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Post by stokiedan17 on Feb 17, 2024 18:33:39 GMT
A rich village idiot is not the way forward. Bollocks to the devil you know crap and I'm not having a coates family or bury ESC comparison They're multiple so called smaller clubs thriving in the Prem currently with intelligent owners. We're an attractive club with sustained potential. Ie 10 years in the Prem to potential investors. Mike Ashley has twice the brain cells than the current owner who's constantly making us worse and he has an IQ of 2! It's a matter of WHEN not IF we go down to L1. Let's remember what family took us down there for a 2nd time and what business took us back up. Half term is almost over…
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 17, 2024 18:39:25 GMT
A rich village idiot is not the way forward. Bollocks to the devil you know crap and I'm not having a coates family or bury ESC comparison They're multiple so called smaller clubs thriving in the Prem currently with intelligent owners. We're an attractive club with sustained potential. Ie 10 years in the Prem to potential investors. Mike Ashley has twice the brain cells than the current owner who's constantly making us worse and he has an IQ of 2! It's a matter of WHEN not IF we go down to L1. Let's remember what family took us down there for a 2nd time and what business took us back up. Half term is almost over… As is Stoke's spell as a Championship club...
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Post by redstriper on Feb 17, 2024 18:40:54 GMT
For me Coates has one last roll of the dice to play - we are hurtling toward relegation again with his latest British punt, who looks out of his depth, has zero experience in this league and virtually no experience as a manager. His last chance would be to bring in high profile foreign manager, if nothing else just to prove, that here in 2024, we do not have owners who are xenophobic prehistoric dinosaurs. If we were then to survive the club would then need to purchase 11 abacuses pre season, marked left-back, right-back, central defence and so on, if none of the notches have been moved on the abacus marked left-back - then that would send out a report to tricky that we need to purchase 2 of them before a ball is kicked. No problem with them bringing in 19 players and them being a bit more miss than hit, but when 8 of those 19 are forwards and only 1 is a left-back(in his mid-thirties and hardly played a game for 2 years) then questions are going to be asked around peoples sanity and organisation - our new manager should have been banging down the door for a left-back in this window, the fact that we did not get one means, to me, we have another clueless manager - to go with the clueless people who run our club. In short bring in a foreign manager now, learn to count and create a balanced squad pre-season - is his last hope You believe that's the way forward ? to stay up ? in mid february ?...bring in another manager who knows nobody in the squad, and your idea of the criteria on who to pick is basically "he must be foreign" I know stoke are driving us all a bit crazy but have you totally lost your mind ?
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 17, 2024 18:43:48 GMT
Can we stop this bollox please, we need the family and they are fans but what we need id a proper DOF pure and simple to run the club!
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Post by liathroid on Feb 17, 2024 18:46:53 GMT
who is going to sack the board the board ,lets sack ourselves
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 17, 2024 18:47:04 GMT
The Coates family aren’t going anywhere. They own the club and the infrastructure so there would have to be serious money involved for them to walk away. Then you don’t know who you are getting as an owner and there have been some bad ones with exceptions of course like Leicester
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Post by skiptomylou on Feb 17, 2024 18:49:06 GMT
How about he starts earning his "respect" Other than being privileged "child" born into a rich family. What are his qualifications to run a football club? He's had 6 seasons and every one had been an utter disgrace. If he was to bid for a football club, we he'd fail the so called fit and proper criteria! He has my respect for trying to do the right thing for his home town. Whereas you are earning zero respect for your ill informed childish abusive rants that are totally devoid of insight or intelligence. Devoid of insight? My eyes must be lying to me! 3ts of the relegation zone! Can you name me a chairman in the football Leagues history who has spent what we've spent in 6 years and done worse? I'll save you the time. No you can't. He's not fit for purpose. A privileged child born into position of power. Find me statement not factually correct.
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Post by jokker on Feb 17, 2024 18:49:26 GMT
I do not want the owners replaced, I just want them to make better decisions. Jon Coates is a Stoke City fan, he wants the best for this football club, and the family have invested significant sums of money into what is probably a financial black hole (as most football clubs are). However, it we suffer two relegations in the space of six years then it would be (nearly) unforgivable. If a foreign owner had overseen this decline then people would be up in arms. We need to hope that we can eek enough points out of the season to secure survival and that Schumacher is the right man to oversee another summer reset. I'm still not sure Jon Coates is this big Stoke fan we think...he was a Man Utd box holder for years! I agree though, new owners? Nah. Better decisions? Yes. It is true and he has admitted it in the past, though not receently. I think what motivates him is what motivates Denise too which is a) Bet365 doing their best for the local community and b) Upholding his father's legacy, which is a) too. He's a grown man, so he wouldn't be doing it, if he hadn't come around to see the purpose of a) and b).
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Post by jokker on Feb 17, 2024 18:54:30 GMT
At least his IQ is 2 bigger than yours. I'll take that as a compliment, an IQ of 2 less than a multi millionaire with a successful business chain where you probably buy your Sunday best! With an IQ of zero you wouldn't be able to tie your own bootlaces...
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Post by werrington on Feb 17, 2024 18:56:28 GMT
A rich village idiot is not the way forward. Bollocks to the devil you know crap and I'm not having a coates family or bury ESC comparison They're multiple so called smaller clubs thriving in the Prem currently with intelligent owners. We're an attractive club with sustained potential. Ie 10 years in the Prem to potential investors. Mike Ashley has twice the brain cells than the current owner who's constantly making us worse and he has an IQ of 2! It's a matter of WHEN not IF we go down to L1. Let's remember what family took us down there for a 2nd time and what business took us back up. Explain how we do that? Its a fuckin HITS thread No more no less
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Post by stokiedan17 on Feb 17, 2024 18:59:18 GMT
Half term is almost over… As is Stoke's spell as a Championship club... If that’s the case so be it. Will hopefully get rid of some of the shit fans at the club
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 17, 2024 19:07:59 GMT
For me Coates has one last roll of the dice to play - we are hurtling toward relegation again with his latest British punt, who looks out of his depth, has zero experience in this league and virtually no experience as a manager. His last chance would be to bring in high profile foreign manager, if nothing else just to prove, that here in 2024, we do not have owners who are xenophobic prehistoric dinosaurs. If we were then to survive the club would then need to purchase 11 abacuses pre season, marked left-back, right-back, central defence and so on, if none of the notches have been moved on the abacus marked left-back - then that would send out a report to tricky that we need to purchase 2 of them before a ball is kicked. No problem with them bringing in 19 players and them being a bit more miss than hit, but when 8 of those 19 are forwards and only 1 is a left-back(in his mid-thirties and hardly played a game for 2 years) then questions are going to be asked around peoples sanity and organisation - our new manager should have been banging down the door for a left-back in this window, the fact that we did not get one means, to me, we have another clueless manager - to go with the clueless people who run our club. In short bring in a foreign manager now, learn to count and create a balanced squad pre-season - is his last hope So John Coates has to prove to you he's not xenophobic, I've read some shit on here but that's up there.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Feb 17, 2024 19:08:04 GMT
Ok Coates puts club up for sale WHO is going to buy the club ground infrastructure debt etc? Talking millions before they even start not exactly a big club in the grand scheme of things stuck between brum manc and liverpool are we? Then who do we end up with, the leagues are littered with shit owners. What needs to happen is what is said above john needs to bite the bullet get a proper dof in and people around the dof who knows how modern football works john needs to become a rich fan and let people who know what to do get on with it.
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Post by onyourbonce on Feb 17, 2024 19:08:13 GMT
What every single stoke fan wants is for us to be successful with the ownership that we have, local people who care about and support the club and are in a financial position to massively back it. The problem is, the person/persons making the biggest decisions (John Coates I believe) have consistently been making the wrong ones, and it simply cannot continue. We need to bring in someone to make or help make these decisions and not leave it solely on someone who keeps getting it wrong. If they are not prepared to do that then they might aswell sell up. We’ve seen enough. All the managers we have had since relegation have been poached, and they have done real good jobs before and after being at stoke, and they all get the blame, same with a lot of players we have brought and sold. If it carries on no fucker will want to come to the club.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 17, 2024 19:14:35 GMT
I'll take that as a compliment, an IQ of 2 less than a multi millionaire with a successful business chain where you probably buy your Sunday best! With an IQ of zero you wouldn't be able to tie your own bootlaces... Don't worry mate I'll tie them for you 😉
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Post by skiptomylou on Feb 17, 2024 19:17:01 GMT
Ok Coates puts club up for sale WHO is going to buy the club ground infrastructure debt etc? Talking millions before they even start not exactly a big club in the grand scheme of things stuck between brum manc and liverpool are we? Then who do we end up with, the leagues are littered with shit owners. What needs to happen is what is said above john needs to bite the bullet get a proper dof in and people around the dof who knows how modern football works john needs to become a rich fan and let people who know what to do get on with it. We shouldn't be in Debt should we after where we were for 10 years. Wasted Millions and Millions of his own families money and saddled the club with it.
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Post by spoton on Feb 17, 2024 19:25:42 GMT
Ok Coates puts club up for sale WHO is going to buy the club ground infrastructure debt etc? Talking millions before they even start not exactly a big club in the grand scheme of things stuck between brum manc and liverpool are we? Then who do we end up with, the leagues are littered with shit owners. What needs to happen is what is said above john needs to bite the bullet get a proper dof in and people around the dof who knows how modern football works john needs to become a rich fan and let people who know what to do get on with it. I can understand people being angry but come off it there will be people or organisations interested, just like the sale of West Brompton, but I agree a team needs to be in place to run this club because the present set up is not working but unfortunately wealthy men don't usually admit they can't do the job it will hurt his reputation and Coates senior won't tell his child he's not up to it so they only real way is to sell and walk away
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 17, 2024 19:29:53 GMT
For me Coates has one last roll of the dice to play - we are hurtling toward relegation again with his latest British punt, who looks out of his depth, has zero experience in this league and virtually no experience as a manager. His last chance would be to bring in high profile foreign manager, if nothing else just to prove, that here in 2024, we do not have owners who are xenophobic prehistoric dinosaurs. If we were then to survive the club would then need to purchase 11 abacuses pre season, marked left-back, right-back, central defence and so on, if none of the notches have been moved on the abacus marked left-back - then that would send out a report to tricky that we need to purchase 2 of them before a ball is kicked. No problem with them bringing in 19 players and them being a bit more miss than hit, but when 8 of those 19 are forwards and only 1 is a left-back(in his mid-thirties and hardly played a game for 2 years) then questions are going to be asked around peoples sanity and organisation - our new manager should have been banging down the door for a left-back in this window, the fact that we did not get one means, to me, we have another clueless manager - to go with the clueless people who run our club. In short bring in a foreign manager now, learn to count and create a balanced squad pre-season - is his last hope So John Coates has to prove to you he's not xenophobic, I've read some shit on here but that's up there. How many foreign managers has he or his dad employed? It is 100% xenophobic - absolutely unacceptable in 2024 The problem is when your only option is British and you miss your first target and then the second, you are left with the bottom of the barrel no-hopers which he keeps employing. Cutting out the foreign option is literally robbing you of 95% of the market and nearly all of the quality options. Talking here about a man who will probably be forced out the club if we get relegated, there are plenty of us on here and in Stoke who are fed up with British being the only option - are you happy with that? I personally think even if we fall over the line and survive most if us have had enough of him - he could be here for another 40 years, are you going to be happy if we are staring tier 4 in the face as employs British no-hoper number 30? Needs to unearth the next Bielsa - can you imagine us employing somebody like him
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Post by pushon on Feb 17, 2024 19:37:13 GMT
For me Coates has one last roll of the dice to play - we are hurtling toward relegation again with his latest British punt, who looks out of his depth, has zero experience in this league and virtually no experience as a manager. His last chance would be to bring in high profile foreign manager, if nothing else just to prove, that here in 2024, we do not have owners who are xenophobic prehistoric dinosaurs. If we were then to survive the club would then need to purchase 11 abacuses pre season, marked left-back, right-back, central defence and so on, if none of the notches have been moved on the abacus marked left-back - then that would send out a report to tricky that we need to purchase 2 of them before a ball is kicked. No problem with them bringing in 19 players and them being a bit more miss than hit, but when 8 of those 19 are forwards and only 1 is a left-back(in his mid-thirties and hardly played a game for 2 years) then questions are going to be asked around peoples sanity and organisation - our new manager should have been banging down the door for a left-back in this window, the fact that we did not get one means, to me, we have another clueless manager - to go with the clueless people who run our club. In short bring in a foreign manager now, learn to count and create a balanced squad pre-season - is his last hope Who is this Manager that you speak of?
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Post by pushon on Feb 17, 2024 19:40:26 GMT
He has my respect for trying to do the right thing for his home town. Whereas you are earning zero respect for your ill informed childish abusive rants that are totally devoid of insight or intelligence. Devoid of insight? My eyes must be lying to me! 3ts of the relegation zone! Can you name me a chairman in the football Leagues history who has spent what we've spent in 6 years and done worse? I'll save you the time. No you can't. He's not fit for purpose. A privileged child born into position of power. Find me statement not factually correct. Which of the chairmen are you talking about?
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Post by stokieinlondon on Feb 17, 2024 19:44:21 GMT
Anyone who thinks we’re better off without the Coates family is absolutely retarded.
We’d be bankrupt within weeks.
We need better people upstairs, but the family absolutely have to stay. No question about it.
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Post by chamberlain on Feb 17, 2024 19:49:29 GMT
So John Coates has to prove to you he's not xenophobic, I've read some shit on here but that's up there. How many foreign managers has he or his dad employed? It is 100% xenophobic - absolutely unacceptable in 2024 The problem is when your only option is British and you miss your first target and then the second, you are left with the bottom of the barrel no-hopers which he keeps employing. Cutting out the foreign option is literally robbing you of 95% of the market and nearly all of the quality options. Talking here about a man who will probably be forced out the club if we get relegated, there are plenty of us on here and in Stoke who are fed up with British being the only option - are you happy with that? I personally think even if we fall over the line and survive most if us have had enough of him - he could be here for another 40 years, are you going to be happy if we are staring tier 4 in the face as employs British no-hoper number 30? Needs to unearth the next Bielsa - can you imagine us employing somebody like him Keep digging you're talking shite
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 17, 2024 19:52:10 GMT
So John Coates has to prove to you he's not xenophobic, I've read some shit on here but that's up there. How many foreign managers has he or his dad employed? It is 100% xenophobic - absolutely unacceptable in 2024 The problem is when your only option is British and you miss your first target and then the second, you are left with the bottom of the barrel no-hopers which he keeps employing. Cutting out the foreign option is literally robbing you of 95% of the market and nearly all of the quality options. Talking here about a man who will probably be forced out the club if we get relegated, there are plenty of us on here and in Stoke who are fed up with British being the only option - are you happy with that? I personally think even if we fall over the line and survive most if us have had enough of him - he could be here for another 40 years, are you going to be happy if we are staring tier 4 in the face as employs British no-hoper number 30? Needs to unearth the next Bielsa - can you imagine us employing somebody like him Classic. Our chairman is a racist and that's why we're shit 😆 🤣
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Feb 17, 2024 19:53:30 GMT
Ok Coates puts club up for sale WHO is going to buy the club ground infrastructure debt etc? Talking millions before they even start not exactly a big club in the grand scheme of things stuck between brum manc and liverpool are we? Then who do we end up with, the leagues are littered with shit owners. What needs to happen is what is said above john needs to bite the bullet get a proper dof in and people around the dof who knows how modern football works john needs to become a rich fan and let people who know what to do get on with it. We shouldn't be in Debt should we after where we were for 10 years. Wasted Millions and Millions of his own families money and saddled the club with it. No we shouldn't be that was partly because they wanted the club to be self sufficient in the premier league while trying to keep up with fans expectations.. yeah they have wasted millions but it's their millions to waste FFP did the rest and still is, if the rules change where they can put as much money into it as they want as long as they can prove they can sustain it ( they can obviously) we might actually be able to do something if they get the right people in.. or we could give carol up the road a ring see if she fancies a go with her poundland finances? It's all about opinions abd i just want the Coates to succeed knowing the club will be safe from going out of existence.
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Post by thornestein on Feb 17, 2024 19:54:19 GMT
as much as i think they’re doing a terrible job , i don’t think we will get better So we literally can't get better than "terrible" then? That's it for us, for the foreseeable future? name me who then , all these foreign ones are dodgy as fuck
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Post by swinny on Feb 17, 2024 19:54:46 GMT
I don't for a second think that John Coates should be the top man running this club.
However after seeing that fan forum the other night, I very much believe he is carrying the full weight of this club and the responsibility on his shoulders. I don't think he looks well at all.
He should at the very least try and employ people that are better suited to it. They could run the club with change from the back of their settee. Financing it without the pressure of 20,000 people wanting to knock your door down must be a better option.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 17, 2024 19:59:49 GMT
How many foreign managers has he or his dad employed? It is 100% xenophobic - absolutely unacceptable in 2024 The problem is when your only option is British and you miss your first target and then the second, you are left with the bottom of the barrel no-hopers which he keeps employing. Cutting out the foreign option is literally robbing you of 95% of the market and nearly all of the quality options. Talking here about a man who will probably be forced out the club if we get relegated, there are plenty of us on here and in Stoke who are fed up with British being the only option - are you happy with that? I personally think even if we fall over the line and survive most if us have had enough of him - he could be here for another 40 years, are you going to be happy if we are staring tier 4 in the face as employs British no-hoper number 30? Needs to unearth the next Bielsa - can you imagine us employing somebody like him Keep digging you're talking shite I normally do - notice you did not answer any of the questions though
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Post by a on Feb 17, 2024 20:00:02 GMT
The same Coventry and WBA who are miles ahead of us currently, the same Portsmouth with an FA cup in there trophy cabinet, the same Sheff Wed who are hot on our tails and the Derby who'll pass us by on our way down?? Mate, look at their finances. I’ve just said we need fundamental changes but to think we will get better owners is fucking retarded. The man does make a couple good points. I’m not for Coates selling up, more like paying top dollar for a proper DOF for a start.
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Post by serpico on Feb 17, 2024 20:02:03 GMT
We need some experienced heads in behind the scenes to help JC, I’d welcome TP or even Michael O’Neil in as DoF, it’s currently a total clown show!
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Post by deeside2 on Feb 17, 2024 20:04:20 GMT
If I remember correctly at the recent Fans evening didn't JC say that after AN was sacked our manager search had covered UK & Europe, then he corrected it to globally, but ultimately Schuey had been identified as the best fit for the club. I'm a little bit sceptical whether that's exactly true or not, aren't you ?
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