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Post by PotterLog on Feb 17, 2024 20:04:37 GMT
I don't for a second think that John Coates should be the top man running this club. However after seeing that fan forum the other night, I very much believe he is carrying the full weight of this club and the responsibility on his shoulders. I don't think he looks well at all. He should at the very least try and employ people that are better suited to it. They could run the club with change from the back of their settee. Financing it without the pressure of 20,000 people wanting to knock your door down must be a better option. You'd think it would a happier/less stressful/more enjoyable experience for him all round to do just that. I'm probably talking shit but maybe he feels he has to justify his position in the family a bit, like he wants to be seen to be contributing in some meaningful or useful way.
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 17, 2024 20:05:58 GMT
Keep digging you're talking shite I normally do - notice you did not answer any of the questions though So do I tbf. You initially said they were xenophobic and in you're reply to me said it is xenophobic. I wouldnt mind a foreign manager but there's absolutely no guarantees they will be any better than British ones.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 17, 2024 20:12:53 GMT
How many foreign managers has he or his dad employed? It is 100% xenophobic - absolutely unacceptable in 2024 The problem is when your only option is British and you miss your first target and then the second, you are left with the bottom of the barrel no-hopers which he keeps employing. Cutting out the foreign option is literally robbing you of 95% of the market and nearly all of the quality options. Talking here about a man who will probably be forced out the club if we get relegated, there are plenty of us on here and in Stoke who are fed up with British being the only option - are you happy with that? I personally think even if we fall over the line and survive most if us have had enough of him - he could be here for another 40 years, are you going to be happy if we are staring tier 4 in the face as employs British no-hoper number 30? Needs to unearth the next Bielsa - can you imagine us employing somebody like him Classic. Our chairman is a racist and that's why we're shit 😆 🤣 It is part of the problem - absolutely yes: Let us say you have a list with the top 10 candidates for the job - I am talking about a normal club now - not ours You miss target 1 who happens to be British, you then miss target 2 who happens to be foreign and so forth until you finally get your man who, let us say, is number 5 on your list and happens to be foreign. That list has been made up from every possible manager on the planet from potentially 195 countries. We now have the Coates top 10 list made up from candidates from just the UK, disregarding the other 194 countries. Mr Coates happens to hit the 5th choice on his list. Which club is potentially going to get the best candidate for the job, the club that looks at every possible quality candidate or the narrow minded club that chooses from a pool 1000s of times smaller?
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Post by swinny on Feb 17, 2024 20:17:35 GMT
I don't for a second think that John Coates should be the top man running this club. However after seeing that fan forum the other night, I very much believe he is carrying the full weight of this club and the responsibility on his shoulders. I don't think he looks well at all. He should at the very least try and employ people that are better suited to it. They could run the club with change from the back of their settee. Financing it without the pressure of 20,000 people wanting to knock your door down must be a better option. You'd think it would a happier/less stressful/more enjoyable experience for him all round to do just that. I'm probably talking shit but maybe he feels he has to justify his position in the family a bit, like he wants to be seen to be contributing in some meaningful or useful way. I think there's an element to that. Living up to his old man and his success. Probably feels at fault for bringing it all back 15 years, which unfortunately does lie at his door for a large part.
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Post by spoton on Feb 17, 2024 20:18:50 GMT
I don't for a second think that John Coates should be the top man running this club. However after seeing that fan forum the other night, I very much believe he is carrying the full weight of this club and the responsibility on his shoulders. I don't think he looks well at all. He should at the very least try and employ people that are better suited to it. They could run the club with change from the back of their settee. Financing it without the pressure of 20,000 people wanting to knock your door down must be a better option. You'd think it would a happier/less stressful/more enjoyable experience for him all round to do just that. I'm probably talking shit but maybe he feels he has to justify his position in the family a bit, like he wants to be seen to be contributing in some meaningful or useful way. Said similar, hard for wealthy people to admit they aren't up to the task, they loose face
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Post by redstriper on Feb 17, 2024 20:29:24 GMT
He has my respect for trying to do the right thing for his home town. Whereas you are earning zero respect for your ill informed childish abusive rants that are totally devoid of insight or intelligence. Devoid of insight? My eyes must be lying to me! 3ts of the relegation zone! Can you name me a chairman in the football Leagues history who has spent what we've spent in 6 years and done worse? I'll save you the time. No you can't. He's not fit for purpose. A privileged child born into position of power. Find me statement not factually correct. John Coates has a degree in law and worked as a lawyer, you calling him a "village idiot" is clearly not factually correct. It's what i said it was, a childish insult. You say he was born into privilege but he was born in 1970, Peter Coates empire was barely started at that point, he didn't get his first betting shop for another four years. I could go on but that'll do for proving you're talking utter bollocks.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 17, 2024 20:33:45 GMT
I normally do - notice you did not answer any of the questions though So do I tbf. You initially said they were xenophobic and in you're reply to me said it is xenophobic. I wouldnt mind a foreign manager but there's absolutely no guarantees they will be any better than British ones. QPR & Wednesdays fortunes have changed a bit with foreign managers - but there are no guarantees. There is not a great deal of talent out there when you are talking British though and they, therefore, have to expand their horizons. They never will though will they - and we as fans should not accept that - in my opinion.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 17, 2024 20:34:41 GMT
Devoid of insight? My eyes must be lying to me! 3ts of the relegation zone! Can you name me a chairman in the football Leagues history who has spent what we've spent in 6 years and done worse? I'll save you the time. No you can't. He's not fit for purpose. A privileged child born into position of power. Find me statement not factually correct. John Coates has a degree in law and worked as a lawyer, you calling him a "village idiot" is clearly not factually correct. It's what i said it was, a childish insult. You say he was born into privilege but he was born in 1970, Peter Coates empire was barely started at that point, he didn't get his first betting shop for another four years. I could go on but that'll do for proving you're talking utter bollocks. He is certainly not a village idiot and in fact a very clever man by all accounts which makes it all the more baffling that he hasn't surrounded himself with people who know exactly how to run a football club and how to make it tick along nicely.
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Post by Block 22 on Feb 17, 2024 21:12:38 GMT
John Coates has a degree in law and worked as a lawyer, you calling him a "village idiot" is clearly not factually correct. It's what i said it was, a childish insult. You say he was born into privilege but he was born in 1970, Peter Coates empire was barely started at that point, he didn't get his first betting shop for another four years. I could go on but that'll do for proving you're talking utter bollocks. He is certainly not a village idiot and in fact a very clever man by all accounts which makes it all the more baffling that he hasn't surrounded himself with people who know exactly how to run a football club and how to make it tick along nicely. This is the nail on the head for me. Clearly he isn’t stupid, but if he was truly intelligent he would acknowledge that our best chance of success is to employ experienced, proven, subject matter experts to run the show. You couldn’t run a successful technology business with only money if you had no clue about technology, you’d need a strategic technical expert to build the cornerstones of the company. Money and law degrees alone wont make this club successful. The facts are there to be seen. We need to stop being so small minded and work towards a model of employing proven experts in their retrospective areas. Employing Ricky Martin because he was pals with Alex Neil is a fine example of this small time mentality. Zero due diligence, just a tip off (a very bad one) from a manager who was currently in post at the club. Stop giving specific individuals too much power, run the club like an institution, where any member of staff can leave at any given moment and we still operate at the required standards to move forwards. Cliche, I know, but at the moment all we keep doing is spending fortunes on the roof tiles when we’ve not even done the groundwork to bed the foundations.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 17, 2024 21:18:45 GMT
He is certainly not a village idiot and in fact a very clever man by all accounts which makes it all the more baffling that he hasn't surrounded himself with people who know exactly how to run a football club and how to make it tick along nicely. This is the nail on the head for me. Clearly he isn’t stupid, but if he was truly intelligent he would acknowledge that our best chance of success is to employ experienced, proven, subject matter experts to run the show. You couldn’t run a successful technology business with only money if you had no clue about technology, you’d need a strategic technical expert to build the cornerstones of the company. Money and law degrees alone wont make this club successful. The facts are there to be seen. We need to stop being so small minded and work towards a model of employing proven experts in their retrospective areas. Employing Ricky Martin because he was pals with Alex Neil is a fine example of this small time mentality. Zero due diligence, just a tip off (a very bad one) from a manager who was currently in post at the club. Stop giving specific individuals too much power, run the club like an institution, where any member of staff can leave at any given moment and we still operate at the required standards to move forwards. Cliche, I know, but at the moment all we keep doing is spending fortunes on the roof tiles when we’ve not even done the groundwork to bed the foundations. Spot on for me mate. Take the hit on his pride and get people in alongside him to run the club. He is a fan like we all are and I'm sure he wants us in the premier league so get people in who know what they are doing to guide him until we get back there.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 17, 2024 22:45:14 GMT
Devoid of insight? My eyes must be lying to me! 3ts of the relegation zone! Can you name me a chairman in the football Leagues history who has spent what we've spent in 6 years and done worse? I'll save you the time. No you can't. He's not fit for purpose. A privileged child born into position of power. Find me statement not factually correct. John Coates has a degree in law and worked as a lawyer, you calling him a "village idiot" is clearly not factually correct. It's what i said it was, a childish insult. You say he was born into privilege but he was born in 1970, Peter Coates empire was barely started at that point, he didn't get his first betting shop for another four years. I could go on but that'll do for proving you're talking utter bollocks. Absolutely, does't suit the anti JC brigade though to recognise that. Calling him a Village Idiot when you clearly know nothing about him
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 23:07:36 GMT
Why do people keep defending them?
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 17, 2024 23:22:24 GMT
We need a competent CEO
A competent CEO would then employ a competent Sporting Director
A competent sporting director would then appoint a competent head coach
It’s really not fucking rocket science and fucking chances like Ricky martin would get nowhere near this fucking club.
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Post by march4 on Feb 17, 2024 23:31:02 GMT
John Coates is an intelligent, sensible and sensitive man who is as passionate about SCFC as anyone. Without him and his family, we would have disappeared into obscurity when the Icelanders became bored. Instead we have been on an amazing journey. Of course mistakes have been made, but we all make mistakes.
Wanting rid of John and his family is akin to wanting rid of the hand that feeds you. It is beyond ridiculous.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2024 23:32:59 GMT
John Coates is an intelligent, sensible and sensitive man who is as passionate about SCFC as anyone. Without him and his family, we would have disappeared into obscurity when the Icelanders became bored. Instead we have been on an amazing journey. Of course mistakes have been made, but we all make mistakes. Wanting rid of John and his family is akin to wanting rid of the hand that feeds you. It is beyond ridiculous. They haven’t learned though and it’s sheer arrogance. It’s gone too far. Relegation from the PL was too late. And even that wasn’t a wake up call. Just what the fuck will be?
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Post by redstriper on Feb 17, 2024 23:36:46 GMT
Why do people keep defending them? Because they are good people, who've done a million times more for the city than you and the rest of the moaning fuckers on here combined.
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Post by march4 on Feb 17, 2024 23:42:49 GMT
John Coates is an intelligent, sensible and sensitive man who is as passionate about SCFC as anyone. Without him and his family, we would have disappeared into obscurity when the Icelanders became bored. Instead we have been on an amazing journey. Of course mistakes have been made, but we all make mistakes. Wanting rid of John and his family is akin to wanting rid of the hand that feeds you. It is beyond ridiculous. They haven’t learned though and it’s sheer arrogance. It’s gone too far. Relegation from the PL was too late. And even that wasn’t a wake up call. Just what the fuck will be? Promotion to the Prem - arrogance? FA Cup final - arrogance? Europe - arrogance? 9th placed finishes - arrogance? The only arrogance is from posters who think they know better.
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 17, 2024 23:46:41 GMT
Why do people keep defending them? Theoretically, local billionaires who are genuine supporters of the club are a fucking godsend nowadays. As such, you can understand people's reluctance to oust them. However, the cold, hard facts are that when we came down from the top flight, we kept a good proportion of a team that finished 9th and have since spent £120m+, only get worse and worse to the point that we're staring the third tier in the face. It’s absolutely scandalous that the ownership have guided us to this - 95% of decisions they’ve made have been disasters (and have been such because they're not the 'football people' they believe themselves to be). Appointing MON when they did was right but apart from that everything else has been abject wank. Wank recruitment, wank players, wank managers, and a wank supporter experience. It's irrelevant how much money they’ve got or how much they love the club - the evidence of the past 6.5 years has demonstrated that they can’t run a football club in the modern era. That’s fact now. If they don’t either appoint someone to run the club properly and just stay in the shadows signing the cheques, or sell up and let someone who has got a Scooby as to how to run a club properly have a go then we’ll end up in the third tier. If not this season then in the not too distant future. The club has deteriorated under their stewardship and only the most blinkered Coates bummers will deny that things have gotten worse and worse year on year no matter what the owners try. The only constant is the Coates and, whether people like it or not, it's looking increasingly likely that only way to halt the slide is to remove them. Coates Out.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 17, 2024 23:52:50 GMT
Why do people keep defending them? Theoretically, local billionaires who are genuine supporters of the club are a fucking godsend nowadays. As such, you can understand people's reluctance to oust them. However, the cold, hard facts are that when we came down from the top flight, we kept a good proportion of a team that finished 9th and have since spent £120m+, only get worse and worse to the point that we're staring the third tier in the face. It’s absolutely scandalous that the ownership have guided us to this - 95% of decisions they’ve made have been disasters (and have been such because they're not the 'football people' they believe themselves to be). Appointing MON when they did was right but apart from that everything else has been abject wank. Wank recruitment, wank players, wank managers, and a wank supporter experience. It's irrelevant how much money they’ve got or how much they love the club - the evidence of the past 6.5 years has demonstrated that they can’t run a football club in the modern era. That’s fact now. If they don’t either appoint someone to run the club properly and just stay in the shadows signing the cheques, or sell up and let someone who has got a Scooby as to how to run a club properly have a go then we’ll end up in the third tier. If not this season then in the not too distant future. The club has deteriorated under their stewardship and only the most blinkered Coates bummers will deny that things have gotten worse and worse year on year no matter what the owners try. The only constant is the Coates and, whether people like it or not, it's looking increasingly likely that only way to halt the slide is to remove them. Coates Out. How people can’t see it is beyond me. The cult of Coates is a real thing and I imagine there’s some who would be choking on the coolade and would still back them to the hilt
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Post by pushon on Feb 18, 2024 0:01:54 GMT
Why do people keep defending them? Theoretically, local billionaires who are genuine supporters of the club are a fucking godsend nowadays. As such, you can understand people's reluctance to oust them. However, the cold, hard facts are that when we came down from the top flight, we kept a good proportion of a team that finished 9th and have since spent £120m+, only get worse and worse to the point that we're staring the third tier in the face. It’s absolutely scandalous that the ownership have guided us to this - 95% of decisions they’ve made have been disasters (and have been such because they're not the 'football people' they believe themselves to be). Appointing MON when they did was right but apart from that everything else has been abject wank. Wank recruitment, wank players, wank managers, and a wank supporter experience. It's irrelevant how much money they’ve got or how much they love the club - the evidence of the past 6.5 years has demonstrated that they can’t run a football club in the modern era. That’s fact now. If they don’t either appoint someone to run the club properly and just stay in the shadows signing the cheques, or sell up and let someone who has got a Scooby as to how to run a club properly have a go then we’ll end up in the third tier. If not this season then in the not too distant future. The club has deteriorated under their stewardship and only the most blinkered Coates bummers will deny that things have gotten worse and worse year on year no matter what the owners try. The only constant is the Coates and, whether people like it or not, it's looking increasingly likely that only way to halt the slide is to remove them. Coates Out. I suppose that's after they sell all disposable assets?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 0:11:30 GMT
Can the rest of the board demand or at least advise JC on bringing in Profesionals to oversee the running of the club?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 0:16:16 GMT
Why do people keep defending them? Because they are good people, who've done a million times more for the city than you and the rest of the moaning fuckers on here combined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 18, 2024 0:16:39 GMT
Theoretically, local billionaires who are genuine supporters of the club are a fucking godsend nowadays. As such, you can understand people's reluctance to oust them. However, the cold, hard facts are that when we came down from the top flight, we kept a good proportion of a team that finished 9th and have since spent £120m+, only get worse and worse to the point that we're staring the third tier in the face. It’s absolutely scandalous that the ownership have guided us to this - 95% of decisions they’ve made have been disasters (and have been such because they're not the 'football people' they believe themselves to be). Appointing MON when they did was right but apart from that everything else has been abject wank. Wank recruitment, wank players, wank managers, and a wank supporter experience. It's irrelevant how much money they’ve got or how much they love the club - the evidence of the past 6.5 years has demonstrated that they can’t run a football club in the modern era. That’s fact now. If they don’t either appoint someone to run the club properly and just stay in the shadows signing the cheques, or sell up and let someone who has got a Scooby as to how to run a club properly have a go then we’ll end up in the third tier. If not this season then in the not too distant future. The club has deteriorated under their stewardship and only the most blinkered Coates bummers will deny that things have gotten worse and worse year on year no matter what the owners try. The only constant is the Coates and, whether people like it or not, it's looking increasingly likely that only way to halt the slide is to remove them. Coates Out. I suppose that's after they sell all disposable assets? If they love the club as much as everyone keeps insisting they do then surely they wouldn't do that? 😅
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 0:17:54 GMT
They haven’t learned though and it’s sheer arrogance. It’s gone too far. Relegation from the PL was too late. And even that wasn’t a wake up call. Just what the fuck will be? Promotion to the Prem - arrogance? FA Cup final - arrogance? Europe - arrogance? 9th placed finishes - arrogance? The only arrogance is from posters who think they know better. That wasn’t the idiot child we have in charge now was it? That he can’t see that he is the problem is sheer arrogance. That he hasn’t taken a back seat is sheer arrogance.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 18, 2024 0:18:03 GMT
I suppose that's after they sell all disposable assets? If they love the club as much as everyone keeps insisting they do then so they wouldn't do that? 😅 Yet another one whose only argument is worst case scenario. We’re a local club, for local people, we’ll have no trouble here!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 0:19:26 GMT
I suppose that's after they sell all disposable assets? If they love the club as much as everyone keeps insisting they do then surely they wouldn't do that? 😅 Yeah imagine if the football club didn’t own the ground and paid rent to use it….
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Post by Gods on Feb 18, 2024 0:21:19 GMT
Why do people keep defending them? Theoretically, local billionaires who are genuine supporters of the club are a fucking godsend nowadays. As such, you can understand people's reluctance to oust them. However, the cold, hard facts are that when we came down from the top flight, we kept a good proportion of a team that finished 9th and have since spent £120m+, only get worse and worse to the point that we're staring the third tier in the face. It’s absolutely scandalous that the ownership have guided us to this - 95% of decisions they’ve made have been disasters (and have been such because they're not the 'football people' they believe themselves to be). Appointing MON when they did was right but apart from that everything else has been abject wank. Wank recruitment, wank players, wank managers, and a wank supporter experience. It's irrelevant how much money they’ve got or how much they love the club - the evidence of the past 6.5 years has demonstrated that they can’t run a football club in the modern era. That’s fact now. If they don’t either appoint someone to run the club properly and just stay in the shadows signing the cheques, or sell up and let someone who has got a Scooby as to how to run a club properly have a go then we’ll end up in the third tier. If not this season then in the not too distant future. The club has deteriorated under their stewardship and only the most blinkered Coates bummers will deny that things have gotten worse and worse year on year no matter what the owners try. The only constant is the Coates and, whether people like it or not, it's looking increasingly likely that only way to halt the slide is to remove them. Coates Out. I completely follow your argument through but I don't believe there is a buyer out there and however misguided the Coates may be there is only them between us and being Port Vale mark 2.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2024 0:23:13 GMT
Theoretically, local billionaires who are genuine supporters of the club are a fucking godsend nowadays. As such, you can understand people's reluctance to oust them. However, the cold, hard facts are that when we came down from the top flight, we kept a good proportion of a team that finished 9th and have since spent £120m+, only get worse and worse to the point that we're staring the third tier in the face. It’s absolutely scandalous that the ownership have guided us to this - 95% of decisions they’ve made have been disasters (and have been such because they're not the 'football people' they believe themselves to be). Appointing MON when they did was right but apart from that everything else has been abject wank. Wank recruitment, wank players, wank managers, and a wank supporter experience. It's irrelevant how much money they’ve got or how much they love the club - the evidence of the past 6.5 years has demonstrated that they can’t run a football club in the modern era. That’s fact now. If they don’t either appoint someone to run the club properly and just stay in the shadows signing the cheques, or sell up and let someone who has got a Scooby as to how to run a club properly have a go then we’ll end up in the third tier. If not this season then in the not too distant future. The club has deteriorated under their stewardship and only the most blinkered Coates bummers will deny that things have gotten worse and worse year on year no matter what the owners try. The only constant is the Coates and, whether people like it or not, it's looking increasingly likely that only way to halt the slide is to remove them. Coates Out. I completely follow your argument through but I don't believe there is a buyer out there and however misguided the Coates may be there is only them between us and being Port Vale mark 2. But that’s totally illogical.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 18, 2024 0:34:16 GMT
Theoretically, local billionaires who are genuine supporters of the club are a fucking godsend nowadays. As such, you can understand people's reluctance to oust them. However, the cold, hard facts are that when we came down from the top flight, we kept a good proportion of a team that finished 9th and have since spent £120m+, only get worse and worse to the point that we're staring the third tier in the face. It’s absolutely scandalous that the ownership have guided us to this - 95% of decisions they’ve made have been disasters (and have been such because they're not the 'football people' they believe themselves to be). Appointing MON when they did was right but apart from that everything else has been abject wank. Wank recruitment, wank players, wank managers, and a wank supporter experience. It's irrelevant how much money they’ve got or how much they love the club - the evidence of the past 6.5 years has demonstrated that they can’t run a football club in the modern era. That’s fact now. If they don’t either appoint someone to run the club properly and just stay in the shadows signing the cheques, or sell up and let someone who has got a Scooby as to how to run a club properly have a go then we’ll end up in the third tier. If not this season then in the not too distant future. The club has deteriorated under their stewardship and only the most blinkered Coates bummers will deny that things have gotten worse and worse year on year no matter what the owners try. The only constant is the Coates and, whether people like it or not, it's looking increasingly likely that only way to halt the slide is to remove them. Coates Out. I completely follow your argument through but I don't believe there is a buyer out there and however misguided the Coates may be there is only them between us and being Port Vale mark 2. Why isn’t there a buyer? If Burnley, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, Ipswich, Hull etc etc can all find buyers, why can’t we?
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Post by Gods on Feb 18, 2024 0:54:13 GMT
I completely follow your argument through but I don't believe there is a buyer out there and however misguided the Coates may be there is only them between us and being Port Vale mark 2. Why isn’t there a buyer? If Burnley, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, Ipswich, Hull etc etc can all find buyers, why can’t we? We have obscene debts and are in a relatively small town, that time has forgotten, which has not one but two football clubs. I might be wrong, but that's my guess.
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