the vale you knob
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 29, 2024 4:35:03 GMT
I'm struggling here with this whole Walters thingy.
Near the end of his Stoke career didn't he show a little attitude towards the club regarding renewing his contract?
Regarding this rallying cry where he somehow has this 'connection' with the supporters didn't he openly state that he was a conservative supporter (no problems with his political choices) but I'd say that's about as much of a disconnection with the people of Stoke as you could possibly be.
I may be off track here but I'm struggling with the whole thing like I say.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 29, 2024 7:07:56 GMT
Not sure how it works with the club saying they are undertaking a thorough process for the new TD. How does it work, if Walters is a large part of this, when he may have aspirations for the job himself?.
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Post by idle on Feb 29, 2024 7:18:15 GMT
Getting the fans on board will depend on the players and manager. If we have some sensible team selections and obvious effort and desire on the pitch, we'll get behind them and hopefully roar them to safety. That's all we've been waiting for. But if we keep getting daft team selections and systems that we clearly haven't got the players for, and keep seeing incredibly basic mistakes and painful lack of quality then the apathy, bordering on outright anger will remain and possibly escalate. The ball is in the players' and manager's court. It is but there is nothing we can do about managers selections (nobody ever all agree no matter what team or formation he plays) we can't stop players making mistakes if they are not quite good enough or low on confidence ( these same players would be good if we were closer to the top of the division) all we can do at this moment is SUPPORT and have UNITY not perfect but what else can we do? And even then, most look at the player selection before the game and accept it. Everyone wanted Junior to start at RB before Cardiff and his mistake, Hoever had improved defensively both as RB and RCB before his mistake vs. Cov, (almost) everyone wanted Wilmot back in the team ASAP before Sunderland/Leicester, everyone wanted a new goalie to replace Bonham, the list is endless. But I agree, Schuey needs to pick a formation, pick a first 11, and stick with it as much as possible. Preferably a defensive, grafting one.
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Post by gutted on Feb 29, 2024 7:19:28 GMT
For gods sake Squeekster / Mundane Derek in your 30k a year job you chose that role, for god sale liven up and support SS . Dont forget your sandwiches in the morning - Jesus liven up - you will have your 2 week caravan holiday in Rhyl soon to look forward to I would also like to point out that those footballers chose that job, my jobs not mundane I'm a brain surgeon for the NHS and I'm on a diet so I won't be partaking in sandwiches, also I will not be going to Rhyl when I have Bathpool park right on my door step, oh and I think I may of seen a name similar to yours on my lobotomy list. PS never said I'm not behind the manager and we'll all be cheering them on Saturday! 30k a year you said earlier, a brain surgeon you said... Yeah ok sweetheart, brain surgeons earn A LOT more than that. I'm a building site labourer and earn nearly that much a year
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Post by westlandstokie on Feb 29, 2024 7:34:41 GMT
That clip is interesting. Walters has told the players how it is, what to do and what not to do. What does Schumacher say now? "Yeah lads, listen to Jon?" I feel for him. I feel for SS too…he obviously didn’t realise what a shit show he was walking into and in my mind this appointment and SJW’s words and hero status with the fans must surely undermine his position…let’s just all stick together and get this shitty season over and done with and then we can all have a nice relaxing summer lol.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 29, 2024 7:37:21 GMT
In his Sentinel piece he is asking that the fans "Give me 10 minutes" of an atmosphere. Am I singing Jon Walters Red and White army or Steve Schumacher's Red and White army? I'm confused. Coates has pulled an absolute trick and a half here. The "manager" is in an awful position. If we win on Saturday is it down to the coach or the temporary Technical Directors rallying call? If I was Schumacher and Walters managed to galvanise the players to play their hearts out till the end of the season and get results which saved my job I would be highly delighted. Have some people on here not heard of the concept of working together? I don't think people understand this new structure and have said it for quite some time now. I can't remember many, if any of these Technical Director types in the game that come down to the shop floor, arrange meetings with players around motivational issues and then openly admit it in a public domain. The way I see it working is they speak from an overarching position and talk vertically about the Academy to the first team and laterally from the recruitment thru analytics to the Sport Science team and yes, work WITH the manager to support him through those channels, make process changes and enhancements that make his job easier in every facet of his job. A higher level negotiator and facilitator that creates a pathway between the manager and the owners and provides updates to the owners on how their vision of a club is being implemented and managed. Like you say, working together as a team. What Walters has done here isn't that though, but I get it. People are desperate, the club is desperate and they are all throwing muck at the wall and hoping it sticks. Fans are desperate for anything to work and will happy clap behind it. Totally understand that. It's quite clearly chaos. Maybe it works, sometimes chaos does work.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 29, 2024 7:54:10 GMT
I think many of the players from our PL era are in a position to give a motivational’inspirational talk. SJW, Whelan, Shawcross to name a few, they all played there guts out for the club. It might sound crass in this day and age of players earning thousands a week who shouldn’t need any motivation but reminding them who they are playing for, the connection between the club and the community and the effect of another relegation may work. A lot will depend on how many of the current squad expect to be moved on in the summer and won’t give a toss.
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Post by Gods on Feb 29, 2024 8:09:49 GMT
In answer to the OP - yes. That is how a managerial structure of Technical Director and Head Coach is supposed to work. Anyone who doesn't get that effectively wants us to resort to a god manager. Which is fine. But there isn't a single club at the top of the football pyramid that works that way anymore. So good luck 👍 It's not the structure under question, everyone understands that. Its the Technical Director delivering the 'call to arms' direct to the players. Which some would say usurped the authority of the manager. I dont particularly have an opinion on this but it's a different argument.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 29, 2024 8:19:41 GMT
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Post by stokiedan17 on Feb 29, 2024 8:21:11 GMT
I'm struggling here with this whole Walters thingy. Near the end of his Stoke career didn't he show a little attitude towards the club regarding renewing his contract? Regarding this rallying cry where he somehow has this 'connection' with the supporters didn't he openly state that he was a conservative supporter (no problems with his political choices) but I'd say that's about as much of a disconnection with the people of Stoke as you could possibly be. I may be off track here but I'm struggling with the whole thing like I say. I mean I think his political views are completely irrelevant when you’re talking about commitment and passion to the club when he was a player. However if you wanted to go that way don’t we currently have a conservative MP for stoke which requires the majority of stoke to vote for? Also IIRC didn’t hughes take up the option to ship him out and not renew his contact because he wanted an “upgrade”?
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 29, 2024 8:23:02 GMT
Wakefield Stokie please call the Samaritans asap and take Squeekster / Mundane Derek with you
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 29, 2024 8:35:16 GMT
I would also like to point out that those footballers chose that job, my jobs not mundane I'm a brain surgeon for the NHS and I'm on a diet so I won't be partaking in sandwiches, also I will not be going to Rhyl when I have Bathpool park right on my door step, oh and I think I may of seen a name similar to yours on my lobotomy list. PS never said I'm not behind the manager and we'll all be cheering them on Saturday! 30k a year you said earlier, a brain surgeon you said... Yeah ok sweetheart, brain surgeons earn A LOT more than that. I'm a building site labourer and earn nearly that much a year So we’re now picking holes on what people earn🤷🏼🤦🏼♂️😂 ffs my dicks bigger than yours
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Post by alsager58 on Feb 29, 2024 9:01:07 GMT
The negativity on here is unreal, we have SJW giving a passionate call to arms as part of the SCFC Team environment or would you want Trickys Pillars of Strength presentation. Make your mind up quickly because Saturdays 2 days away !!!!!
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Post by knype on Feb 29, 2024 9:06:05 GMT
The negativity on here is unreal, we have SJW giving a passionate call to arms as part of the SCFC Team environment or would you want Trickys Pillars of Strength presentation. Make your mind up quickly because Saturdays 2 days away !!!!! Spot on...
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Post by werrington on Feb 29, 2024 9:08:34 GMT
^THIS^ Comical, Schumacher basically sat in the corner with a colouring book why the grown ups talk about football. “You can have a freddo when the adults have finished talking Steven, now draw me a nice picture” So why didn’t Macari do the same when Overson delivered his speech? We get you don’t like him but cmon eh stop seeing stuff that just isn’t there
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 29, 2024 9:22:10 GMT
I would also like to point out that those footballers chose that job, my jobs not mundane I'm a brain surgeon for the NHS and I'm on a diet so I won't be partaking in sandwiches, also I will not be going to Rhyl when I have Bathpool park right on my door step, oh and I think I may of seen a name similar to yours on my lobotomy list. PS never said I'm not behind the manager and we'll all be cheering them on Saturday! 30k a year you said earlier, a brain surgeon you said... Yeah ok sweetheart, brain surgeons earn A LOT more than that. I'm a building site labourer and earn nearly that much a year Got any jobs going? Could do with something less taxing!
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Feb 29, 2024 9:39:05 GMT
Why does everybody assume Walters geeing up the players and fans is undermining to Schumacher? For all we know it was Schumacher, a fellow Evertonian, who was instrumental in bringing Walters in for just this purpose?
There's plenty cause for despair at the way this club has fared in recent years, let's not invent new ones, eh?
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 29, 2024 9:44:01 GMT
Mate you could tell the divs all day long n they still won’t understand 🤦🏼♂️
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Post by march4 on Feb 29, 2024 9:45:24 GMT
So what is SJW’s job? Why did he give the players the big leadership speech when he was appointed? It is a complete mishmash. It's how hierarchies work, I can't see the problem if a rank above talks to the troops, it's been pretty normal in my working life. A ‘rank above’. So SJW is the leader? Where does that leave the subordinate SS?
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Post by werrington on Feb 29, 2024 9:48:11 GMT
It's how hierarchies work, I can't see the problem if a rank above talks to the troops, it's been pretty normal in my working life. A ‘rank above’. So SJW is the leader? Where does that leave the subordinate SS? The same as Pulis when everybody got behind pottermouth Did that mean he couldn’t motivate? Grow up all of yer ffs
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