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Post by gingerninja on Jan 2, 2024 7:00:04 GMT
He worries me a little bit, apart from his goals, he offers very little, can't beat his man and can't cross. Hopefully when he is fitter and sharper that will improve?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 2, 2024 7:14:21 GMT
Vidigal is decent in front of goal and is good at finding positions in the box, but he hasn't got enough pace for me as a winger. This is why he struggles to beat his man as well. I'm not convinced he is good enough to be in our first 11, but right now we don't have many to choose from.
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Post by idle on Jan 2, 2024 7:22:15 GMT
His lack of pace is the most worrying. His dribbling skills are also kinda meh.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 2, 2024 9:10:35 GMT
He's starting to worry me a little. If he hasnt got the pace to beat his man then he needs to learn to use his body better to protect the ball.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 2, 2024 9:12:30 GMT
When we talk about players we should be worried about, the Vidigal thread should be 3 times the size of the Bonham one.
Apart from the odd goal he’s bringing absolutely nothing to the party right now……
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 2, 2024 9:13:56 GMT
I am glad I am not alone in my worry 👍
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 2, 2024 9:20:48 GMT
When we talk about players we should be worried about, the Vidigal thread should be 3 times the size of the Bonham one. Apart from the odd goal he’s bringing absolutely nothing to the party right now…… Don’t you mean ‘nothing to the parry’?
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Post by gogogadget on Jan 2, 2024 9:21:22 GMT
I think he would be more suited to playing alongside a striker in a 442.
Not something we will be doing,
Easy job for a full back marking him,
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Jan 2, 2024 9:21:54 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 2, 2024 9:21:54 GMT
He's a wide goalscorer and nothing else. Back in the summer I flippantly commented on his highlights reels in Portugal about all of the clips being cut just before he crossed the ball.
Having watched him now for nearly 6 months I know why. The lad can't cross to save his life and he creates nothing either with the ball or off the ball with his movement, which to me is non existent at times.
It's fine aslong as he's a heavy goalscorer, and you can sacrifice the role of your CF to being a creator, as we are doing mainly, but the issues arise when he is very inconsistent at pretty much every facet of his game as he is.
I'd be looking to replace him with more of a creative force if we can and use him as an impact sub until the summer, before offloading him if he can't develop the nuts and bolts of a wingers game.
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Jan 2, 2024 9:25:24 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 2, 2024 9:25:24 GMT
He's a wide goalscorer and nothing else. Back in the summer I flippantly commented on his highlights reels in Portugal about all of the clips being cut just before he crossed the ball. Having watched him now for nearly 6 months I know why. The lad can't cross to save his life and he creates nothing either with the ball or off the ball with his movement, which to me is non existent at times. It's fine aslong as he's a heavy goalscorer, and you can sacrifice the role of your CF to being a creator, as we are doing mainly, but the issues arise when he is very inconsistent at pretty much every facet of his game as he is. I'd be looking to replace him with more of a creative force if we can and use him as a impact sub until the summer, before offloading him if he can't develop the nuts and bolts of a wingers game. Agreed. Vidigal and Leris combined don’t make one decent winger/wide forward.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 2, 2024 9:29:44 GMT
When we talk about players we should be worried about, the Vidigal thread should be 3 times the size of the Bonham one. Apart from the odd goal he’s bringing absolutely nothing to the party right now…… Don’t you mean ‘nothing to the parry’? So that the word he was referring to? Genuinely never clicked as my head is still mashed from the Christmas period…..😂
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Jan 2, 2024 10:43:26 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 2, 2024 10:43:26 GMT
He looked frighteningly slow yesterday. He definitely seemed quicker in September. Running on empty?
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Jan 2, 2024 10:55:10 GMT
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Post by philb on Jan 2, 2024 10:55:10 GMT
He looked frighteningly slow yesterday. He definitely seemed quicker in September. Running on empty? Definitely lost a yard of pace since his injury problems.
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Post by senojbor on Jan 2, 2024 12:39:57 GMT
Post like these really annoy me. Let's have a pop at a player for no good reason.
I for one think he's doing okay, works his socks off and is the top goalscorer despite playing out wide.
Then people come along and suggest we offload him. Give your heads a wobble
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Jan 2, 2024 12:50:30 GMT
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Post by yellowsnowman on Jan 2, 2024 12:50:30 GMT
Your spot on fella.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 2, 2024 12:51:20 GMT
Post like these really annoy me. Let's have a pop at a player for no good reason. I for one think he's doing okay, works his socks off and is the top goalscorer despite playing out wide. Then people come along and suggest we offload him. Give your heads a wobble His pass gave Mmaee his chance in the first half I think. He's not particularly fast but like Mmaee and Junho has quick feet which can worry Championship defenders. Baker has given me some doubt on Saturday as I was convinced the way forward was Vidigal, Mmaee and Haks across the front line with Junho drifting behind. I still think those four could work really well together as they are all clever little players. It seems harsh now though not to give Baker a run of games. I think he is more of an individual though than one who would work in a little group. Doesn't Shumacher have a coach for each area of the pitch though, working on moves and interplay. It might even be him who works with the forwards. Whoever it is they seem to have decided that Mmaee, Junho and Vidigal should definitely be three of the four. I think Junho works better centrally so that leaves Haks wide.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 2, 2024 12:52:36 GMT
He's not a wide player from what I can see. He looks like a striker who just needs to be in and around the box. I would have him competing with mmaee in a two up front playing alongside another striker. Although he seems decent at holding the ball up? Maybe we could work on him and he could make a loan striker?
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 2, 2024 13:54:04 GMT
I think he’s decent enough. He will get better when played in a consistent team alongside Bae and Mmaee. Players need to understand each other to get good results. Now, we are finally playing a system that could get the most out of our players.
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Jan 2, 2024 13:58:47 GMT
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jan 2, 2024 13:58:47 GMT
Just going to remind people, he’s our top scorer. He hasn’t the pace to take a player on out wide, hence why he has scored goals drifting into the middle. That’s his game, drifting in and getting into spaces, he isn’t a pacy winger who will take on his full back, that’s not his game.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 2, 2024 14:03:19 GMT
Post like these really annoy me. Let's have a pop at a player for no good reason. I for one think he's doing okay, works his socks off and is the top goalscorer despite playing out wide. Then people come along and suggest we offload him. Give your heads a wobble People have different opinions. My opinion is that wingers should be lightening fast (he isn't), should be able to graft up and down the line (I don't think he does) and should at least offer a good cross now and then (he doesn't). Goals are great but aren't or shouldn't be top of the list for a wide man, even in modern times, and there is literally nothing else to Vidigal right now than goals. Our lack of pace and guile out wide is the sole reason why we don't have a striker that looks like hitting anywhere near double figures this season. He needs to offer the team a lot more on and off the ball and if he can, great. If not then we need better.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 2, 2024 14:04:15 GMT
He cost us basically the same as two coffees and a muffin in Starbucks. He’s well worth the money, hopefully we’ll get even better in to replace him but I’m happy with his return so far
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Post by sportsman on Jan 2, 2024 14:08:40 GMT
He looked frighteningly slow yesterday. He definitely seemed quicker in September. Running on empty? Running in sunshine and not wind and rain?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2024 14:21:03 GMT
Post like these really annoy me. Let's have a pop at a player for no good reason. I for one think he's doing okay, works his socks off and is the top goalscorer despite playing out wide. Then people come along and suggest we offload him. Give your heads a wobble People have different opinions. My opinion is that wingers should be lightening fast (he isn't), should be able to graft up and down the line (I don't think he does) and should at least offer a good cross now and then (he doesn't). Goals are great but aren't or shouldn't be top of the list for a wide man, even in modern times, and there is literally nothing else to Vidigal right now than goals. Our lack of pace and guile out wide is the sole reason why we don't have a striker that looks like hitting anywhere near double figures this season. He needs to offer the team a lot more on and off the ball and if he can, great. If not then we need better. A wide forward is very different to a winger and you (and me) need to bear that in mind when making observations such as those above. In a 4-3-3, the wide forwards are not wingers in the true sense of the word so what we expect to see from them and what the manager expects to see from them are probably 2 totally different things. I always want to see wide players capable of going past players but Victor Moses aside, when was the last genuinely quick wide player we had? Arnie wasn't slow but he was more brawn than speed in that wide role and Shaqiri was never the quickest. Even watching Liverpool last night, their wide players could hardly be described as wingers and were equally as guilty of the things that we are accusing Vidigal of here.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 2, 2024 14:23:29 GMT
He looked frighteningly slow yesterday. He definitely seemed quicker in September. Running on empty? Running in sunshine and not wind and rain? Kenwynne syndrome. He also appears to have become exceptionally mard and melodramatic, maybe it's just another symptom of the same ailment. Get him back in form in the spring and fuck him off for a quick profit for me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2024 14:26:08 GMT
In terms of work rate and effort yesterday he was absolutely fine.
Going forward his crossing was poor.
But he kept going which was good.
As others have said, he cost fuck all, is our top scorer and will probably end the season with 10 league goals.
There’s nothing really to moan about.
The issues are the other ones.
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Jan 2, 2024 14:29:35 GMT
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Jan 2, 2024 14:29:35 GMT
What did he cost? About £450k, rumoured?
I think what we're seeing right now is proof that having nice technical ability alone, isn't enough.
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Post by rowleyscfc on Jan 2, 2024 14:42:15 GMT
450k, our top scorer, been out for a decent chunk of the season so far and people still don't like him, good player just set his bar so high early on he was never going keep on at that level.
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Jan 2, 2024 14:43:48 GMT
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Post by tejstokie on Jan 2, 2024 14:43:48 GMT
I don't get the boo booing of a player who is our top scorer and joint shout for best finisher at the club who is being played out of position? If Mmaee was on the wing would we be seeing the same said re pace? If we were healthy and used youth, vidigal and mmaee could be our front two lineup where they should both be but we're persistent with a lone striker with no support. Insert Gayle, Wes and Mmaee here. It's not the individual efforts, it's shit usage and cope tactics due to AN's shit squad coverage he left us. Same re Bae and being hung out on the wing. Everytime I see Junho and Vidigal out wide I caulk it as not their fault for doing an additional job.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 2, 2024 16:12:28 GMT
In terms of work rate and effort yesterday he was absolutely fine. Going forward his crossing was poor. But he kept going which was good. As others have said, he cost fuck all, is our top scorer and will probably end the season with 10 league goals. There’s nothing really to moan about. The issues are the other ones. Sounds very Jacob Brown like…😆
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2024 16:25:17 GMT
In terms of work rate and effort yesterday he was absolutely fine. Going forward his crossing was poor. But he kept going which was good. As others have said, he cost fuck all, is our top scorer and will probably end the season with 10 league goals. There’s nothing really to moan about. The issues are the other ones. Sounds very Jacob Brown like…😆 Brown cost us 2 million didn’t he?
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