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Post by glpotter on Jan 2, 2024 16:27:11 GMT
Stoke fans moaning about our top goal scorer who cost 500k
You couldn’t write it…
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Post by baconburger on Jan 2, 2024 16:31:22 GMT
Stoke fans moaning about our top goal scorer who cost 500k You couldn’t write it… I don't even think it was pounds but euros. I'd still fuck him off for a modest profit even if he regains form in the spring which I already kind of anticipate.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jan 2, 2024 16:46:18 GMT
6 goals in 19 appearances isn’t to be sniffed at really.
Especially in a team that’s been as poor going forward as we have been this season.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jan 2, 2024 16:47:36 GMT
He shot himself in the foot by getting off to a great start and setting expectations.
I like him, but he does seem to have lost a yard since he joined which is odd to say the least.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 2, 2024 16:56:18 GMT
His form seems to have mirrored the form of the team - started well, (got injured), didn't do much and of late has been ok. Also he's been at his best snapping up half chances in the box and of late we haven't been creating much in the box and he's been playing wider. No reason he can't come good again if we move him inside and create more from midfield.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Jan 2, 2024 17:01:15 GMT
Post like these really annoy me. Let's have a pop at a player for no good reason. I for one think he's doing okay, works his socks off and is the top goalscorer despite playing out wide. Then people come along and suggest we offload him. Give your heads a wobble People have different opinions. My opinion is that wingers should be lightening fast (he isn't), should be able to graft up and down the line (I don't think he does) and should at least offer a good cross now and then (he doesn't). Goals are great but aren't or shouldn't be top of the list for a wide man, even in modern times, and there is literally nothing else to Vidigal right now than goals. Our lack of pace and guile out wide is the sole reason why we don't have a striker that looks like hitting anywhere near double figures this season. He needs to offer the team a lot more on and off the ball and if he can, great. If not then we need better. The second paragraph of your reply made me chuckle! Criticising a player for scoring goals instead of charging up and down the wing is a new one!!
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jan 2, 2024 17:01:29 GMT
In terms of work rate and effort yesterday he was absolutely fine. Going forward his crossing was poor. But he kept going which was good. As others have said, he cost fuck all, is our top scorer and will probably end the season with 10 league goals. There’s nothing really to moan about. The issues are the other ones. Main problem I and the people around me had with him was his constant rolling around on the floor. When we were down to 10 he lay on the floor for an age when there was absolutely nothing wrong with him and left his teammates down to 9 without him. If he'd been my teammate in that moment I'd have gone mad at him in the dressing room afterwards. He cost nothing so his lack of output isn't a massive issue really. But for a winger he is completely stifled by bang average full backs, so best he be played closer to Mmaee.
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Jan 2, 2024 17:12:01 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 2, 2024 17:12:01 GMT
Running in sunshine and not wind and rain? Kenwynne syndrome. He also appears to have become exceptionally mard and melodramatic, maybe it's just another symptom of the same ailment. Get him back in form in the spring and fuck him off for a quick profit for me. Could it not also be that he was a bit more fresh at the beginning of the season? He’s come back from an injury and then been thrown into a very congested fixture list.
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Post by boothenesque on Jan 2, 2024 17:22:07 GMT
The best thing would be to carry on moaning, give him loads of grief on the pitch, drive him out and he lands on his feet at Benfica.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 2, 2024 17:36:05 GMT
Kenwynne syndrome. He also appears to have become exceptionally mard and melodramatic, maybe it's just another symptom of the same ailment. Get him back in form in the spring and fuck him off for a quick profit for me. Could it not also be that he was a bit more fresh at the beginning of the season? He’s come back from an injury and then been thrown into a very congested fixture list. Has it made him all mardy too?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 17:38:52 GMT
I always find it fun to have a little bet with the old man to see how many times he will role on the floor holding his face.
He's exactly what you expect for the money paid, average player who had a purple patch for a few games. Don't think he will be a starter after January and thats fine.
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Jan 2, 2024 17:43:23 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 2, 2024 17:43:23 GMT
Could it not also be that he was a bit more fresh at the beginning of the season? He’s come back from an injury and then been thrown into a very congested fixture list. Has it made him all mardy too? When was he not “mardy”? He’s a footballer, that’s what they do. Whinge and cheat.
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Post by baconburger on Jan 2, 2024 17:51:24 GMT
Has it made him all mardy too? When was he not “mardy”? He’s a footballer, that’s what they do. Whinge and cheat. I think he's getting much much worse for it, see the example of another poster above. He goes down holding his face, stays down for ages then there's not a mark or a swelling or anything to be seen. It's really starting to rub me up the wrong way. And yes I agree there are very few of them who don't do it at all, they really must have no self respect.
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Post by pieofpeter on Jan 2, 2024 17:58:35 GMT
Takes players up to a year to settle in British football.
Think also he will get better with better players around him, with Mmaee, Bae, Burger and Junior.
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Post by wazbagsbro on Jan 2, 2024 18:01:11 GMT
When was he not “mardy”? He’s a footballer, that’s what they do. Whinge and cheat. I think he's getting much much worse for it, see the example of another poster above. He goes down holding his face, stays down for ages then there's not a mark or a swelling or anything to be seen. It's really starting to rub me up the wrong way. And yes I agree there are very few of them who don't do it at all, they really must have no self respect. The thing is a few years back we laughed at the European players for this gamesmanship, now it’s common practice in the premier, championship and spreading. It’s now uncommon to see a player get up and try to play on. Sad as fuck but our youngsters will be practicing being fouled/ hurt in the playground. And supporters are now shocked when their player doesn’t play for a penalty. More common than not
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Post by baconburger on Jan 2, 2024 18:02:36 GMT
I think he's getting much much worse for it, see the example of another poster above. He goes down holding his face, stays down for ages then there's not a mark or a swelling or anything to be seen. It's really starting to rub me up the wrong way. And yes I agree there are very few of them who don't do it at all, they really must have no self respect. The thing is a few years back we laughed at the European players for this gamesmanship, now it’s common practice in the premier, championship and spreading. It’s now uncommon to see a player get up and try to play on. Sad as fuck but our youngsters will be practicing being fouled/ hurt in the playground. And supporters are now shocked when their player doesn’t play for a penalty. More common than not It is but you don't have to like it. Yellow card if they go down holding their face and there isn't a mark of some sort. I know the little bitches would then just scratch themselves.
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Jan 2, 2024 18:02:58 GMT
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Post by wazbagsbro on Jan 2, 2024 18:02:58 GMT
I think he's getting much much worse for it, see the example of another poster above. He goes down holding his face, stays down for ages then there's not a mark or a swelling or anything to be seen. It's really starting to rub me up the wrong way. And yes I agree there are very few of them who don't do it at all, they really must have no self respect. The thing is a few years back we laughed at the European players for this gamesmanship, now it’s common practice in the premier, championship and spreading. It’s now uncommon to see a player get up and try to play on. Sad as fuck but our youngsters will be practicing being fouled/ hurt in the playground. And supporters are now shocked when their player doesn’t play for a penalty. More common than not Punctuation is terrible sorry,
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Jan 2, 2024 18:05:04 GMT
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Post by wazbagsbro on Jan 2, 2024 18:05:04 GMT
The peno Liverpool got yesterday was shocking, embarrassing but successful. Sad
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Jan 2, 2024 18:12:32 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 2, 2024 18:12:32 GMT
He has done exactly what I expected him to which is go off the boil in the winter months. I imagine he will get better from the end of February.
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Jan 2, 2024 18:30:08 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 2, 2024 18:30:08 GMT
When was he not “mardy”? He’s a footballer, that’s what they do. Whinge and cheat. I think he's getting much much worse for it, see the example of another poster above. He goes down holding his face, stays down for ages then there's not a mark or a swelling or anything to be seen. It's really starting to rub me up the wrong way. And yes I agree there are very few of them who don't do it at all, they really must have no self respect. “He goes down holding his face, stays down for ages then there's not a mark or a swelling or anything to be seen. It's really starting to rub me up the wrong way.” It’s called modern football. Cheat to win.
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Post by pushon on Jan 2, 2024 18:42:45 GMT
I think he's getting much much worse for it, see the example of another poster above. He goes down holding his face, stays down for ages then there's not a mark or a swelling or anything to be seen. It's really starting to rub me up the wrong way. And yes I agree there are very few of them who don't do it at all, they really must have no self respect. “He goes down holding his face, stays down for ages then there's not a mark or a swelling or anything to be seen. It's really starting to rub me up the wrong way.” It’s called modern football. Cheat to win. A bit like Campbell, though Vidigal is a better finisher.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 2, 2024 18:43:55 GMT
Ran his nads into the ground yesterday as did all the players.
He does have a good touch and can take a player on, but he had more than one player around him when he did get the ball yesterday and as our manager said he was a player they studied before his Plymouth side took on Stoke.
When I see effort like yesterday then I am behind the team no matter what and, for me, we don't need to single players out, but we are on a fanzine so all is fair I suppose.
SS mentions non-negotiables a lot and clearly one of those is you run your nads into the ground for the team/club/fans - at this moment in time that is all I care about, we are in a real scrap and we will be ok if we apply ourselves like we are doing.
There is quality and spirit in our squad though and we need to add some more of both in the window if we want to be able to compete with these top half teams and be one ourselves
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Post by baconburger on Jan 2, 2024 18:44:04 GMT
“He goes down holding his face, stays down for ages then there's not a mark or a swelling or anything to be seen. It's really starting to rub me up the wrong way.” It’s called modern football. Cheat to win. A bit like Campbell, though Vidigal is a better finisher. Disagree on both counts.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 2, 2024 19:34:32 GMT
I don't get the boo booing of a player who is our top scorer and joint shout for best finisher at the club who is being played out of position? If Mmaee was on the wing would we be seeing the same said re pace? If we were healthy and used youth, vidigal and mmaee could be our front two lineup where they should both be but we're persistent with a lone striker with no support. Insert Gayle, Wes and Mmaee here. It's not the individual efforts, it's shit usage and cope tactics due to AN's shit squad coverage he left us. Same re Bae and being hung out on the wing. Everytime I see Junho and Vidigal out wide I caulk it as not their fault for doing an additional job. I'd only boo vidders for his tendency to roll around on the floor. Otherwise he seems a lovable lad who could be a real joy to watch play. I think he's interesting to chat about. Are his downsides a matter of training, tactics or ability? How can we get the most out of him? E.g. with Mmae I was convinced that he'd be dead useful once we changed tactics. Think that's looking like a good bet now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 19:59:24 GMT
When was he not “mardy”? He’s a footballer, that’s what they do. Whinge and cheat. I think he's getting much much worse for it, see the example of another poster above. He goes down holding his face, stays down for ages then there's not a mark or a swelling or anything to be seen. It's really starting to rub me up the wrong way. And yes I agree there are very few of them who don't do it at all, they really must have no self respect. My favourite was when we were down to 10 men backs against it, he gets knocked off the ball quite easily then rolls around on the floor while they attacked and leaving us with 9 men. He was down for a good minute before realising nobody cared and got back up! Needs knock it out of his game as i don't think i've seen him get a free kick for it.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 2, 2024 20:20:34 GMT
When Schuey was interviewed after the Brum game he said that when Stoke played Plymouth a few weeks ago he identified Vidigal as one of the main threats. The manager likes him and I think the majority seem on board with the manager's judgement so far.
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Jan 2, 2024 20:24:13 GMT
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Post by matelot1996 on Jan 2, 2024 20:24:13 GMT
I dont see the physicality or a good footballing Brain in there. He does put the effort into his game but that doesn’t always produce the desired results. Need some serious work from our coaches.
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Jan 2, 2024 20:38:03 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 2, 2024 20:38:03 GMT
I think he's getting much much worse for it, see the example of another poster above. He goes down holding his face, stays down for ages then there's not a mark or a swelling or anything to be seen. It's really starting to rub me up the wrong way. And yes I agree there are very few of them who don't do it at all, they really must have no self respect. My favourite was when we were down to 10 men backs against it, he gets knocked off the ball quite easily then rolls around on the floor while they attacked and leaving us with 9 men. He was down for a good minute before realising nobody cared and got back up! Needs knock it out of his game as i don't think i've seen him get a free kick for it. It’s what modern footballers do.
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Jan 2, 2024 20:43:35 GMT
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Post by stokest5 on Jan 2, 2024 20:43:35 GMT
He’s a bit lightweight and rolls around a bit too much on the floor but imo he’s still got potential to score a few. It’s the same thing with a lot of strikers and it comes down to confidence. Hopefully he bags a few and kicks on.
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Post by march4 on Jan 2, 2024 20:43:58 GMT
“He goes down holding his face, stays down for ages then there's not a mark or a swelling or anything to be seen. It's really starting to rub me up the wrong way.” It’s called modern football. Cheat to win. A bit like Campbell, though Vidigal is a better finisher. Ermmmm!
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