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Post by satoshi on Dec 27, 2023 9:07:25 GMT
It was more of a transformation
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 27, 2023 9:10:13 GMT
As I am a big fan of Football Manager I can be a bit of a nerd where formations are concerned, but to be fair to vincentvega I reckon most fans couldn’t tell the difference between 4231/433/451 and possibly a few others. I don’t mean that as a criticism either, they are very similar as they have variations within themselves too.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 27, 2023 9:22:45 GMT
There was more fluidity and movement in our team than I have seen for a long time, long may it continue. Players were popping up all over the place and it was great to watch. I agree, more so than the formation, the difference to me was the work rate, pressing and general will of wanting to win the game. Some of those players haven’t played like that for ages. This comes from the coach ( which I think it is), or they downed tools on Neil. As for formations , yeah, they’re important, but if a footballer is good enough he/she should be able to adapt to them in their general area of the pitch they can lay ie midfield, defence etc.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 27, 2023 9:23:33 GMT
Doesn’t give a fuck about formation but clicks on a thread called “last nights formation” Yeah I did, to put my opinion across that I don't give a fuck about formations. It's the same as other people putting their opinions across that do give a fuck about them, or pretend to anyway Rather than not understanding them I’ve just come to the conclusion they’re mainly a lie. If the BBC or whatever show the formation as 433 and what I see on the pitch is the supposed wide forwards spending most of the game just in front of the FB’s and very often playing like a FB so the FB’s can come narrow and play like additional CB’s. Am I then supposed to accept we’re playing with 3 attackers?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 27, 2023 9:28:44 GMT
I really don’t think it matters what system is played if the manager/players first thought is to play forward. I noticed on the training video Schumacher was trying to install this into the players from day one
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 9:29:02 GMT
Yeah I did, to put my opinion across that I don't give a fuck about formations. It's the same as other people putting their opinions across that do give a fuck about them, or pretend to anyway Rather than not understanding them I’ve just come to the conclusion they’re mainly a lie. If the BBC or whatever show the formation as 433 and what I see on the pitch is the supposed wide forwards spending most of the game just in front of the FB’s and very often playing like a FB so the FB’s can come narrow and play like additional CB’s. Am I then supposed to accept we’re playing with 3 attackers? It doesn't matter as long as we win and play well. I'd wager thay 99% of the people in that away end last night didn't give a flying fuck about what formation we were playing. What they did care about was seeing a marked improvement in the football we played, and that the majority of our players upped their games considerably from the last few months and that we actually won the game. All this talk about formations is football fans pretending they're more clued up on the game than they really are, that was my point, and also that the average football fan doesn't care what formation their team is playing as long as they play well and win.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 9:30:29 GMT
I really don’t think it matters what system is played if the manager/players first thought is to play forward. I noticed on the training video Schumacher was trying to install this into the players from day one All systems/formations are good as long as the players playing them all do their jobs properly mate. It's about the players, plain and simple.
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Post by mrnovember on Dec 27, 2023 9:30:32 GMT
I reckon Macher downloaded that formation from an obscure Eastern European Football Manager forum. It was called something like SuperPress3142HighTempoNoDM100GoalBeastMode.tac, and once downloaded he realised he didn't have an adequate Carrilelo, Trequartista or inverted false lying wing forward to play it but just thought fuck it I'll give it a go.
It works wonders and now he's going to smash teams left, right and centre which kind of ruins the game for him so now he has to quit and start again or grow up and do some DIY or something like his missus is often telling him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 9:31:08 GMT
I really don’t think it matters what system is played if the manager/players first thought is to play forward. I noticed on the training video Schumacher was trying to install this into the players from day one We’ve got to the solid little Englander conclusion that formations don’t matter. This island is wonderful at times.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 27, 2023 9:33:26 GMT
I really don’t think it matters what system is played if the manager/players first thought is to play forward. I noticed on the training video Schumacher was trying to install this into the players from day one We’ve got to the solid little Englander conclusion that formations don’t matter. This island is wonderful at times. Tempo is our biggest issue, especially at home. It’s far too slow.
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Post by pushon on Dec 27, 2023 9:33:35 GMT
No I'm not I'm a football fan, who likes to go to the game or watch on a stream, have a few beers and hopefully see my team play well and win. All this pretending to understand formations bollocks, I'll leave to people like your good self, because it doesn't matter to your average football fan It’s pure ignorance. Ignorance is bliss🤗
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 9:34:39 GMT
We’ve got to the solid little Englander conclusion that formations don’t matter. This island is wonderful at times. Tempo is our biggest issue, especially at home. It’s far too slow. It has been for a while but it’s one of many problems. The biggest is the formation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 9:35:54 GMT
Tempo is our biggest issue, especially at home. It’s far too slow. It has been for a while but it’s one of many problems. The biggest is the formation. Utter rubbish.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 9:37:55 GMT
It has been for a while but it’s one of many problems. The biggest is the formation. Utter rubbish. Ah yeah formations and tactics mean nothing. Sorry.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 27, 2023 9:38:43 GMT
Rather than not understanding them I’ve just come to the conclusion they’re mainly a lie. If the BBC or whatever show the formation as 433 and what I see on the pitch is the supposed wide forwards spending most of the game just in front of the FB’s and very often playing like a FB so the FB’s can come narrow and play like additional CB’s. Am I then supposed to accept we’re playing with 3 attackers? It doesn't matter as long as we win and play well. I'd wager thay 99% of the people in that away end last night didn't give a flying fuck about what formation we were playing. What they did care about was seeing a marked improvement in the football we played, and that the majority of our players upped their games considerably from the last few months and that we actually won the game. All this talk about formations is football fans pretending they're more clued up on the game than they really are, that was my point, and also that the average football fan doesn't care what formation their team is playing as long as they play well and win. Spoton this is how I see it
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 27, 2023 9:38:54 GMT
Tempo is our biggest issue, especially at home. It’s far too slow. It has been for a while but it’s one of many problems. The biggest is the formation. We’ve played numerous formations and it’s made very little difference. Tempo and attacking intent is lacking and has been for years. We don’t look like scoring goals and when we concede first we may as well just walk off the pitch, and that’s with a back four, back three, front three or any other system.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 9:39:01 GMT
Ah yeah formations and tactics mean nothing. Sorry. I haven't once said that, so why are you throwing that at me?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 9:39:45 GMT
It has been for a while but it’s one of many problems. The biggest is the formation. We’ve played numerous formations and it’s made very little difference. Tempo and attacking intent is lacking and has been for years. We don’t look like scoring goals and when we concede first we may as well just walk off the pitch. Because we haven’t played the one we should have been playing.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 27, 2023 9:40:05 GMT
I really don’t think it matters what system is played if the manager/players first thought is to play forward. I noticed on the training video Schumacher was trying to install this into the players from day one We’ve got to the solid little Englander conclusion that formations don’t matter. This island is wonderful at times. We’ve been getting told we’re playing 433 for most of the season. It’s been a lie.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 9:40:36 GMT
We’ve got to the solid little Englander conclusion that formations don’t matter. This island is wonderful at times. We’ve been getting told we’re playing 433 for most of the season. It’s been a lie. It’s not.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 27, 2023 9:40:48 GMT
We’ve played numerous formations and it’s made very little difference. Tempo and attacking intent is lacking and has been for years. We don’t look like scoring goals and when we concede first we may as well just walk off the pitch. Because we haven’t played the one we should have been playing. If your on about 4231 again then I’d say we’ve played that more than any other system this season and we’ve still looked toothless.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 9:41:38 GMT
Because we haven’t played the one we should have been playing. If your on about 4231 again then I’d say we’ve played that more than any other system this season and we’ve still looked toothless. Then you’d be very wrong.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 27, 2023 9:43:13 GMT
If your on about 4231 again then I’d say we’ve played that more than any other system this season and we’ve still looked toothless. Then you’d be very wrong. I dare say I’ve seen us a lot more this season than you have.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 27, 2023 9:43:57 GMT
One things for certain, it was night and day compared to the Millwall game. If he can drum that into the players after a couple of training sessions we're onto a winner.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2023 9:44:52 GMT
Then you’d be very wrong. I dare say I’ve seen as a lot more this season than you have. Then you don’t know what you’ve been watching because it certainly hasn’t been 4231.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 27, 2023 9:45:54 GMT
Because we haven’t played the one we should have been playing. If your on about 4231 again then I’d say we’ve played that more than any other system this season and we’ve still looked toothless. But if you make the wide forwards part of your defensive structure and play DJ as an attacking midfielder is it any wonder. The 4 defenders and 2 DM’s should provide your basic defensive structure. The 3 and the 1 should be dedicated attackers.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 27, 2023 9:46:22 GMT
Rather than not understanding them I’ve just come to the conclusion they’re mainly a lie. If the BBC or whatever show the formation as 433 and what I see on the pitch is the supposed wide forwards spending most of the game just in front of the FB’s and very often playing like a FB so the FB’s can come narrow and play like additional CB’s. Am I then supposed to accept we’re playing with 3 attackers? It doesn't matter as long as we win and play well. I'd wager thay 99% of the people in that away end last night didn't give a flying fuck about what formation we were playing. What they did care about was seeing a marked improvement in the football we played, and that the majority of our players upped their games considerably from the last few months and that we actually won the game. All this talk about formations is football fans pretending they're more clued up on the game than they really are, that was my point, and also that the average football fan doesn't care what formation their team is playing as long as they play well and win. The same could be argued for any thread on this forum. I suppose it could be devolved into something more basic. We could just do a poll at the end of the each game: We win: play well We win: not play well We lose: play well We lose: not play well At the end of the day, the votes could be tallied and the oatcake could shut down until the next game.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 27, 2023 9:47:02 GMT
I dare say I’ve seen as a lot more this season than you have. Then you don’t know what you’ve been watching because it certainly hasn’t been 4231. Johnson has very clearly been playing (or trying to play) more advanced than the other two midfielders.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 27, 2023 9:48:19 GMT
If your on about 4231 again then I’d say we’ve played that more than any other system this season and we’ve still looked toothless. But if you make the wide forwards part of your defensive structure and play DJ as an attacking midfielder is it any wonder. The 4 defenders and 2 DM’s should provide your basic defensive structure. The 3 and the 1 should be dedicated attackers. That’s a fitness issue for me. The wide players still have to pick up and track back if we are out of possession.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 9:49:11 GMT
It doesn't matter as long as we win and play well. I'd wager thay 99% of the people in that away end last night didn't give a flying fuck about what formation we were playing. What they did care about was seeing a marked improvement in the football we played, and that the majority of our players upped their games considerably from the last few months and that we actually won the game. All this talk about formations is football fans pretending they're more clued up on the game than they really are, that was my point, and also that the average football fan doesn't care what formation their team is playing as long as they play well and win. The same could be argued for any thread on this forum. I suppose it could be devolved into something more basic. We could just do a poll at the end of the each game: We win: play well We win: not play well We lose: play well We lose: not play well At the end of the day, the votes could be tallied and the oatcake could shut down until the next game. Fair point I suppose But my main point about the average football fan not giving a shit about formations still stands, and that differs from the point you are making
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