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Post by shakermaker on Dec 27, 2023 12:15:13 GMT
To be honest, I just thought that it was 433 but played well. Thompson sitting deeper and Bae/Burger taking turns supporting the attack. The defensive line was higher and we passed forwards more. Yes, I too noted Burger moved into advanced positions at times to support Bae. It looked 4-3-3 at that point, though primarily Burger was stationed as a deeper-lying playmaker in a 4-2-3-1. At other times, Thompson would slot into a three man defence to allow Hoever and Junior to get forward. Junior in particular was marauding down the right, with Hoever the inverted fullback slotting into midfield alongside Burger. I guess at that point you then have a 3-2-2-3, with Vidigal tucking in slightly to accommodate Junior's runs.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 27, 2023 12:15:47 GMT
Whatever happened to 4-4 fucking 2 Yeh I know stuck in past More sexy to play other formations I get it but I love wingers getting past a man , don’t see that too often 4-3-3 isn’t 4-3-3 3 at the back is 5 really A lot of it is bollocks really It’s just not in fashion right now. Traditional wingers don’t exist to the same degree. When we had Matty and/or Pennant, we tore a few of the teams a new arsehole that played with a 3 man midfield. Arsenal being one. At some point, one of the top managers will be in a position where their best team is a 442, they’ll win something and a few years later, people will be talking about how 442 can overload the flanks, “win the flanks, win the game”, or some such crap. You play the formation that has can allow you to play as many players to their strengths as possible. We could not play a 442 right now.
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Post by superpotter on Dec 27, 2023 12:18:51 GMT
So what’s the answer to the original question then perhaps only the manager knows
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 27, 2023 12:34:40 GMT
Whatever happened to 4-4 fucking 2 Yeh I know stuck in past More sexy to play other formations I get it but I love wingers getting past a man , don’t see that too often 4-3-3 isn’t 4-3-3 3 at the back is 5 really A lot of it is bollocks really It’s just not in fashion right now. Traditional wingers don’t exist to the same degree. When we had Matty and/or Pennant, we tore a few of the teams a new arsehole that played with a 3 man midfield. Arsenal being one. At some point, one of the top managers will be in a position where their best team is a 442, they’ll win something and a few years later, people will be talking about how 442 can overload the flanks, “win the flanks, win the game”, or some such crap. You play the formation that has can allow you to play as many players to their strengths as possible. We could not play a 442 right now. We could play 4-4-2 easily, with more players in their natural positions than any other shape Junior McNally Wilmott Stevens Leris Pearson Burger Johnson or Vidigal Maaee and Wesley or Campbell
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 27, 2023 13:27:42 GMT
Rather than not understanding them I’ve just come to the conclusion they’re mainly a lie. If the BBC or whatever show the formation as 433 and what I see on the pitch is the supposed wide forwards spending most of the game just in front of the FB’s and very often playing like a FB so the FB’s can come narrow and play like additional CB’s. Am I then supposed to accept we’re playing with 3 attackers? It doesn't matter as long as we win and play well. I'd wager thay 99% of the people in that away end last night didn't give a flying fuck about what formation we were playing. What they did care about was seeing a marked improvement in the football we played, and that the majority of our players upped their games considerably from the last few months and that we actually won the game. All this talk about formations is football fans pretending they're more clued up on the game than they really are, that was my point, and also that the average football fan doesn't care what formation their team is playing as long as they play well and win. I think it's something you don't need to understand to enjoy a match but is something I find interesting to think about afterwards. Being able to replay incidents gives you a better understanding of tactics and formation than when watching live.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 27, 2023 13:46:49 GMT
It’s just not in fashion right now. Traditional wingers don’t exist to the same degree. When we had Matty and/or Pennant, we tore a few of the teams a new arsehole that played with a 3 man midfield. Arsenal being one. At some point, one of the top managers will be in a position where their best team is a 442, they’ll win something and a few years later, people will be talking about how 442 can overload the flanks, “win the flanks, win the game”, or some such crap. You play the formation that has can allow you to play as many players to their strengths as possible. We could not play a 442 right now. We could play 4-4-2 easily, with more players in their natural positions than any other shape Junior McNally Wilmott Stevens Leris Pearson Burger Johnson or Vidigal Maaee and Wesley or Campbell The only reason Johnson would be played left midfield is because he’s left footed. May as well say that Laurent should play right midfield. 442 requires actual wingers. We don’t have any. Vidigal isn’t going to simply start just running down the wing and whipping crosses in. Leris looks more like a utility player.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 14:10:36 GMT
It’s just not in fashion right now. Traditional wingers don’t exist to the same degree. When we had Matty and/or Pennant, we tore a few of the teams a new arsehole that played with a 3 man midfield. Arsenal being one. At some point, one of the top managers will be in a position where their best team is a 442, they’ll win something and a few years later, people will be talking about how 442 can overload the flanks, “win the flanks, win the game”, or some such crap. You play the formation that has can allow you to play as many players to their strengths as possible. We could not play a 442 right now. We could play 4-4-2 easily, with more players in their natural positions than any other shape Junior McNally Wilmott Stevens Leris Pearson Burger Johnson or Vidigal Maaee and Wesley or Campbell Whatever system we play Johnson, Leris, Stevens and Pearson need to be on the bench, and Bae definitely needs fitting in.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 27, 2023 15:41:09 GMT
We could play 4-4-2 easily, with more players in their natural positions than any other shape Junior McNally Wilmott Stevens Leris Pearson Burger Johnson or Vidigal Maaee and Wesley or Campbell The only reason Johnson would be played left midfield is because he’s left footed. May as well say that Laurent should play right midfield. 442 requires actual wingers. We don’t have any. Vidigal isn’t going to simply start just running down the wing and whipping crosses in. Leris looks more like a utility player. Hardly anyone plays 442 are we really meant to believe that's just because they're all stupid?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 15:53:10 GMT
442 leaves you far too open and overran in midfield.
It’s not a good formation.
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 27, 2023 16:13:55 GMT
We could play 4-4-2 easily, with more players in their natural positions than any other shape Junior McNally Wilmott Stevens Leris Pearson Burger Johnson or Vidigal Maaee and Wesley or Campbell The only reason Johnson would be played left midfield is because he’s left footed. May as well say that Laurent should play right midfield. 442 requires actual wingers. We don’t have any. Vidigal isn’t going to simply start just running down the wing and whipping crosses in. Leris looks more like a utility player. There are many different variations on 4-4-2 that doesn’t require wingers, e.g. the ‘square’ (4-2-2-2) and of course the Mad Nath diamond.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 27, 2023 17:04:29 GMT
The only reason Johnson would be played left midfield is because he’s left footed. May as well say that Laurent should play right midfield. 442 requires actual wingers. We don’t have any. Vidigal isn’t going to simply start just running down the wing and whipping crosses in. Leris looks more like a utility player. There are many different variations on 4-4-2 that doesn’t require wingers, e.g. the ‘square’ (4-2-2-2) and of course the Mad Nath diamond. And I don’t think that any of them could work in this squad, with perhaps a big stretch of a case for a diamond. That would require a hell of a lot from Hoever and Junior. The squad was built with 4231/433 in mind. That’s the formation we should stick to.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 27, 2023 17:23:16 GMT
There were moves where Burger and Bae were up the pitch side by side with Thompson as pivot.
Since Gooch and Vidigal mostly stayed on their sides then that rules out 4-2-3-1?
I wasn't watching the fullbacks that much and you lot say they were doing the inverted fullback thing so Schuey seems to be doing something very modern.
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Post by junglestokie on Dec 27, 2023 17:35:44 GMT
If it was a 4-1-4-1 Hoever played LB but came inside all the time? Could be
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