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Post by idle on Dec 21, 2023 9:28:15 GMT
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Post by Northy on Dec 21, 2023 9:47:12 GMT
Does this also mean that countries can break away from UEFA and FIFA as well then ?
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Post by Goonie on Dec 21, 2023 9:48:59 GMT
Might see top 6/8 clubs leaving which would mean a top 6/8 finish that particular season might see promotion
Not sure how advertiser's and media companies who have purchased the streaming rights will feel about it. Surely nothing could happen until current deal expired?
It's inevitable but will ruin the game entirely as only a select few would be able to attend away matches killing the atmosphere
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Post by Goonie on Dec 21, 2023 9:49:29 GMT
Does this also mean that countries can break away from UEFA and FIFA as well then ? Putin Ike's this post đŹ |
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 21, 2023 9:53:13 GMT
As part of the Premier Leagueâs Ownersâ Charter agreed in June 2022, clubs said they would not ânot engage in the creation of new competition formats outside of the Premier Leagueâs rulesâ.
Not sure if that would cover a super league (and the rules can always be changed). More important than ever for football to be regulated and for fans to have stakes in clubs by law. They should make football clubs as something other than businesses and pass lws to ensure they are parts of the community etc.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 21, 2023 9:54:46 GMT
These clubs should take their elitist shit and fuck off, that way the real peoples game can flourish on a more level playing field.
Ask yourself, would you really be bothered if the shit, dippers, spuds, scum gooners, citeh all fucked off, cos i wouldn't.
It will be funny though watching the likes of Everton, Toon and villa saying they deserve to be in it too.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 9:56:43 GMT
Wow very interesting. This could be as groundbreaking and transformative as Bosman. Itâs not just ESL this prevents them from blocking franchise leagues etc and could lead to innovations in the game on a scale like 20/20 in cricket. Be in no doubt this is a blow to traditionalists and the anti change lobby.
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Post by idle on Dec 21, 2023 9:59:51 GMT
The problem isn't manure and chelski fucking off to join a super league (I'd love that), it's that UEFA (and possibly the leagues) cannot punish them by locking them out of the national leagues or the champions league. This ruling means that the moneyclubs can have their cake and eat it too, and we can't do anything to stop it.
Prepare for fewer teams in the PL to accomodate for more ESL games in midweek "to protect the players from too many games" and even more stockpiling of players to get through all the games.
The EU is an plainly evil ultra market-capitalist organization, with no regard to culture or people at all, if their wishes go against moneyed interest, even from abroad. You're lucky to have exited, but I fear the Tories won't dare to go against them this time.
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Post by Robo10 on Dec 21, 2023 10:15:38 GMT
If you read the actual ruling, it says that FIFA/UEFA cannot use their lofty position to create a monopoly
However it does say it is by no means approving a Super League or making any comment on its viability/legality, just that the powers that be didnt follow due process to block it.
It will go on in the courts for years, has LIV vs PGA/DP golf all over it, Saudi backed control over football.
They have placed their owners into some of the biggest clubs and have the dominoes all in place.
I would (if I was UEFA, the PL, La Liga etc) simply tell them - off you go, enjoy your new tournament that fans wont be able to afford to travel to every week, let your 'new' fanbase get bored of seeing the same 10 teams play every week
BUT - once you go, you go - no way back, no entry into cup competitions, players are not allowed to play in International football or represent countries
You may lose a generation of players that go for the money, and in the short term fans may be excited and watch it, but I would bet money that proper football fans would be sick of the American Franchise model (its pretty much an NFL type setup) and start to go to other games
The current 'big 6/8' would be replaced over time.
Its whether the powers that be have the bollocks to ride it out and play hardball, whether supporters allow it to happen, or whether football ends up in civil war (as Darts, Golf etc did/have) and who wins
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 10:23:13 GMT
If you read the actual ruling, it says that FIFA/UEFA cannot use their lofty position to create a monopoly However it does say it is by no means approving a Super League or making any comment on its viability/legality, just that the powers that be didnt follow due process to block it. It will go on in the courts for years, has LIV vs PGA/DP golf all over it, Saudi backed control over football. They have placed their owners into some of the biggest clubs and have the dominoes all in place. I would (if I was UEFA, the PL, La Liga etc) simply tell them - off you go, enjoy your new tournament that fans wont be able to afford to travel to every week, let your 'new' fanbase get bored of seeing the same 10 teams play every week BUT - once you go, you go - no way back, no entry into cup competitions, players are not allowed to play in International football or represent countries You may lose a generation of players that go for the money, and in the short term fans may be excited and watch it, but I would bet money that proper football fans would be sick of the American Franchise model (its pretty much an NFL type setup) and start to go to other games The current 'big 6/8' would be replaced over time. Its whether the powers that be have the bollocks to ride it out and play hardball, whether supporters allow it to happen, or whether football ends up in civil war (as Darts, Golf etc did/have) and who wins |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 10:26:08 GMT
If you read the actual ruling, it says that FIFA/UEFA cannot use their lofty position to create a monopoly However it does say it is by no means approving a Super League or making any comment on its viability/legality, just that the powers that be didnt follow due process to block it. It will go on in the courts for years, has LIV vs PGA/DP golf all over it, Saudi backed control over football. They have placed their owners into some of the biggest clubs and have the dominoes all in place. I would (if I was UEFA, the PL, La Liga etc) simply tell them - off you go, enjoy your new tournament that fans wont be able to afford to travel to every week, let your 'new' fanbase get bored of seeing the same 10 teams play every week BUT - once you go, you go - no way back, no entry into cup competitions, players are not allowed to play in International football or represent countries You may lose a generation of players that go for the money, and in the short term fans may be excited and watch it, but I would bet money that proper football fans would be sick of the American Franchise model (its pretty much an NFL type setup) and start to go to other games The current 'big 6/8' would be replaced over time. Its whether the powers that be have the bollocks to ride it out and play hardball, whether supporters allow it to happen, or whether football ends up in civil war (as Darts, Golf etc did/have) and who wins Seems what youâre advocating is precisely what theyâre being told they canât do. It will probably go the way of cricket where these things exist alongside the traditional format IPL etc. |
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Post by nott1 on Dec 21, 2023 10:33:55 GMT
Obviously TMP will be taking part I'm sure!
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 21, 2023 10:41:11 GMT
It comes down to one thing and that is greed.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 10:47:50 GMT
Obviously TMP will be taking part I'm sure! Stokie Super Kings. Nobody will want to watch it he says. When we see grounds packed to the rafters for the IPL & the Hundred etcđđ |
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Post by wuzza on Dec 21, 2023 10:54:21 GMT
The whole thing would interest me about as much as the current Champions League does .
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Post by flea79 on Dec 21, 2023 10:57:51 GMT
let them go and rot together
part of the beauty of the current European cup is that a meeting between say Man United and Bayern Munich may only happen once every 10 years and its big when it does happen
as it stands it will be Bayern away every other week!
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 10:58:58 GMT
The whole thing would interest me about as much as the current Champions League does . Thatâs simple you just donât watch them then why should people with your mindset get a veto? |
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Post by spoton on Dec 21, 2023 11:05:52 GMT
Beginning of the end of the premiership
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 11:07:59 GMT
Beginning of the end of the premiership Why? |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 21, 2023 11:35:10 GMT
From what I've just seen the proposal of the three leagues is exactly like the new champions league, Europa league and and Europa conference league format except only a small number of clubs are let into the bottom league each season. This keeps the elite teams in the top league and makes it almost impossible for the smaller clubs to get into the top league. It's all about money and they need to be told to bollocks.
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Post by spoton on Dec 21, 2023 11:40:18 GMT
Beginning of the end of the premiership Why? I would think that the club would play their best players in the best most profitable competition,so the premier league would eventually be less appealing to view |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 11:44:15 GMT
From what I've just seen the proposal of the three leagues is exactly like the new champions league, Europa league and and Europa conference league format except only a small number of clubs are let into the bottom league each season. This keeps the elite teams in the top league and makes it almost impossible for the smaller clubs to get into the top league. It's all about money and they need to be told to bollocks. The ruling isnât specific to any proposal so how youâve read it is a mystery. It paves the way for unpublished even unthought of proposals and stops the governing bodies blocking them to protect their monopoly. Fairly short format franchise competitions can co exist alongside traditional formats as they do in cricket. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 21, 2023 11:45:53 GMT
It would be the best thing that could happen to English football |
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Post by ashleyscfc on Dec 21, 2023 11:47:21 GMT
The fans of all clubs need to stop it with protests, against owners, tv companies, uefa. Its time Look how quick it stopped it last time The rich donât like the mob at their door Donât stop them and weâll have nothing |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 11:47:38 GMT
I would think that the club would play their best players in the best most profitable competition,so the premier league would eventually be less appealing to view The Premier League may have to restructure its organisation and its calendar to co exist alongside other competitions that appeal to other audiences. Itâs no bad thing. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 11:49:12 GMT
The fans of all clubs need to stop in with protests and violence if necessary, against owners, tv companies, uefa. Its time Wow just wow. |
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Post by apb1 on Dec 21, 2023 11:53:00 GMT
All completely in line with the ghastly trajectory of modern life. Infinite product and no real point to 90% of it. I genuinely have little interest in most CL or PL games already. No doubt the Saudi annexation of European football (as in their teams entering) will come at some point, with the yanks entering a few franchises too.
Less games, but more riding on them seems a forlorn hope when being âbigâ means demanding a permanent avalanche of cash from the beautiful game, or walking away.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 21, 2023 11:57:49 GMT
Does this also mean that countries can break away from UEFA and FIFA as well then ? Well, the time is coming. But they all need the confederations. There's plenty of time to get ducks in a row. Imagine the shock waves across the world if Uefa and Conmebol didn't enter 2034. Concacaf will have to pick sides. It wouldn't be worth asking Afcon. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 21, 2023 11:59:07 GMT
From what I've just seen the proposal of the three leagues is exactly like the new champions league, Europa league and and Europa conference league format except only a small number of clubs are let into the bottom league each season. This keeps the elite teams in the top league and makes it almost impossible for the smaller clubs to get into the top league. It's all about money and they need to be told to bollocks. The ruling isnât specific to any proposal so how youâve read it is a mystery. It paves the way for unpublished even unthought of proposals and stops the governing bodies blocking them to protect their monopoly. Fairly short format franchise competitions can co exist alongside traditional formats as they do in cricket. Mate I haven't read it in any way whatsoever. I have just seen the A22 proposal for their new competition on sky sports news with a PowerPoint presentation on what they plan to do. Maybe have a look yourself? I didn't say it wouldn't co exist alongside the premier league and other competitions. It's a bullshit scheme to keep the top clubs at the top table and is completely about money. |
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Post by wuzza on Dec 21, 2023 12:01:31 GMT
The whole thing would interest me about as much as the current Champions League does . Thatâs simple you just donât watch them then why should people with your mindset get a veto? I donât watch it , itâs tedious beyond belief. Wish I did have some sort of say in the matter - it would be back to being a knock out tournament instantly !! |
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