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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 24, 2024 17:40:01 GMT
WHO is going to buy a shit collapsing club who loves money in a shit run down midlands town. Huh? Cant hear you? No one! Exactly. And you can say this with absolute certainty because? I'm simply not having it that there's nobody out there (in the entire world) who would buy the club. There was a Stoke City FC long before the Coates family and there'll be a Stoke City FC long after they've fucked off (which will hopefully be quite soon).
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 24, 2024 17:45:14 GMT
Every single manager who has come and gone the last 6-7 years has stated that the Coates family gave them all the backing they needed/wanted, what more can they do ? How about appointing decent managers and putting in place a structure befitting of a modern day, progressive football club that incubates success on and off the field. That'd be a start.
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Post by liathroid on Feb 24, 2024 17:48:14 GMT
Every single manager who has come and gone the last 6-7 years has stated that the Coates family gave them all the backing they needed/wanted, what more can they do ? How about appointing decent managers and putting in place a structure befitting of a modern day, progressive football club that incubates success on and off the field. That'd be a start. who are these decent managers you speak of
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Post by doctortheopolis on Feb 24, 2024 17:49:45 GMT
Have said it for a long, long time. They are 100% the issue at this club and have been for quite some time. It's clear that John cannot run this club, and cannot even appoint people to run this club either. They need to take stock in the summer, regardless of the division we are in, and place the club on the market. It hurts me to say that and it hurts me every time I say it, genuinely. They are good business people and they clearly hold this city and the people in it very close to them, but sadly they aren't the owners for the football club that it needs. Football has simply moved on from what they know. If we are relegated in May then that will be the third relegation to the third tier under their ownership and the fourth relegation in total. They have promoted us twice. I'm sorry but it's not good enough. Totally agree With their riches this should have never happened. I wonder if a club as rich as ours has ever been relegated to the 3rd tier? It's a really good point mate. Silly amount of money thrown into the club and it takes a special type of incompetence to get to this. It's actually harder to fuck it up than get it right given the amount of money we are talking about. I've seen us play in the 3rd tier twice in my lifetime and about to make it three. All under the family's watch.
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Post by serpico on Feb 24, 2024 17:51:23 GMT
Every single manager who has come and gone the last 6-7 years has stated that the Coates family gave them all the backing they needed/wanted, what more can they do ? How about appointing decent managers and putting in place a structure befitting of a modern day, progressive football club that incubates success on and off the field. That'd be a start. Yes, I’m sure he’s never thought of that! 😄 … what do you think he’s been trying to do!?!? It’s just gone tits up, we now need to bring in an experienced old bastard to crack skulls, ie Sam allardyce, Stoke always do better under that type of manager.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 24, 2024 17:54:50 GMT
His dad did a good job of destroying the club to be fair - must be something in their genes.
His latest managerial British punt was an horrendous choice, given he had virtually zero experience at this level, zero as a manager - and these are the credentials JC thought would be the fit for a club in a relegation battle and has him as the man to rebuild the club from scratch.
QPR, Sheff wed have gone the foreign route with their managerial choices and with squads probably more mediocre than ours, they look like they are turning it round a bit, the foreign route something, here in the 21st century, our chairman is utterly incapable of contemplating.
Tier 3 will be horrendous for us, but if it gets rid of them - then at least some scrap of hope will come out of it.
In a world full of percentages and small margins between success and failure we have xenophobic dinosaurs running our club - having never been to tier 3 proper in our entire history, we are about to go back to it for the 3rd time under the leadership.
I would say get rid of the current manager, as he is clearly out of his depth and we are down if he stays, but we know we would get another British no-hoper - so it is not really worth bothering is it
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 24, 2024 17:56:35 GMT
How about appointing decent managers and putting in place a structure befitting of a modern day, progressive football club that incubates success on and off the field. That'd be a start. Yes, I’m sure he’s never thought of that! 😄 … what do you think he’s been trying to do!?!? It’s just gone tits up, we now need to bring in an experienced old bastard to crack skulls, ie Sam allardyce, Stoke always do better under that type of manager. I've no doubt he's been trying. The evidence of the past 7 years however would suggest that JC lacks the competence to do this and as such, we'll unlikely progress under his leadership. The Coates family are killing this club through sheer incompetence and need removing before the continuing damage they're doing becomes insurmountable for any other party.
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Post by serpico on Feb 24, 2024 17:58:24 GMT
Yes, I’m sure he’s never thought of that! 😄 … what do you think he’s been trying to do!?!? It’s just gone tits up, we now need to bring in an experienced old bastard to crack skulls, ie Sam allardyce, Stoke always do better under that type of manager. I've no doubt he's been trying. The evidence of the past 7 years however would suggest that JC lacks the competence to do this and as such, we'll unlikely progress under his leadership. The Coates family are killing this club through sheer incompetence and need removing before the continuing damage they're doing becomes insurmountable for any other party. There is no other party!!!
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 24, 2024 17:59:26 GMT
Totally agree With their riches this should have never happened. I wonder if a club as rich as ours has ever been relegated to the 3rd tier? It's a really good point mate. Silly amount of money thrown into the club and it takes a special type of incompetence to get to this. It's actually harder to fuck it up than get it right given the amount of money we are talking about. I've seen us play in the 3rd tier twice in my lifetime and about to make it three. All under the family's watch. I have also seen those times. Jc must be the shitest business man of all time. Everything he does turns to shit
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 24, 2024 18:01:00 GMT
I've no doubt he's been trying. The evidence of the past 7 years however would suggest that JC lacks the competence to do this and as such, we'll unlikely progress under his leadership. The Coates family are killing this club through sheer incompetence and need removing before the continuing damage they're doing becomes insurmountable for any other party. There is no other party!!! And you can say this with absolute certainty because?
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Post by serpico on Feb 24, 2024 18:04:57 GMT
There is no other party!!! And you can say this with absolute certainty because? I don’t know it for certain, but I hardly think they’re queuing up right now! Even if they were, how likely is it they would pump the type of money into the club that the Coates’ have ? It’s unrealistic!
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 24, 2024 18:09:29 GMT
And you can say this with absolute certainty because? I don’t know it for certain, but I hardly think they’re queuing up right now! Even if they were, how likely is it they would pump the type of money into the club that the Coates’ have ? It’s unrealistic! The money the Coates have pumped in is useless if you don't make it work. And they haven't made it work in the fucking slightest. One day the majority will wake up and see that they're killing the club. I fear that when this happens though it'll be too late. I can see us ending up like Oldham under this ownership, they're that incapable of running a football club properly.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 24, 2024 18:11:53 GMT
Two relgations in six/seven years is unforgivable.
It is not due to a lack of financial clout, but rather due to a long list of poor decisions and failings.
I will say it again ... if this was a foreign owner who had overseen our demise then supporters would be up in arms.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 24, 2024 18:18:40 GMT
The wrong family member runs our club that's the problem. Jon needs to get a proper Director of football in and leave the decisions to someone else because he isn't fit to do it. We need MON as Director of Football if possible, someone who can link upstairs with downstairs, someone who has experienced management and understands the needs of a manager not someone who has been head of an academy or crap like that.
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