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Post by march4 on Feb 25, 2024 23:05:00 GMT
So you're saying that there'd be not one person or entity in the entire world who'd be interested in purchasing Stoke City FC? Can you explain how you can be so certain of this that you (and many others) repeat it as if it is immutable fact? Didn't think so. Tell us someone who would ? Precisely. Norman Smurthwaite?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 25, 2024 23:09:12 GMT
So how do they identify who should give them the outside help to help identify and interview the best possible candidates? With respect, I think it's your position that is actually bizarre. The process surely has to begin with a personnel decision made by the Coates family. No it doesn’t. The family just need to find out which are the best / most expensive recruitment consultants in the world (I’m sure Denise would help John with that) and turn over the whole recruitment process for CEO and DOF to them and then pay their bill at the end of the process. I assume you are being sarcastic, hard to tell on here sometimes? 😁
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Post by i1da on Feb 25, 2024 23:25:55 GMT
This thread is not intended as a criticism of those who believe that the current ownership, it is merely trying to provide some counter arguments to some of the points that are often made in their favour. . Or as mentioned in the previous point, there would be people willing to buy the club based on the aforementioned history and reputation of the club. Hopefully that changes a few peoples minds, in terms of what should be done next, questions need to be asked about the board at every opportunity, fans forums, praise and grumble and during matchdays, failing that it might time to bring out the old SOS banners again. All conjecture. For every point you make, counterpoints could be made, but the weirdest thing is the last 2 points, highlighted above. Why "Hopefully change a few people's minds? Are you trying to start a revolt against the owners? Because they don't do things the way you would? (Thank heavens). "People willing to buy" Stoke. Yes, look how many were queueing up to buy the club previously. 9 times out of ten a new buyer ends up in an absolute shit show. For every Chelski there are 10 QPR's, Port Vales, et al. No thanks, I personally think that the current owners are much more kindly disposed towards the club, the fans, as well as the people of Stoke. You can keep your "someone willing to buy". Perhaps we can find "someone" to do a "Derek Dougan" for us? Or perhaps you were thinking more of a Sam Hammam type?
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Post by stokieinlondon on Feb 25, 2024 23:26:07 GMT
This thread is not intended as a criticism of those who believe that the current ownership, it is merely trying to provide some counter arguments to some of the points that are often made in their favour. 1. They are local supporters/care about the areaThis is in theory an ideal quality in an owner, however it does not equate to success. Additionally the horrendous running of the football club will have a detrimental impact on the area. Job losses and wage cuts for those within the club will follow our relegation as well as a loss of income for businesses that rely on a matchday e.t.c 2. They pump money into the clubThis means nothing when the money is spent badly, plenty of clubs with smaller resources than us do much better things on and off the pitch than we do because they have a strategy. A less wealthy owner would not necessarily equate to lack of success 3. We would be in League 2/another Bury/not exist without the Coates familyThis is probably the most bizarre argument. In our history we have spent 8 seasons in the 3rd tier. (2 of these relegations occurred under the Coates family) Historically we are a bottom half prem/top half championship side, there is nothing to suggest that if the Coates family did not own the club that we would be in the lower reaches of the EFL. 4. Without them we would be in financial trouble, just look at the clubs debt! This has been entirely self inflicted by the ownerships lack of strategy. Allowing managers and technical directors to spend millions and millions of pounds without any clear plan has led to the issues we faced with financial fair play. John Coates seems to be banking a lot of our future plans on changes to the FFP rules, can someone name any other business that would operate in the hope of a law or regulation change? In fairness it is a valid concern that any change in ownership would result in some financial worries, especially given any new owners would have to buy the club and the stadium as seperate assets (who was responsible for selling the ground again?) 5. Who would want to buy Stoke?This argument does a massive disservice to the history and potential of the club. We are the second oldest professional club in world football, we have had some of the greats of English football wear the red and white stripes, we are known the world over in a way that most other clubs in our division are not(some might laugh at this, but Im currently living in South East Asia, if you mention our name everyone knows about the delap throw in and the cold windy night in stoke e.t.c.) We play in a proud working class area with a rich culture and history and with success would come a fervent support and 30,000 crowds every week. 6. But they back the managersThis is true, financially at least, however none of these managers have been given a structure to operate in successfully. Every manager since 2018 has failed at the club, that is not just bad luck that comes from a lack of vision and strategy at boardroom level. If you think all the managers are crap managers, then who has been appointing them? 7. Even if this is all true, John Coates won't sack himself, what do you suggest?The owners often talk about their love of the area, then they should recognise what they are doing to its football club. There are plenty of options, bringing on board a minority shareholder with knowledge of football and how to operate successfully, retaining full control but bringing in an independent consultancy to audit the club and pinpoint the areas for improvement. Bringing in an independent Director of football to run the football side of things. Or as mentioned in the previous point, there would be people willing to buy the club based on the aforementioned history and reputation of the club. Hopefully that changes a few peoples minds, in terms of what should be done next, questions need to be asked about the board at every opportunity, fans forums, praise and grumble and during matchdays, failing that it might time to bring out the old SOS banners again. “We are the second oldest professional club in world football” Who cares? On this basis there’d be massive interest in owning Notts County.
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Post by i1da on Feb 25, 2024 23:27:46 GMT
Exactly. Surely they would wipe the debts? I think you're being massively presumptuous on that one. And really I don't think emotional blackmail is going to work with them. What do I think? I think we have to accept the reality of the situation. Our owners are absolutely minted but they're utterly dreadful at running a football club but now we've got to a point where we're in a financial position that gives us no opportunity for a change. We have to hope that one day they will get their manager and recruitment appointments right and they will then use their untold wealth to capitalise on those appointments but until that time, sadly, it is what it is.
It is what it is? Would you be saying the same if we slip down to league 2? Because I genuinely don’t trust them to get league one any different than they have the championship. They’ll just throw more money at more shit thinking it’s the answer. Do we just sit idly by and watch it happen, like we are now? In a word, YES. You don't know what you are asking for.
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Post by i1da on Feb 25, 2024 23:34:42 GMT
I actually used the word S-A-D-L-Y, so why would you attempt to put words into my mouth? Nobody is happy about the continual decline of the club but some of us understand the reality of the situation. There isn't an alternative and you don't have a credible plan for one either.
We up the pressure, we become vocal. We make them realise they need help. Instead of sitting here clapping hands lapping it up being forever grateful cos they give us free travel and freeze ticket prices. They say "Bloody ungrateful hooligans" slam their purse shut and the 8,000 that carry on supporting the club are back to hoping we can sign the likes of Kyle Lightbourne. No thanks, I'd rather give the current manager the chance to get rid of the spineless "unfit to wear the shirt" crowd that has infected our team for the last 8-9 years and stick to his principles.
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Post by i1da on Feb 25, 2024 23:37:17 GMT
I just can’t see how we’re an investment opportunity for anyone: - a club that has never made a profit worth mentioning. - has lost the current owners £140 million and survives only because of their largess and intense interest. - doesn’t own the stadium, which is ageing with no proper transport links in place. - is the fifth oldest club but has only ever won one trophy. - has no real player assets. - has some of the worlds biggest clubs on its doorstep. - is based in a economically depressed small city with two clubs. - has no global brand presence. - has no prospect of gates much beyond £30k. The only businessman that would buy this club is by definition a bad one. Either naively incompetent or looking to strip whatever small value may exist. At the moment we got 99 problems but some cash ain’t one. If they sell we’ve got a hundred. Resources is the single most important factor in every successful football club in the long run. It lets you make mistakes and still survive. Doesn’t mean I’m happy with the way the club has been run since 2012 but we’ve got to live in the real world. Best post of the thread IMO.
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Post by i1da on Feb 25, 2024 23:41:22 GMT
From established Premier League club to League One in seven years. It is a shame that Netflix did not come knocking on our door! 😅 The season is not over yet!
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Post by skip on Feb 25, 2024 23:50:47 GMT
Disagree. Stoke City is an unbelievably strong 'brand' but it hasn't been capitalised on at all well. A classic case of the owners not realising what they've got. Someone yawping about "the Mighty Potters" over the public address system before kick off and employing someone with an Adobe CC licence to knock out some social media content isn't brand management, it's window dressing.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 0:19:29 GMT
We up the pressure, we become vocal. We make them realise they need help. Instead of sitting here clapping hands lapping it up being forever grateful cos they give us free travel and freeze ticket prices. They say "Bloody ungrateful hooligans" slam their purse shut and the 8,000 that carry on supporting the club are back to hoping we can sign the likes of Kyle Lightbourne. No thanks, I'd rather give the current manager the chance to get rid of the spineless "unfit to wear the shirt" crowd that has infected our team for the last 8-9 years and stick to his principles. Where did I say sack the manager? This is the problem with you lot you don’t actually listen to anything anyone is saying. They need to appoint a ceo and a sporting director. Where have I said sack Schumacher?
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Post by independent on Feb 26, 2024 0:23:38 GMT
So how do they identify who should give them the outside help to help identify and interview the best possible candidates? With respect, I think it's your position that is actually bizarre. The process surely has to begin with a personnel decision made by the Coates family. No it doesn’t. The family just need to find out which are the best / most expensive recruitment consultants in the world (I’m sure Denise would help John with that) and turn over the whole recruitment process for CEO and DOF to them and then pay their bill at the end of the process. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as that. Are you really suggesting that the Coates would have no say in the candidates selected for the 2 posts, and then no say in the manager they appoint. Similarly if the manager they appointed turns out to be a failure/ less successsful than we had hoped then again the DOF would decide when and by whom he would be replaced. Meanwhile the Coates would be expected to just pay the bills for a manager that they never wanted or had any faith in, and then pay the cost of getting rid of him and his team. Team Managers build successful teams not a board of directors. Picking the right manager is not easy. Silva is successful at Fulham but failed at Everton. West Ham had to ask Moyes back after his successor failed. Palace appointed Viera and then had to ask Hodgson to return. Emery is a big success at Villa having been let go at Arsenal. As I said picking the right manager is not easy. How many attempts should the new CEO and DOF get before we call in the recruitment consultants again.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 0:36:37 GMT
No it doesn’t. The family just need to find out which are the best / most expensive recruitment consultants in the world (I’m sure Denise would help John with that) and turn over the whole recruitment process for CEO and DOF to them and then pay their bill at the end of the process. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as that. Are you really suggesting that the Coates would have no say in the candidates selected for the 2 posts, and then no say in the manager they appoint. Similarly if the manager they appointed turns out to be a failure/ less successsful than we had hoped then again the DOF would decide when and by whom he would be replaced. Meanwhile the Coates would be expected to just pay the bills for a manager that they never wanted or had any faith in, and then pay the cost of getting rid of him and his team. Team Managers build successful teams not a board of directors. Picking the right manager is not easy. Silva is successful at Fulham but failed at Everton. West Ham had to ask Moyes back after his successor failed. Palace appointed Viera and then had to ask Hodgson to return. Emery is a big success at Villa having been let go at Arsenal. As I said picking the right manager is not easy. How many attempts should the new CEO and DOF get before we call in the recruitment consultants again. It’s literally how modern day football clubs are ran though. I listed a load the other day after being challenged on it. Why do people struggle so hard to grasp this fact. Seems like so many are stuck in 2008. Just like this city.
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Post by independent on Feb 26, 2024 0:38:44 GMT
Which club was sold a few years ago after the owner generously cancelled all their debts and sold up. Maybe the Coates would do the same if they really wanted out. A club is only worth what someone will pay for it and our debts would have to be written off to make a sale possible. If you think picking a manager is important, then picking a new owner is a decision that must be got right. The very survival of the club is at stake. Getting it wrong could cripple us for 20 years.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 0:44:23 GMT
Which club was sold a few years ago after the owner generously cancelled all their debts and sold up. Maybe the Coates would do the same if they really wanted out. A club is only worth what someone will pay for it and our debts would have to be written off to make a sale possible. If you think picking a manager is important, then picking a new owner is a decision that must be got right. The very survival of the club is at stake. Getting it wrong could cripple us for 20 years. The current lot have crippled us for nigh on 10 years and counting so what’s the difference?😂
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Post by i1da on Feb 26, 2024 0:44:46 GMT
They say "Bloody ungrateful hooligans" slam their purse shut and the 8,000 that carry on supporting the club are back to hoping we can sign the likes of Kyle Lightbourne. No thanks, I'd rather give the current manager the chance to get rid of the spineless "unfit to wear the shirt" crowd that has infected our team for the last 8-9 years and stick to his principles. Where did I say sack the manager? This is the problem with you lot you don’t actually listen to anything anyone is saying. They need to appoint a ceo and a sporting director. Where have I said sack Schumacher? Where have I said you said "sack the manager" This is the problem with you lot, you don't actually listen to anything anyone is saying.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 0:47:22 GMT
Where did I say sack the manager? This is the problem with you lot you don’t actually listen to anything anyone is saying. They need to appoint a ceo and a sporting director. Where have I said sack Schumacher? Where have I said you said "sack the manager" This is the problem with you lot, you don't actually listen to anything anyone is saying. You said “I’d rather give the current manager the chance” by which implying I’d said get rid. When the debate has nothing to do with the manager but what goes on above him.
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Post by independent on Feb 26, 2024 0:47:59 GMT
Unfortunately, it's not as simple as that. Are you really suggesting that the Coates would have no say in the candidates selected for the 2 posts, and then no say in the manager they appoint. Similarly if the manager they appointed turns out to be a failure/ less successsful than we had hoped then again the DOF would decide when and by whom he would be replaced. Meanwhile the Coates would be expected to just pay the bills for a manager that they never wanted or had any faith in, and then pay the cost of getting rid of him and his team. Team Managers build successful teams not a board of directors. Picking the right manager is not easy. Silva is successful at Fulham but failed at Everton. West Ham had to ask Moyes back after his successor failed. Palace appointed Viera and then had to ask Hodgson to return. Emery is a big success at Villa having been let go at Arsenal. As I said picking the right manager is not easy. How many attempts should the new CEO and DOF get before we call in the recruitment consultants again. It’s literally how modern day football clubs are ran though. I listed a load the other day after being challenged on it. Why do people struggle so hard to grasp this fact. Seems like so many are stuck in 2008. Just like this city. I missed the list and I would be grateful if you would list them again. I am not a Luddite but I think the faults in a lot of new structures may only become obvious after a period of time. Remember only 2 Premier clubs made a profit last year and Chelsea and Forest must have taken on massive debts and future committments. If every club in the Premier league was structured in the way that you suggest, 3 of them would still finish on the bottom.
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Post by i1da on Feb 26, 2024 0:49:07 GMT
Which club was sold a few years ago after the owner generously cancelled all their debts and sold up. Maybe the Coates would do the same if they really wanted out. A club is only worth what someone will pay for it and our debts would have to be written off to make a sale possible. If you think picking a manager is important, then picking a new owner is a decision that must be got right. The very survival of the club is at stake. Getting it wrong could cripple us for 20 years. The current lot have crippled us for nigh on 10 years and counting so what’s the difference?😂 Clearly you seem to think that Stoke's history began in the Premiership. The Coates family delivered 10 of the best years supporting Stoke. Football is cyclical. We are in a lean patch. We will return to the Prem sooner or later. As we have done (top flight) throughout our entire history. We will fall backj again. As we have done throughout our history.
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Post by i1da on Feb 26, 2024 0:50:17 GMT
Where have I said you said "sack the manager" This is the problem with you lot, you don't actually listen to anything anyone is saying. You said “I’d rather give the current manager the chance” by which implying I’d said get rid. When the debate has nothing to do with the manager but what goes on above him. No, I'm saying what I'd prefer. Not get rid of owners and give incumbent a decent chance. Goodnight.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 0:54:01 GMT
The current lot have crippled us for nigh on 10 years and counting so what’s the difference?😂 Clearly you seem to think that Stoke's history began in the Premiership. The Coates family delivered 10 of the best years supporting Stoke. Football is cyclical. We are in a lean patch. We will return to the Prem sooner or later. As we have done (top flight) throughout our entire history. We will fall backj again. As we have done throughout our history. How the fuck have you come to that conclusion?😂😂 Am I wrong that we’ve been in terminal decline for 7 years despite having some of the richest owners in the country?
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 0:56:00 GMT
It’s literally how modern day football clubs are ran though. I listed a load the other day after being challenged on it. Why do people struggle so hard to grasp this fact. Seems like so many are stuck in 2008. Just like this city. I missed the list and I would be grateful if you would list them again. I am not a Luddite but I think the faults in a lot of new structures may only become obvious after a period of time. Remember only 2 Premier clubs made a profit last year and Chelsea and Forest must have taken on massive debts and future committments. If every club in the Premier league was structured in the way that you suggest, 3 of them would still finish on the bottom. Man City, Arsenal etc all are ran this way. I was then asked for an example or two in this league of which I think 5 of the current top 6 have CEO’s and a sporting director. I don’t bother to look any lower than that because the proof was In the pudding.
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Post by independent on Feb 26, 2024 1:51:24 GMT
I missed the list and I would be grateful if you would list them again. I am not a Luddite but I think the faults in a lot of new structures may only become obvious after a period of time. Remember only 2 Premier clubs made a profit last year and Chelsea and Forest must have taken on massive debts and future committments. If every club in the Premier league was structured in the way that you suggest, 3 of them would still finish on the bottom. Man City, Arsenal etc all are ran this way. I was then asked for an example or two in this league of which I think 5 of the current top 6 have CEO’s and a sporting director. I don’t bother to look any lower than that because the proof was In the pudding. Thanks.I understand why you stopped with the top 6. I'm not sure that it proves a lot as the Top 5 wage bills are virtually the same : 1. Leicester City – £60,190,000 2. Southampton – £40,014,000 3. Leeds United – £39,513,000 4. Norwich City – £24,196,000 5. West Bromwich Albion – £23,060,000 Wasn't it said of WBA last year, when they took out a loan (at high interest rate) that if they didn't get promotion in 23/24 at the latest, that they would be in major financial trouble. Hopefully, their sale has removed that pressure, but who knows? Sheffield Utd. escaped disaster by getting promoted last year, but who knows what relegation will bring them. I don't know whether they have a DOF or not but I don't see how that will make a great deal of difference. I think that I understand the undoubted benefit that a DOF can bring by helping with financial controls and identifying transfer targets and spreading the workload, allowing the manager to concentrate on coaching. I am not so sure of his ability to dictate a style of play and sign players that will suit it. Bigger clubs have a bigger range of players that they can sign. Smaller clubs, no matter how good their DOF is,may still find it impossible to sign the quality that they require to play the style of football they wish. Money is dictating everything now. Would our transfer dealings have been any worse if the manager alone had looked after them? Who knows?
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 26, 2024 1:55:13 GMT
Man City, Arsenal etc all are ran this way. I was then asked for an example or two in this league of which I think 5 of the current top 6 have CEO’s and a sporting director. I don’t bother to look any lower than that because the proof was In the pudding. Thanks.I understand why you stopped with the top 6. I'm not sure that it proves a lot as the Top 5 wage bills are virtually the same : 1. Leicester City – £60,190,000 2. Southampton – £40,014,000 3. Leeds United – £39,513,000 4. Norwich City – £24,196,000 5. West Bromwich Albion – £23,060,000 Wasn't it said of WBA last year, when they took out a loan (at high interest rate) that if they didn't get promotion in 23/24 at the latest, that they would be in major financial trouble. Hopefully, their sale has removed that pressure, but who knows? Sheffield Utd. escaped disaster by getting promoted last year, but who knows what relegation will bring them. I don't know whether they have a DOF or not but I don't see how that will make a great deal of difference. I think that I understand the undoubted benefit that a DOF can bring by helping with financial controls and identifying transfer targets and spreading the workload, allowing the manager to concentrate on coaching. I am not so sure of his ability to dictate a style of play and sign players that will suit it. Bigger clubs have a bigger range of players that they can sign. Smaller clubs, no matter how good their DOF is,may still find it impossible to sign the quality that they require to play the style of football they wish. Money is dictating everything now. Let’s not forget Luton, Plymouth etc also follow this model. It works with all budgets.
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Post by scfcnicholas on Feb 26, 2024 2:15:05 GMT
Money generally equates to better prospects so point number 2 is extremely moot. Much rather have the ability to squander money because eventually it generally comes to some fruition. Albeit it hasn’t for a while!
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Post by independent on Feb 26, 2024 2:15:47 GMT
I need to look into it further, I am convinced the right DOF is helpful but I do not believe that it prevents mistakes being made and that it is the cure for all ills that people claim it is. As I see it, money and geography are much more important. Anyway, I'll leave it at that for the moment. To be continued......
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 26, 2024 3:04:55 GMT
The current lot have crippled us for nigh on 10 years and counting so what’s the difference?😂 Clearly you seem to think that Stoke's history began in the Premiership. The Coates family delivered 10 of the best years supporting Stoke. Football is cyclical. We are in a lean patch. We will return to the Prem sooner or later. As we have done (top flight) throughout our entire history. We will fall backj again. As we have done throughout our history. Clearly you seem to think that Stoke’s history began with the Coates - their record is piss poor compared to our average historical cycle. It barely once included the third tier before they came along and they’re about to make it a hat-trick.
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Post by andycooke96 on Feb 26, 2024 4:06:58 GMT
This thread is not intended as a criticism of those who believe that the current ownership, it is merely trying to provide some counter arguments to some of the points that are often made in their favour. 1. They are local supporters/care about the areaThis is in theory an ideal quality in an owner, however it does not equate to success. Additionally the horrendous running of the football club will have a detrimental impact on the area. Job losses and wage cuts for those within the club will follow our relegation as well as a loss of income for businesses that rely on a matchday e.t.c 2. They pump money into the clubThis means nothing when the money is spent badly, plenty of clubs with smaller resources than us do much better things on and off the pitch than we do because they have a strategy. A less wealthy owner would not necessarily equate to lack of success 3. We would be in League 2/another Bury/not exist without the Coates familyThis is probably the most bizarre argument. In our history we have spent 8 seasons in the 3rd tier. (2 of these relegations occurred under the Coates family) Historically we are a bottom half prem/top half championship side, there is nothing to suggest that if the Coates family did not own the club that we would be in the lower reaches of the EFL. 4. Without them we would be in financial trouble, just look at the clubs debt! This has been entirely self inflicted by the ownerships lack of strategy. Allowing managers and technical directors to spend millions and millions of pounds without any clear plan has led to the issues we faced with financial fair play. John Coates seems to be banking a lot of our future plans on changes to the FFP rules, can someone name any other business that would operate in the hope of a law or regulation change? In fairness it is a valid concern that any change in ownership would result in some financial worries, especially given any new owners would have to buy the club and the stadium as seperate assets (who was responsible for selling the ground again?) 5. Who would want to buy Stoke?This argument does a massive disservice to the history and potential of the club. We are the second oldest professional club in world football, we have had some of the greats of English football wear the red and white stripes, we are known the world over in a way that most other clubs in our division are not(some might laugh at this, but Im currently living in South East Asia, if you mention our name everyone knows about the delap throw in and the cold windy night in stoke e.t.c.) We play in a proud working class area with a rich culture and history and with success would come a fervent support and 30,000 crowds every week. 6. But they back the managersThis is true, financially at least, however none of these managers have been given a structure to operate in successfully. Every manager since 2018 has failed at the club, that is not just bad luck that comes from a lack of vision and strategy at boardroom level. If you think all the managers are crap managers, then who has been appointing them? 7. Even if this is all true, John Coates won't sack himself, what do you suggest?The owners often talk about their love of the area, then they should recognise what they are doing to its football club. There are plenty of options, bringing on board a minority shareholder with knowledge of football and how to operate successfully, retaining full control but bringing in an independent consultancy to audit the club and pinpoint the areas for improvement. Bringing in an independent Director of football to run the football side of things. Or as mentioned in the previous point, there would be people willing to buy the club based on the aforementioned history and reputation of the club. Hopefully that changes a few peoples minds, in terms of what should be done next, questions need to be asked about the board at every opportunity, fans forums, praise and grumble and during matchdays, failing that it might time to bring out the old SOS banners again. “We are the second oldest professional club in world football” Who cares? On this basis there’d be massive interest in owning Notts County. Is this the same Notts County who were purchased by a danish consortium who own a football analysis company, got them promoted despite being in the same league as Wrexham and had their manager poached because he plays an expansive style of football? Seem like a well run club to me
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Post by wuzza on Feb 26, 2024 5:15:26 GMT
Clearly you seem to think that Stoke's history began in the Premiership. The Coates family delivered 10 of the best years supporting Stoke. Football is cyclical. We are in a lean patch. We will return to the Prem sooner or later. As we have done (top flight) throughout our entire history. We will fall backj again. As we have done throughout our history. How the fuck have you come to that conclusion?😂😂 Am I wrong that we’ve been in terminal decline for 7 years despite having some of the richest owners in the country? A major point is that the decline is not ‘terminal’ as long as the Coates family own the club - it probably would be with most of the other fly by night financiers that populate the EFL ownership ranks.
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Post by stokieinlondon on Feb 26, 2024 6:17:19 GMT
“We are the second oldest professional club in world football” Who cares? On this basis there’d be massive interest in owning Notts County. Is this the same Notts County who were purchased by a danish consortium who own a football analysis company, got them promoted despite being in the same league as Wrexham and had their manager poached because he plays an expansive style of football? Seem like a well run club to me It’s the same Notts County who’ve spent a lot of time out of the league recently and haven’t been in the top flight for over 40 years. They’re the oldest club in the world.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 26, 2024 6:39:20 GMT
Forcing the Coates out could send us to a very dark place indeed.
They need to pay for the best advice they can get, to help appoint the best CEO/DOF/Technical Director they can get and then have no further involvement in the running of the club other than signing the cheques. That's the ideal scenario.
At the moment, the tail is wagging the dog. Fucking managers appointing their mates as Technical Directors... 😂
It's no wonder we're a joke.
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