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Post by idle on Dec 27, 2023 7:29:49 GMT
I couldn't really get a grip on the formation last night. Was it a 3-4-1-2? 3-4-3? 4-2-3-1?
To me it looked like a kind of skewed 3-4-1-2 with Gooch roaming on the left, Junior on the right, and Hoever just popping up in attack willy-nilly.
Up front Mmaee was a false 9 dropping back while Vidigal drifted inside from the right side, and Bae linking the midfield to them both.
Either way, it worked!
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Post by TinkerT on Dec 27, 2023 7:41:07 GMT
4 1 3 2 Gooch played wide left but worked back a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 7:45:47 GMT
Looked every inch a 4141 to me 🤷
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Post by idle on Dec 27, 2023 7:56:40 GMT
If it was a 4-1-4-1 Hoever played LB but came inside all the time? Could be
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Post by figo85 on Dec 27, 2023 8:05:54 GMT
Both Hoever and Xanadu were possibly inverted wing backs ? Seems to be the modern role for the position.
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Post by headsgoup on Dec 27, 2023 8:06:24 GMT
4231 I think, but both Junior and Hoever had a lot of license to roam - Junior in particular was all over the gaff.
Also, I'm pretty certain he told Junho, Vidigal, Gooch and Mmaee to work more as a unit rather than just having Mmaee stuck up to by himself.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 8:09:15 GMT
4231 I think, but both Junior and Hoever had a lot of license to roam - Junior in particular was all over the gaff. Also, I'm pretty certain he told Junho, Vidigal, Gooch and Mmaee to work more as a unit rather than just having Mmaee stuck up to by himself. Which is what 4231 should be. The 3 and the 1 should be pretty fluid. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 27, 2023 8:10:04 GMT
4231 I think, but both Junior and Hoever had a lot of license to roam - Junior in particular was all over the gaff. Also, I'm pretty certain he told Junho, Vidigal, Gooch and Mmaee to work more as a unit rather than just having Mmaee stuck up to by himself. Which is what 4231 should be. The 3 and the 1 should be pretty fluid. The fullbacks getting forward allowed for that |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 8:22:11 GMT
I'm a football fan.
I don't give a fuck abut formations.
Did we play well? Yes.
Did we win? Yes.
That's me happy.
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Post by headsgoup on Dec 27, 2023 8:27:33 GMT
Which is what 4231 should be. The 3 and the 1 should be pretty fluid. The fullbacks getting forward allowed for that This is a good point. Junior's pace means that he can pretty much stand on the halfway line the entire game. A few weeks ago, the narrative was all about making sure that there was enough defensive nous on either side of the 3 in 4231 to cover suspect full-backs. His pace has completely turned that on its head. Now it's more about what we can create going the other way. We basically need a carbon copy of him on the other side. |
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Post by jaybee on Dec 27, 2023 8:27:48 GMT
Both Hoever and Xanadu were possibly inverted wing backs ? Seems to be the modern role for the position. It's all the rage you know! Liverpool invented it for Terence Trent Alexander |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 8:29:32 GMT
I'm a football fan. I don't give a fuck abut formations. Did we play well? Yes. Did we win? Yes. That's me happy. You really should. They’re quite important. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 8:30:47 GMT
The fullbacks getting forward allowed for that This is a good point. Junior's pace means that he can pretty much stand on the halfway line the entire game. A few weeks ago, the narrative was all about making sure that there was enough defensive nous on either side of the 3 in 4231 to cover suspect full-backs. His pace has completely turned that on its head. Now it's more about what we can create going the other way. We basically need a carbon copy of him on the other side. Why was it though? It never should have been that way and Stevie Wonder could fucking see that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 8:32:21 GMT
I'm a football fan. I don't give a fuck abut formations. Did we play well? Yes. Did we win? Yes. That's me happy. You really should. They’re quite important. Mate, I can see right through all the bollocks that gets talked on here about formations. None of you really have the first clue what you're talking about, and I put myself in that category, so I don't get involved in formation chat. I'll leave that down to you lot who pretend you know what you're on about  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 8:33:43 GMT
You really should. They’re quite important. Mate, I can see right through all the bollocks that gets talked on here about formations. None of you really have the first clue what you're talking about, and I put myself in that category, so I don't get involved in formation chat. I'll leave that down to you lot who pretend you know what you're on about You’re just being ignorant. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 27, 2023 8:36:13 GMT
To be honest, I just thought that it was 433 but played well. Thompson sitting deeper and Bae/Burger taking turns supporting the attack. The defensive line was higher and we passed forwards more.
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Post by lancer on Dec 27, 2023 8:38:23 GMT
I'm a football fan. I don't give a fuck abut formations. Did we play well? Yes. Did we win? Yes. That's me happy. It end to agree with you mate.I've been watching Stoke since 1949, and if there's is one formation I always like(d), it's 235. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 8:38:33 GMT
Mate, I can see right through all the bollocks that gets talked on here about formations. None of you really have the first clue what you're talking about, and I put myself in that category, so I don't get involved in formation chat. I'll leave that down to you lot who pretend you know what you're on about You’re just being ignorant. No I'm not  I'm a football fan, who likes to go to the game or watch on a stream, have a few beers and hopefully see my team play well and win. All this pretending to understand formations bollocks, I'll leave to people like your good self, because it doesn't matter to your average football fan  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 8:39:06 GMT
You’re just being ignorant. No I'm not I'm a football fan, who likes to go to the game or watch on a stream, have a few beers and hopefully see my team play well and win. All this pretending to understand formations bollocks, I'll leave to people like your good self, because it doesn't matter to your average football fan It’s pure ignorance. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 8:41:44 GMT
No I'm not I'm a football fan, who likes to go to the game or watch on a stream, have a few beers and hopefully see my team play well and win. All this pretending to understand formations bollocks, I'll leave to people like your good self, because it doesn't matter to your average football fan It’s pure ignorance. Bloody hell, that was a quick response |
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Post by idle on Dec 27, 2023 8:42:08 GMT
You’re just being ignorant. No I'm not I'm a football fan, who likes to go to the game or watch on a stream, have a few beers and hopefully see my team play well and win. All this pretending to understand formations bollocks, I'll leave to people like your good self, because it doesn't matter to your average football fan That's all right IMO, but us nerds like to discuss it. To each their own. It also gives more insight into why some players play well or not, other than the usual oatcake "He's wank" |
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 27, 2023 8:43:12 GMT
It kicked off like a 3 at the back but quickly turned into a 433 like on Saturday. The outliers were Gooch who sat quite deep and the two full backs, who were both quite clearly listening to radio Luxembourg...
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Post by glpotter on Dec 27, 2023 8:43:28 GMT
I'm a football fan. I don't give a fuck abut formations. Did we play well? Yes. Did we win? Yes. That's me happy. Doesn’t give a fuck about formation but clicks on a thread called “last nights formation” |
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Post by stokiespark on Dec 27, 2023 8:52:16 GMT
I thought it looked like 3-4-2-1 to begin with. Its something thats been ised recently, and with the personnel on the pitch to begin with i was sure thats how we would line up. However it seemed far from that once the game got underway. We looked very fluid with players popping up everywhere. Thompson regularly dropped between the two centre backs when we had possesion which allowed our fullbacks to push on, but then popped up on the edge of the area for his goal. Whatever it was it worked well for large parts of the game.
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 27, 2023 8:52:39 GMT
What we'll find with Schumacher is that the formation will most of the time be nothing more than starting positions. As we saw yesterday, he allows his players to play in a free, fluid and roaming way.
I'm all fucking for it. We actually looked like a modern football team yesterday for the first time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 8:58:03 GMT
I'm a football fan. I don't give a fuck abut formations. Did we play well? Yes. Did we win? Yes. That's me happy. Doesn’t give a fuck about formation but clicks on a thread called “last nights formation” Yeah I did, to put my opinion across that I don't give a fuck about formations. It's the same as other people putting their opinions across that do give a fuck about them, or pretend to anyway |
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 27, 2023 8:59:08 GMT
There was more fluidity and movement in our team than I have seen for a long time, long may it continue.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 27, 2023 9:03:21 GMT
There was more fluidity and movement in our team than I have seen for a long time, long may it continue. Players were popping up all over the place and it was great to watch. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 27, 2023 9:04:15 GMT
Formations are extremely important.
Understanding them is well within the capability of any supporter who wants to do so.
My rule is look at what the formation looks like out of possession. That's basically what the system 'is'. In possession a system can look like something different as certain players are given licence to get forward more or interchange with others. That's where the confusion often stems from.
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Post by collo68 on Dec 27, 2023 9:06:51 GMT
What we'll find with Schumacher is that the formation will most of the time be nothing more than starting positions. As we saw yesterday, he allows his players to play in a free, fluid and roaming way. I'm all fucking for it. We actually looked like a modern football team yesterday for the first time. I can tell you Birmingham hadn’t got a clue how to play against us for the 1st twenty minutes as we overloaded midfield |
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