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Post by ElworthPotter on Jan 2, 2024 22:35:34 GMT
He was poor yesterday. Made to look slow and weak by Tuanzebe and then got no joy out of Clarke on the other side. Junho was the only one of the front 3 that performed yesterday. Mmaee was equally poor. That said, they did press very well and Ipswich struggled to play out. In possession, though, not good enough.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 3, 2024 1:18:54 GMT
My favourite was when we were down to 10 men backs against it, he gets knocked off the ball quite easily then rolls around on the floor while they attacked and leaving us with 9 men. He was down for a good minute before realising nobody cared and got back up! Needs knock it out of his game as i don't think i've seen him get a free kick for it. It’s what modern footballers do. Doesn't make it ok. Every time they fake an injury it should be done to them after the match. There should be a fifth official on the sideline waiting with a two-handed mallet.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 3, 2024 1:24:50 GMT
It’s what modern footballers do. Doesn't make it ok. Every time they fake an injury it should be done to them after the match. There should be a fifth official on the sideline waiting with a two-handed mallet. I completely agree. I abhor the cheating in football. Unfortunately, it just seems like part of the modern day game.
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Post by st3mark on Jan 3, 2024 8:09:36 GMT
He's a nice lad,that helps.
He gets into scoring positions and has grabbed some goals. Although he has missed some sitters as aswell.
For a wide player his crossing is atrocious which is really disappointing and probably why he was so cheap.
Rarely beats his man but on the whole we've already got our money's worth out of him. He was a bargain, is our top scorer and will score a few more.
Need better to go up though.
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Post by flea79 on Jan 3, 2024 17:07:55 GMT
he is still better than Michael Kightly, so keep it up Andre lad!
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Jan 3, 2024 17:12:45 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jan 3, 2024 17:12:45 GMT
Doesn't make it ok. Every time they fake an injury it should be done to them after the match. There should be a fifth official on the sideline waiting with a two-handed mallet. I completely agree. I abhor the cheating in football. Unfortunately, it just seems like part of the modern day game. Not a modern day thing European games in the 70s and 80 s were virtually unwatchable With the game being so much faster now is far harder to distinguish
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Jan 3, 2024 19:33:05 GMT
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Post by sensiblestokie on Jan 3, 2024 19:33:05 GMT
Lost me at ‘apart from scoring goals’
He’s a good player, with limitations. Or he wouldn’t be here
Some of the shite we’ve seen recently I’ll take someone else ho only offers goals
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Post by malisastokie on Jan 3, 2024 19:53:24 GMT
Vidigal is work in progress.
He started well in terms of scoring goals.
I agree he can’t cross a ball, but what if he could ?
Who would get on the end of the cross?
Is that they type football SS wants to play ?
Or does he want to play a lot of forward short passes, which was evident in the Watford game where we tried to walk the into the net.
I think we have a good modern manager and if he thinks he fits how we are going to play , if not let let go .
If he is part of what SS wants then develop him
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Post by TinkerT on Jan 3, 2024 20:00:25 GMT
Like what the fuck do stoke fans expect? He's 6 months down the line in a totally brand new country and has already bagged 5 goals. He's kicked off the park nearly every game, it will take him this season get used to the speed and number of games, same as ry. Some stoke fans are absolutely fucking embarrassing.
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Jan 3, 2024 20:05:36 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Jan 3, 2024 20:05:36 GMT
Lost me at ‘apart from scoring goals’ He’s a good player, with limitations. Or he wouldn’t be here Some of the shite we’ve seen recently I’ll take someone else ho only offers goals This is typical of Stoke fans ‘let’s settle for mediocre, low end rubbish’ yet again. Look at the good wingers in the league. Jack Clarke, Morgan Whittaker (cost £1m) Dan James, Crysencio Summerville, Philogene Bidace etc. They all have 12/13 goals and a bagful of assists to their name already. They are the stats you need to get anywhere up this table. Vidigal has scored 5 league goals, and that’s about it. Every team in the league, including those at the bottom of the table have a winger with those similar stats. I don’t get what this argument for Vidigal is that he scores goals. He’s simply performing well below par for the league. Stop defending rubbish folks, we need to aim higher!
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Jan 3, 2024 20:07:53 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 3, 2024 20:07:53 GMT
Lost me at ‘apart from scoring goals’ He’s a good player, with limitations. Or he wouldn’t be here Some of the shite we’ve seen recently I’ll take someone else ho only offers goals This is typical of Stoke fans ‘let’s settle for mediocre, low end rubbish’ yet again. Look at the good wingers in the league. Jack Clarke, Morgan Whittaker (cost £1m) Dan James, Crysencio Summerville, Philogene Bidace etc. They all have 12/13 goals and a bagful of assists to their name already. They are the stats you need to get anywhere up this table. Vidigal has scored 5 league goals, and that’s about it. Every team in the league, including those at the bottom of the table have a winger with those similar stats. I don’t get what this argument for Vidigal is that he scores goals. He’s simply performing well below par for the league. Stop defending rubbish folks, we need to aim higher! Funny you pick out Clarke and Bidace. How well did they do for us?
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Jan 3, 2024 20:09:17 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Jan 3, 2024 20:09:17 GMT
This is typical of Stoke fans ‘let’s settle for mediocre, low end rubbish’ yet again. Look at the good wingers in the league. Jack Clarke, Morgan Whittaker (cost £1m) Dan James, Crysencio Summerville, Philogene Bidace etc. They all have 12/13 goals and a bagful of assists to their name already. They are the stats you need to get anywhere up this table. Vidigal has scored 5 league goals, and that’s about it. Every team in the league, including those at the bottom of the table have a winger with those similar stats. I don’t get what this argument for Vidigal is that he scores goals. He’s simply performing well below par for the league. Stop defending rubbish folks, we need to aim higher! Funny you pick out Clarke and Bidace. How well did they do for us? I’m picking out the best wingers in the league this season, and the bench mark which they are setting.
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Jan 3, 2024 20:22:15 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jan 3, 2024 20:22:15 GMT
Funny you pick out Clarke and Bidace. How well did they do for us? I’m picking out the best wingers in the league this season, and the bench mark which they are setting. Fair. It's a shame we missed out on signing Bidace as his pace and directness will take him to the premier league. With Vidigal he is limited, below average at pretty much everything apart from finishing which he is consistently excellent at, not just with us, but in all leagues hes top 15% for xg. We need to get him playing narrower and closer to Mmaee. If we do that we could start to get more goals which is what we need.
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Jan 3, 2024 20:35:57 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Jan 3, 2024 20:35:57 GMT
Funny you pick out Clarke and Bidace. How well did they do for us? I’m picking out the best wingers in the league this season, and the bench mark which they are setting. Your also picking out players who have played in England all there lives and not moved to a complete different country playing in probably the roughest league in the world with the level of physicality and number of games, something Andre will never have been used too. Cut the man some slack otherwise stump up the 5 million quid yourself for us to offset ffp and get this mythical 15 goal a season winger the rest of the clowns on here think we can sign. Absolute crazy.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Jan 3, 2024 20:41:05 GMT
I’m picking out the best wingers in the league this season, and the bench mark which they are setting. Your also picking out players who have played in England all there lives and not moved to a complete different country playing in probably the roughest league in the world with the level of physicality and number of games, something Andre will never have been used too. Cut the man some slack otherwise stump up the 5 million quid yourself for us to offset ffp and get this mythical 15 goal a season winger the rest of the clowns on here think we can sign. Absolute crazy. Hahahaha what an absolutely pathetic post. Look at stats rather than happy clapping rubbish. Those wingers I’ve mentioned are on 12 goals right now, with half a season still to play. One of them cost 1 million pounds. We spent that on Jojic. Idiot.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 3, 2024 21:07:47 GMT
Lost me at ‘apart from scoring goals’ He’s a good player, with limitations. Or he wouldn’t be here Some of the shite we’ve seen recently I’ll take someone else ho only offers goals This is typical of Stoke fans ‘let’s settle for mediocre, low end rubbish’ yet again. Look at the good wingers in the league. Jack Clarke, Morgan Whittaker (cost £1m) Dan James, Crysencio Summerville, Philogene Bidace etc. They all have 12/13 goals and a bagful of assists to their name already. They are the stats you need to get anywhere up this table. Vidigal has scored 5 league goals, and that’s about it. Every team in the league, including those at the bottom of the table have a winger with those similar stats. I don’t get what this argument for Vidigal is that he scores goals. He’s simply performing well below par for the league. Stop defending rubbish folks, we need to aim higher! JPB has scored 6. Dan James (cost Leeds about 25 million) has got 8. Summerville likely cost a fortune and wasn’t Clarke around £7 million? Whittaker is scoring a lot.
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Jan 3, 2024 21:14:07 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Jan 3, 2024 21:14:07 GMT
This is typical of Stoke fans ‘let’s settle for mediocre, low end rubbish’ yet again. Look at the good wingers in the league. Jack Clarke, Morgan Whittaker (cost £1m) Dan James, Crysencio Summerville, Philogene Bidace etc. They all have 12/13 goals and a bagful of assists to their name already. They are the stats you need to get anywhere up this table. Vidigal has scored 5 league goals, and that’s about it. Every team in the league, including those at the bottom of the table have a winger with those similar stats. I don’t get what this argument for Vidigal is that he scores goals. He’s simply performing well below par for the league. Stop defending rubbish folks, we need to aim higher! JPB has scored 6. Dan James (cost Leeds about 25 million) has got 8. Summerville likely cost a fortune and wasn’t Clarke around £7 million? Whittaker is scoring a lot. Look at their assists though. They are scoring goals and assisting. That’s what you need. What Vidigal offers currently, doesn’t get you top half/playoff chasing football. It gets you where we are now, low scoring bottom half rubbish.
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Jan 3, 2024 21:18:39 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 3, 2024 21:18:39 GMT
JPB has scored 6. Dan James (cost Leeds about 25 million) has got 8. Summerville likely cost a fortune and wasn’t Clarke around £7 million? Whittaker is scoring a lot. Look at their assists though. They are scoring goals and assisting. That’s what you need. What Vidigal offers currently, doesn’t get you top half/playoff chasing football. It gets you where we are now, low scoring bottom half rubbish. We have been set up in a way that was never going to work for any of our attacking players under AN. It’s challenging to truly judge a team when they are playing in a way that doesn’t suit a single one of them. I’m curious to see what Vidigal’s tally will be at the end of the season. I suspect it will be somewhere around 10 goals with 5+ assists.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Jan 3, 2024 22:18:41 GMT
Lost me at ‘apart from scoring goals’ He’s a good player, with limitations. Or he wouldn’t be here Some of the shite we’ve seen recently I’ll take someone else ho only offers goals This is typical of Stoke fans ‘let’s settle for mediocre, low end rubbish’ yet again. Look at the good wingers in the league. Jack Clarke, Morgan Whittaker (cost £1m) Dan James, Crysencio Summerville, Philogene Bidace etc. They all have 12/13 goals and a bagful of assists to their name already. They are the stats you need to get anywhere up this table. Vidigal has scored 5 league goals, and that’s about it. Every team in the league, including those at the bottom of the table have a winger with those similar stats. I don’t get what this argument for Vidigal is that he scores goals. He’s simply performing well below par for the league. Stop defending rubbish folks, we need to aim higher! How is that settling for mediocrity? We were all loving him at the start of the season. He’s been injured and not looked as good, but still been decent. Who do you expect us to sign? You think I’m all for mediocrity but you need to get real mate.
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Jan 3, 2024 23:21:19 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Jan 3, 2024 23:21:19 GMT
This is typical of Stoke fans ‘let’s settle for mediocre, low end rubbish’ yet again. Look at the good wingers in the league. Jack Clarke, Morgan Whittaker (cost £1m) Dan James, Crysencio Summerville, Philogene Bidace etc. They all have 12/13 goals and a bagful of assists to their name already. They are the stats you need to get anywhere up this table. Vidigal has scored 5 league goals, and that’s about it. Every team in the league, including those at the bottom of the table have a winger with those similar stats. I don’t get what this argument for Vidigal is that he scores goals. He’s simply performing well below par for the league. Stop defending rubbish folks, we need to aim higher! How is that settling for mediocrity? We were all loving him at the start of the season. He’s been injured and not looked as good, but still been decent. Who do you expect us to sign? You think I’m all for mediocrity but you need to get real mate. Get real? Our top scorer has 5 goals and it’s January. Our fans are absolutely pathetic and deserve every game of crap they are served up. He scored a few goals against league cannon fodder Rotherham, one against Watford at home, a consolation against hull when 3-0 down and a goal against Birmingham who were that bad they’ve just sacked their manger right after. His stats are poor and he’s not adding much to the team. We are where we are for a reason. Don’t give me all this well who do you expect us to sign and to get real. We’ve spent some of the biggest budgets in the league for the past 5 years running. It’s pathetic. Like I said earlier, Morgan Whittaker, a proper winger (see his stats Vs St Andre) cost less than that Jojic who we’ve hardly even seen! Another that slipped through our multi million pound recruitment team. Edit, just had a look and in 18 games he hasn’t got one single assist all season. He's only been injured for 5 league games all season so that’s a poor excuse too. He’s a winger ffs! They are absolutely abysmal stats. It just sums us up as fans that he is taking god like status here. Joke City fc!
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jan 3, 2024 23:34:49 GMT
How is that settling for mediocrity? We were all loving him at the start of the season. He’s been injured and not looked as good, but still been decent. Who do you expect us to sign? You think I’m all for mediocrity but you need to get real mate. Get real? Our top scorer has 5 goals and it’s January. Our fans are absolutely pathetic and deserve every game of crap they are served up. He scored a few goals against league cannon fodder Rotherham, one against Watford at home, a consolation against hull when 3-0 down and a goal against Birmingham who were that bad they’ve just sacked their manger right after. His stats are poor and he’s not adding much to the team. We are where we are for a reason. Don’t give me all this well who do you expect us to sign and to get real. We’ve spent some of the biggest budgets in the league for the past 5 years running. It’s pathetic. Like I said earlier, Morgan Whittaker, a proper winger (see his stats Vs St Andre) cost less than that Jojic who we’ve hardly even seen! Another that slipped through our multi million pound recruitment team. Edit, just had a look and in 18 games he hasn’t got one single assist all season. He’s a winger ffs! It’s absolutely abysmal stats. It just sums us up as fans that he is taking god like status here. Joke City fc! You don't half talk an incredible amount of bollocks
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Jan 3, 2024 23:42:59 GMT
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Post by theporcelainpele on Jan 3, 2024 23:42:59 GMT
Get real? Our top scorer has 5 goals and it’s January. Our fans are absolutely pathetic and deserve every game of crap they are served up. He scored a few goals against league cannon fodder Rotherham, one against Watford at home, a consolation against hull when 3-0 down and a goal against Birmingham who were that bad they’ve just sacked their manger right after. His stats are poor and he’s not adding much to the team. We are where we are for a reason. Don’t give me all this well who do you expect us to sign and to get real. We’ve spent some of the biggest budgets in the league for the past 5 years running. It’s pathetic. Like I said earlier, Morgan Whittaker, a proper winger (see his stats Vs St Andre) cost less than that Jojic who we’ve hardly even seen! Another that slipped through our multi million pound recruitment team. Edit, just had a look and in 18 games he hasn’t got one single assist all season. He’s a winger ffs! It’s absolutely abysmal stats. It just sums us up as fans that he is taking god like status here. Joke City fc! You don't half talk an incredible amount of bollocks How’s it bollocks you prick? Big brave Joe another one happy with a winger without an assist all season and currently on a run of 16 games 1 goal 0 assists. Clueless, stupid football fans.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Jan 4, 2024 0:30:59 GMT
You don't half talk an incredible amount of bollocks How’s it bollocks you prick? Big brave Joe another one happy with a winger without an assist all season and currently on a run of 16 games 1 goal 0 assists. Clueless, stupid football fans. You had a few too many shandy’s mate?
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jan 4, 2024 0:32:01 GMT
How’s it bollocks you prick? Big brave Joe another one happy with a winger without an assist all season and currently on a run of 16 games 1 goal 0 assists. Clueless, stupid football fans. You had a few too many shandy’s mate? Yeah he's had 1. He's one of those with a shoe size higher than his IQ.
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Post by boothenesque on Jan 4, 2024 0:47:26 GMT
Lost me at ‘apart from scoring goals’ He’s a good player, with limitations. Or he wouldn’t be here Some of the shite we’ve seen recently I’ll take someone else ho only offers goals This is typical of Stoke fans ‘let’s settle for mediocre, low end rubbish’ yet again. Look at the good wingers in the league. Jack Clarke, Morgan Whittaker (cost £1m) Dan James, Crysencio Summerville, Philogene Bidace etc. They all have 12/13 goals and a bagful of assists to their name already. They are the stats you need to get anywhere up this table. Vidigal has scored 5 league goals, and that’s about it. Every team in the league, including those at the bottom of the table have a winger with those similar stats. I don’t get what this argument for Vidigal is that he scores goals. He’s simply performing well below par for the league. Stop defending rubbish folks, we need to aim higher! Bidace and Clarke were slagged off as shit when they were here. The ones who are rubbish are the Stoke fans continually bleating and whining. He cost £450k, in this country a few months, did good, then injured and then not great, got a decent goal at Birmingham. Get off the lad's back ffs
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Post by theporcelainpele on Jan 4, 2024 0:49:36 GMT
This is typical of Stoke fans ‘let’s settle for mediocre, low end rubbish’ yet again. Look at the good wingers in the league. Jack Clarke, Morgan Whittaker (cost £1m) Dan James, Crysencio Summerville, Philogene Bidace etc. They all have 12/13 goals and a bagful of assists to their name already. They are the stats you need to get anywhere up this table. Vidigal has scored 5 league goals, and that’s about it. Every team in the league, including those at the bottom of the table have a winger with those similar stats. I don’t get what this argument for Vidigal is that he scores goals. He’s simply performing well below par for the league. Stop defending rubbish folks, we need to aim higher! Bidace and Clarke were slagged off as shit when they were here. The ones who are rubbish are the Stoke fans continually bleating and whining. He cost £450k, in this country a few months, did good, then injured and then not great, got a decent goal at Birmingham. Get off the lad's back ffs So in 16 consecutive games, 1 goal and 0 assists is acceptable and where we are at. Brilliant. Take a look at our goals for column and then look at the rest of the leagues. You are actually praising and backing the cause of this. It’s absolutely baffling!
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Post by theporcelainpele on Jan 4, 2024 0:56:39 GMT
You had a few too many shandy’s mate? Yeah he's had 1. He's one of those with a shoe size higher than his IQ. What a pathetic gimp you are Joseph!
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 4, 2024 9:58:27 GMT
Funny you pick out Clarke and Bidace. How well did they do for us? I’m picking out the best wingers in the league this season, and the bench mark which they are setting. You are taking a very one-sided view of a player's ability. Neither Clarke or Philogene set the world alight for us either. They were either not used correctly or didn't fit MON's system. What were your opinions of Clarke and Philogene when they were with us by the way? Did you think they were gash as well?! I do agree with you though, if we had £1M to spend in the summer we should have been in for someone like Whittaker instead of Jojić or Léris. Definitely dropped a bollock there. However, given the right system to play in and if he mans up a bit as well, Vidigal can become a seriously good player for us in the same way that Clarke and Philogene are now. You just have to accept he's a work in progress.
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Post by theporcelainpele on Jan 4, 2024 10:07:53 GMT
I’m picking out the best wingers in the league this season, and the bench mark which they are setting. You are taking a very one-sided view of a player's ability. Neither Clarke or Philogene set the world alight for us either. They were either not used correctly or didn't fit MON's system. What were your opinions of Clarke and Philogene when they were with us by the way? Did you think they were gash as well?! I do agree with you though, if we had £1M to spend in the summer we should have been in for someone like Whittaker instead of Jojić or Léris. Definitely dropped a bollock there. However, given the right system to play in and if he mans up a bit as well, Vidigal can become a seriously good player for us in the same way that Clarke and Philogene are now. You just have to accept he's a work in progress. I liked Bidace, he could take his man on and make something happen and he had raw pace. Clarke I thought was too lightweight and I knew that we’d got him too early, I don’t like players that go down so easy as to break the play up etc all the time (like Powell used to) when he reappeared for Sunderland he looked twice the size which has helped him obviously. That’s down to man management within the club. I don’t see how at all my criticism of Vidigal is out of order. His stats are woeful. To play that amount of games as a winger in a front three and have zero assists is pitiful. He’s scored 5 goals and people are talking him up like he’s the best thing we’ve had for years. Over Half of those goals came against two woeful teams in Rotherham and Birmingham. He’s done absolutely nothing. Lightweight, no pace, can’t beat a man, can’t cross, awful passing, can’t head the ball. What the hell is the obsession! I’m being genuine! I want good players for stoke!
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 4, 2024 10:45:37 GMT
Lost me at ‘apart from scoring goals’ He’s a good player, with limitations. Or he wouldn’t be here Some of the shite we’ve seen recently I’ll take someone else ho only offers goals So how many players have scored 5, 6 including cup games in 18 appearances for Stoke in the last 5 years? If you look at his season stats the number of minutes he has played is in the bottom 50% in the Championship, his goals scored and xG per 90 minutes is in the top 10% and even taking into account his lack of assists he is still in the top 20% for goal involvement.
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