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Post by nott1 on Dec 21, 2023 12:04:17 GMT
The fans of all clubs need to stop in with protests and violence if necessary, against owners, tv companies, uefa. Its time Please do not advocate violence on this website!
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 12:05:02 GMT
The ruling isn’t specific to any proposal so how you’ve read it is a mystery. It paves the way for unpublished even unthought of proposals and stops the governing bodies blocking them to protect their monopoly. Fairly short format franchise competitions can co exist alongside traditional formats as they do in cricket. Mate I haven't read it in any way whatsoever. I have just seen the A22 proposal for their new competition on sky sports news with a PowerPoint presentation on what they plan to do. Maybe have a look yourself? I didn't say it wouldn't co exist alongside the premier league and other competitions. It's a bullshit scheme to keep the top clubs at the top table and is completely about money. The ruling could remove an effective veto on competitions that are nothing to do with that though. I think it could lead to all sorts of diversification. I heard all the same objections from traditionalists trying to block franchise cricket and saying it would destroy the game etc. Reality couldn’t be further from the truth.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 12:08:25 GMT
That’s simple you just don’t watch them then why should people with your mindset get a veto? I don’t watch it , it’s tedious beyond belief. Wish I did have some sort of say in the matter - it would be back to being a knock out tournament instantly !! Virtually all the most successful tournaments have a round robin element. Straight knockout is pretty antiquated.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 21, 2023 12:09:59 GMT
They want to start it for free viewing as their investors will back them. If they manage to kill the competition, I wonder what will happen to the free viewing….
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Post by wuzza on Dec 21, 2023 12:11:03 GMT
I don’t watch it , it’s tedious beyond belief. Wish I did have some sort of say in the matter - it would be back to being a knock out tournament instantly !! Virtually all the most successful tournaments have a round robin element. Straight knockout is pretty antiquated. It’s more exciting and would stop the poor old multi millionaires whinging about how knackered they are from playing too many games. All the European competitions should revert to it.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 21, 2023 12:12:11 GMT
Mate I haven't read it in any way whatsoever. I have just seen the A22 proposal for their new competition on sky sports news with a PowerPoint presentation on what they plan to do. Maybe have a look yourself? I didn't say it wouldn't co exist alongside the premier league and other competitions. It's a bullshit scheme to keep the top clubs at the top table and is completely about money. The ruling could remove an effective veto on competitions that are nothing to do with that though. I think it could lead to all sorts of diversification. I heard all the same objections from traditionalists trying to block franchise cricket and saying it would destroy the game etc. Reality couldn’t be further from the truth. Cricket and football are worlds apart in both the size of the sport and numbers of fans that attend the games. The proposal of the three league system I have just seen seems to me as though the clubs at the top virtually stay there whilst the clubs who do well in their domestic leagues do not go into the top league but start at the bottom of the three leagues. How on earth is that fair and good for the game? Let's just say for instance (and I'm not suggesting it will ever happen) Stoke win the premier league and this new system is in place. We don't go into the champions league because there isn't one, instead we go into the bottom of the three leagues and get relegated out of it without ever having the chance to play Barcelona etc. Can you not see how it is designed to keep the elite clubs at the top and it is widening an already huge gap between the likes of them and us?
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Post by RF10 on Dec 21, 2023 12:17:16 GMT
With the continued expansion of Champs League over the years and additional European competitors it's becoming a bit of farce.
I'd really like to see it go back to style of domestic league winners only for Champions League followed and the Europa League for place 2 and Europa Conference as with chosen Domestic Cup win or 3rd Place if top 2 team win the trophy.
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Post by Robo10 on Dec 21, 2023 12:19:45 GMT
Mr Baconburger is quite obviously a fan, but what I would say (comparing to cricket)
- The IPL now conflicts with international series, and some teams are playing without their best players - the Windies in particular (although spectacularly mismanaged) have suffered from their stars abandoning the international team - The other T20 franchises (and the horrific 100) all clash with each other and what is considered 'traditional' cricket - meaning players have to make a choice - it often baffles me that players turn up for 3 rounds of a compo then disappear to another one and leave their team behind (Rashid Khan is a prime example of this!) as they are chasing the money - Football I would argue is a far more physically demanding sport than cricket (I played both to a decent level in my 'yoof'), you can literally play back to back cricket matches most days, but you cant with football and you need time to rest/recover - Cricket contracts are VERY different to football ones - players are lower paid unless centrally contracted to the ECB where England 'own' you and you have to get permission to play franchise cricket. Its fairly seasonal also, meaning players are allowed do play elsewhere in the 'off season'. Footballers, bar getting a summer holiday for a few weeks, are at it, 12 months a year, especially the good ones.
The football calendar is already awash with greedy UEFA and FIFA battles on maintaining TV time, advertising revenue and creating bonkers competitions that are stretching the patience of managers and players - the daft World Club compo, the 32 team Club World Cup soon over a month during a non international summer, an expanded Euros and World Cup taking 5-6 weeks to play at the end (or in the middle of!) a season - if you think therer will be extra competitions to run ALONGSIDE those you are mistaken.
Teams will have a choice - you play in competition A, or you play in competition B, and if you play in Compo A, then these are the limitations and rules (ie non selection for the international teams) They will find rules and regulations to fit, or even design calendars that make it impossible to commit to both
Players and coaches will burnout. Supporters will lose interest. I watch the odd CL game, but not avidly, and the new formats for next season (to appease the big clubs) are a joke and weighted so heavily to big sides its untrue.
OR...some of the bigger teams will just get bigger and play B teams in 1 comp and an A team in another....hoovering up players from everywhere completely destroying the non leage and lower league pyramids.
FWEI
(Football Will Eat Itself)
(Also, imagine a world where you trusted the owners of Real Madrid and Barcelona, two of the most financially stricken clubs in the world who overspend without penalty all the time, plus some ropey Italians, and American/Saudi owners of UK clubs in it for the money to move the game forward for the common good - I dont trust UEFA or FIFA either though!)
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 12:21:59 GMT
The ruling could remove an effective veto on competitions that are nothing to do with that though. I think it could lead to all sorts of diversification. I heard all the same objections from traditionalists trying to block franchise cricket and saying it would destroy the game etc. Reality couldn’t be further from the truth. Cricket and football are worlds apart in both the size of the sport and numbers of fans that attend the games. The proposal of the three league system I have just seen seems to me as though the clubs at the top virtually stay there whilst the clubs who do well in their domestic leagues do not go into the top league but start at the bottom of the three leagues. How on earth is that fair and good for the game? Let's just say for instance (and I'm not suggesting it will ever happen) Stoke win the premier league and this new system is in place. We don't go into the champions league because there isn't one, instead we go into the bottom of the three leagues and get relegated out of it without ever having the chance to play Barcelona etc. Can you not see how it is designed to keep the elite clubs at the top and it is widening an already huge gap between the likes of them and us? You’re fixating on this one proposal instead of the principal of governing bodies not being allowed to veto competitions to protect their monopoly. Doesn’t matter what the differences are between cricket and football the same ideas can be applied. What’s to stop an IPL type tournament in football that the governing bodies have to adjust their calendars to co exist with. It’s not lead to the end of test cricket, county cricket or domestic short format cricket. It’s encouraged rapid innovation in the rules to provide a more entertaining product that appeals to a wider audience and yes it increases revenue and not just for existing entities(that would be established elite clubs).
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Post by senojbor on Dec 21, 2023 12:25:30 GMT
Even though they say the existing governing bodies cannot oppose it, it wont work.
No football supporter of any of the top clubs would want it.
Obviously it could not run in tandem with a domestic premier league. So they would have to leave the premier league and forfeit the huge sums of money it brings.
It will never work
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 21, 2023 12:28:33 GMT
Cricket and football are worlds apart in both the size of the sport and numbers of fans that attend the games. The proposal of the three league system I have just seen seems to me as though the clubs at the top virtually stay there whilst the clubs who do well in their domestic leagues do not go into the top league but start at the bottom of the three leagues. How on earth is that fair and good for the game? Let's just say for instance (and I'm not suggesting it will ever happen) Stoke win the premier league and this new system is in place. We don't go into the champions league because there isn't one, instead we go into the bottom of the three leagues and get relegated out of it without ever having the chance to play Barcelona etc. Can you not see how it is designed to keep the elite clubs at the top and it is widening an already huge gap between the likes of them and us? You’re fixating on this one proposal instead of the principal of governing bodies not being allowed to veto competitions to protect their monopoly. Doesn’t matter what the differences are between cricket and football the same ideas can be applied. What’s to stop an IPL type tournament in football that the governing bodies have to adjust their calendars to co exist with. It’s not lead to the end of test cricket, county cricket or domestic short format cricket. It’s encouraged rapid innovation in the rules to provide a more entertaining product that appeals to a wider audience and yes it increases revenue and not just for existing entities(that would be established elite clubs). I'm fixated on this one proposal as they are the only ones proposing it. They are the ones who came up with the original scheme of a closed shop European super league. They didn't get their own way then because the fans of all but two clubs (Barca and Real Madrid) protested against it and shut it down almost immediately. They have then gone away and come up with another idea which is basically the same thing as the top league will always stay the same bar a few clubs who get relegated each year. Obviously they will be too good for the second league so will then be back into the top league again the year after and then rinse and repeat. What else is there to fixate on?
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Dec 21, 2023 12:31:52 GMT
All fur coat and no knickers.
No surprise old Juan was out first thing advocating for it. Juan, run your club properly and don't get into debt.
Loved the bit where old Gert said matches would be free to air. If anyone believes that I have a few towers for sale.
Honestly, if they want to go let them go but insist there's no return.
Edit, Malcolm on Sky sports now.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 21, 2023 12:34:05 GMT
Even though they say the existing governing bodies cannot oppose it, it wont work. No football supporter of any of the top clubs would want it. Obviously it could not run in tandem with a domestic premier league. So they would have to leave the premier league and forfeit the huge sums of money it brings. It will never work I could see massive legal battles in the UK over rights and privileges. Could imagine a place where all the clubs just move to Saudi and play it there.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 12:36:21 GMT
Mr Baconburger is quite obviously a fan, but what I would say (comparing to cricket) - The IPL now conflicts with international series, and some teams are playing without their best players - the Windies in particular (although spectacularly mismanaged) have suffered from their stars abandoning the international team - The other T20 franchises (and the horrific 100) all clash with each other and what is considered 'traditional' cricket - meaning players have to make a choice - it often baffles me that players turn up for 3 rounds of a compo then disappear to another one and leave their team behind (Rashid Khan is a prime example of this!) as they are chasing the money - Football I would argue is a far more physically demanding sport than cricket (I played both to a decent level in my 'yoof'), you can literally play back to back cricket matches most days, but you cant with football and you need time to rest/recover - Cricket contracts are VERY different to football ones - players are lower paid unless centrally contracted to the ECB where England 'own' you and you have to get permission to play franchise cricket. Its fairly seasonal also, meaning players are allowed do play elsewhere in the 'off season'. Footballers, bar getting a summer holiday for a few weeks, are at it, 12 months a year, especially the good ones. The football calendar is already awash with greedy UEFA and FIFA battles on maintaining TV time, advertising revenue and creating bonkers competitions that are stretching the patience of managers and players - the daft World Club compo, the 32 team Club World Cup soon over a month during a non international summer, an expanded Euros and World Cup taking 5-6 weeks to play at the end (or in the middle of!) a season - if you think therer will be extra competitions to run ALONGSIDE those you are mistaken. Teams will have a choice - you play in competition A, or you play in competition B, and if you play in Compo A, then these are the limitations and rules (ie non selection for the international teams) They will find rules and regulations to fit, or even design calendars that make it impossible to commit to both Players and coaches will burnout. Supporters will lose interest. I watch the odd CL game, but not avidly, and the new formats for next season (to appease the big clubs) are a joke and weighted so heavily to big sides its untrue. OR...some of the bigger teams will just get bigger and play B teams in 1 comp and an A team in another....hoovering up players from everywhere completely destroying the non leage and lower league pyramids. FWEI (Football Will Eat Itself) (Also, imagine a world where you trusted the owners of Real Madrid and Barcelona, two of the most financially stricken clubs in the world who overspend without penalty all the time, plus some ropey Italians, and American/Saudi owners of UK clubs in it for the money to move the game forward for the common good - I dont trust UEFA or FIFA either though!) Yes I’m a massive fan. The IPL has me convinced on franchise tournaments. The quality, the innovation, the entertainment, the audience attraction are off the scale. It’s taken the power away from the stuffy establishment not confined it to an elite like people are saying about just 1 specific proposal. I think the cricket authorities would have liked to do as you say design their calendar to make it impossible for players to commit to both formats but they realised they might come out on the wrong end of it so chose to protect their existence. Yes some players opt to go from one part of the world to another playing in the different franchise leagues that’s their choice.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 12:40:07 GMT
You’re fixating on this one proposal instead of the principal of governing bodies not being allowed to veto competitions to protect their monopoly. Doesn’t matter what the differences are between cricket and football the same ideas can be applied. What’s to stop an IPL type tournament in football that the governing bodies have to adjust their calendars to co exist with. It’s not lead to the end of test cricket, county cricket or domestic short format cricket. It’s encouraged rapid innovation in the rules to provide a more entertaining product that appeals to a wider audience and yes it increases revenue and not just for existing entities(that would be established elite clubs). I'm fixated on this one proposal as they are the only ones proposing it. They are the ones who came up with the original scheme of a closed shop European super league. They didn't get their own way then because the fans of all but two clubs (Barca and Real Madrid) protested against it and shut it down almost immediately. They have then gone away and come up with another idea which is basically the same thing as the top league will always stay the same bar a few clubs who get relegated each year. Obviously they will be too good for the second league so will then be back into the top league again the year after and then rinse and repeat. What else is there to fixate on? Diversification, innovation, improvement, entertainment. Football is too traditional and too slow to change.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 21, 2023 12:40:58 GMT
All fur coat and no knickers. No surprise old Juan was out first thing advocating gor it. Juan, run your club properly and don't get into debt. Loved the bit where old Gert said matches would be free to air. If anyone believes that I have a few towers for sale. Honestly, if they want to go let them go but insist there's no return. Exactly mate. I wonder why the club riddled with 550 million euros of debt through mismanagement want in...
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 21, 2023 12:43:35 GMT
I'm fixated on this one proposal as they are the only ones proposing it. They are the ones who came up with the original scheme of a closed shop European super league. They didn't get their own way then because the fans of all but two clubs (Barca and Real Madrid) protested against it and shut it down almost immediately. They have then gone away and come up with another idea which is basically the same thing as the top league will always stay the same bar a few clubs who get relegated each year. Obviously they will be too good for the second league so will then be back into the top league again the year after and then rinse and repeat. What else is there to fixate on? Diversification, innovation, improvement, entertainment. Football is too traditional and too slow to change. Its tradition helped it become one of the biggest businesses around. Not sure how much more money people need to make. Not sure how much more football there needs to be either to be honest.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 21, 2023 12:46:18 GMT
I'm fixated on this one proposal as they are the only ones proposing it. They are the ones who came up with the original scheme of a closed shop European super league. They didn't get their own way then because the fans of all but two clubs (Barca and Real Madrid) protested against it and shut it down almost immediately. They have then gone away and come up with another idea which is basically the same thing as the top league will always stay the same bar a few clubs who get relegated each year. Obviously they will be too good for the second league so will then be back into the top league again the year after and then rinse and repeat. What else is there to fixate on? Diversification, innovation, improvement, entertainment. Football is too traditional and too slow to change. I suppose its a great idea for the gloryhunters worldwide who only watch on t.v but then again how long until they get bored watching the same teams play each other year in year out? For the clubs who are not at the top currently it's a joke. They are trying to make out the money will trickle down to the smaller clubs which is bollocks. It doesn't happen now so god knows how it will when it's even more of a closed shop. As for the free viewing of the games, do they think we have all just fell off a Christmas tree?
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Post by march4 on Dec 21, 2023 14:46:57 GMT
I believe they consider the blocking of a Super League to be too restrictive. Does that mean they have also ordered the end of the even more restrictive FFP and transfer windows?
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Post by idle on Dec 21, 2023 14:51:21 GMT
I'm fixated on this one proposal as they are the only ones proposing it. They are the ones who came up with the original scheme of a closed shop European super league. They didn't get their own way then because the fans of all but two clubs (Barca and Real Madrid) protested against it and shut it down almost immediately. They have then gone away and come up with another idea which is basically the same thing as the top league will always stay the same bar a few clubs who get relegated each year. Obviously they will be too good for the second league so will then be back into the top league again the year after and then rinse and repeat. What else is there to fixate on? Diversification, innovation, improvement, entertainment. Football is too traditional and too slow to change. You sound just like Ricky Martin, mate. They're probably also good cultural architects, eh? It's piss poor entertainment - meeting the same 12-14 teams every year - only the richest fans can travel to away matches, so no away following - no local connection at all, just greedy billionaires fixing matches On the plus side: - it's very good for plastic TV fans - american investment funds can make even more money on "fans" Football isn't too slow to change, on the contrary it's changed far too much in the latest decades. PL is the worst offender, FIFA isn't that much better, making even the thouroughly corrupt UEFA look like saints. - Too much money involved, allowing investment that cannot possibly be sustainable in the long run - VAR - rule changes like the handball rules, (covid) subs rules, the "no-contact"-sport rule adoptations ("Was there contact? it's a penalty!") - the "not really champions" league - World cups held in the worst countries in the world (I know, sports have always been like this, it's because professional athletes are the most egoistical persons on the planet) - Cup competitions held in multiple countries Football isn't the people's game anymore. It's the rich fuckers' toys and/or moneymaking schemes. It's so corrupt, Lucifer himself would have problems competing. And the american franchise model is the coronation of it all. There's no skill in it anymore, it's just money. Fuck them all. /rant
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Post by thepottypotter on Dec 21, 2023 15:14:57 GMT
Diversification, innovation, improvement, entertainment. Football is too traditional and too slow to change. You sound just like Ricky Martin, mate. They're probably also good cultural architects, eh? It's piss poor entertainment - meeting the same 12-14 teams every year - only the richest fans can travel to away matches, so no away following - no local connection at all, just greedy billionaires fixing matches On the plus side: - it's very good for plastic TV fans - american investment funds can make even more money on "fans" Football isn't too slow to change, on the contrary it's changed far too much in the latest decades. PL is the worst offender, FIFA isn't that much better, making even the thouroughly corrupt UEFA look like saints. - Too much money involved, allowing investment that cannot possibly be sustainable in the long run - VAR - rule changes like the handball rules, (covid) subs rules, the "no-contact"-sport rule adoptations ("Was there contact? it's a penalty!") - the "not really champions" league - World cups held in the worst countries in the world (I know, sports have always been like this, it's because professional athletes are the most egoistical persons on the planet) - Cup competitions held in multiple countries Football isn't the people's game anymore. It's the rich fuckers' toys and/or moneymaking schemes. It's so corrupt, Lucifer himself would have problems competing. And the american franchise model is the coronation of it all. There's no skill in it anymore, it's just money. Fuck them all. /rant That's the profit motive and captitalism for you. It turns everything to shit. For another example, in gaming, I am appalled with predatory gambling mechanics targeting children and vulnerable people (loot boxes, 'ultimate team packs', 'micro'transactions etc, etc) Back to football, we need football for the fans and not for profit. We need real democracy throughout the world, not the kleptocracy run by billionaires that we have now.
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Post by eddyclamp on Dec 21, 2023 15:23:30 GMT
looks like the government are stepping in to stop any super league from happening.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 15:26:35 GMT
Diversification, innovation, improvement, entertainment. Football is too traditional and too slow to change. You sound just like Ricky Martin, mate. They're probably also good cultural architects, eh? It's piss poor entertainment - meeting the same 12-14 teams every year - only the richest fans can travel to away matches, so no away following - no local connection at all, just greedy billionaires fixing matches On the plus side: - it's very good for plastic TV fans - american investment funds can make even more money on "fans" Football isn't too slow to change, on the contrary it's changed far too much in the latest decades. PL is the worst offender, FIFA isn't that much better, making even the thouroughly corrupt UEFA look like saints. - Too much money involved, allowing investment that cannot possibly be sustainable in the long run - VAR - rule changes like the handball rules, (covid) subs rules, the "no-contact"-sport rule adoptations ("Was there contact? it's a penalty!") - the "not really champions" league - World cups held in the worst countries in the world (I know, sports have always been like this, it's because professional athletes are the most egoistical persons on the planet) - Cup competitions held in multiple countries Football isn't the people's game anymore. It's the rich fuckers' toys and/or moneymaking schemes. It's so corrupt, Lucifer himself would have problems competing. And the american franchise model is the coronation of it all. There's no skill in it anymore, it's just money. Fuck them all. /rant So all the same type of arguments that stuffy traditionalists put forward against 20\20 in general and franchise leagues in particular in cricket? I mean that's been terrible.
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Post by anchorman on Dec 21, 2023 15:38:22 GMT
Let them **** off and play each other 6 times a season in their plastic, greed driven Super Shit League and leave us to get on with proper competitive football here. As one poster said, there are certain fixtures that come along by chance once in a blue moon and it makes them all the more special. This plague of today's society, consumption, consumption & more consumption is about money, sheer greed and nothing else.
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Post by jokker on Dec 21, 2023 15:41:48 GMT
Even though they say the existing governing bodies cannot oppose it, it wont work. No football supporter of any of the top clubs would want it. Obviously it could not run in tandem with a domestic premier league. So they would have to leave the premier league and forfeit the huge sums of money it brings. It will never work I agree that there will be fan opposition, but the clubs will just take their product (the footballers) to the Middle East, the Far East, and the USA, and who knows, outer space, and then they will make even more huge sums of money, which is all they are after. Then Barcelona and Madrid will be playing clasicos every week, ensuring the meaning of classic fades completely.
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Post by idle on Dec 21, 2023 15:43:13 GMT
You sound just like Ricky Martin, mate. They're probably also good cultural architects, eh? It's piss poor entertainment - meeting the same 12-14 teams every year - only the richest fans can travel to away matches, so no away following - no local connection at all, just greedy billionaires fixing matches On the plus side: - it's very good for plastic TV fans - american investment funds can make even more money on "fans" Football isn't too slow to change, on the contrary it's changed far too much in the latest decades. PL is the worst offender, FIFA isn't that much better, making even the thouroughly corrupt UEFA look like saints. - Too much money involved, allowing investment that cannot possibly be sustainable in the long run - VAR - rule changes like the handball rules, (covid) subs rules, the "no-contact"-sport rule adoptations ("Was there contact? it's a penalty!") - the "not really champions" league - World cups held in the worst countries in the world (I know, sports have always been like this, it's because professional athletes are the most egoistical persons on the planet) - Cup competitions held in multiple countries Football isn't the people's game anymore. It's the rich fuckers' toys and/or moneymaking schemes. It's so corrupt, Lucifer himself would have problems competing. And the american franchise model is the coronation of it all. There's no skill in it anymore, it's just money. Fuck them all. /rant So all the same type of arguments that stuffy traditionalists put forward against 20\20 in general and franchise leagues in particular in cricket? I mean that's been terrible. I have no idea about cricket. It was always an upper class game anyway, so let them wallow in their own ideology. Traditionalists are stuffy eh? Well, if name calling is enough argument for you, modernists are utterly naïve. "We must move forward", while it goes to shit. If you think football is better these days, then good for you. I think it's worse in so many ways. We are moving away from all those things that made football great. The immediacy, the local patriotism, the commonality and togetherness. I've advocated it before, and I'll never give up on the idea that fans should be the sole owners of a football club. Private ownership shouldn't be allowed to exist. At all. It's the only way to curb the corruption and greed in football. I'm an eternal optimist though, so maybe the super league is what sparks a new model of football. One that has the fans and the community in the front. Not the fucked up killers and leeches we have today in the PL and beyond.
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Post by jzime on Dec 21, 2023 15:44:44 GMT
Just another example of unelected EU bureaucrats riding roughshod over the will of national governments and other regulators. FIFA and UEFA don't want a super league, member states don't want a super league, and actual football fans don't want a super league. But some jumped-up lawyers in Brussels get overrule all of them.
Whatever your views are on the EU overall, it's absurd how much power the ECJ is given. They exist only to uphold the status quo. Today it's a (relatively) trivial ruling on football. In the future, they might block a national government from nationalising their own industries citing the exact same free market competition laws.
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Post by J-Roar on Dec 21, 2023 16:02:11 GMT
Even though they say the existing governing bodies cannot oppose it, it wont work. No football supporter of any of the top clubs would want it. Obviously it could not run in tandem with a domestic premier league. So they would have to leave the premier league and forfeit the huge sums of money it brings. It will never work Why can't it run in tandem with the domestic premier league? I read it that the new Super League would just replace the existing UEFA competitions which do run in parallel
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Post by a on Dec 21, 2023 16:02:59 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Dec 21, 2023 16:23:45 GMT
So all the same type of arguments that stuffy traditionalists put forward against 20\20 in general and franchise leagues in particular in cricket? I mean that's been terrible. I have no idea about cricket. It was always an upper class game anyway, so let them wallow in their own ideology. Traditionalists are stuffy eh? Well, if name calling is enough argument for you, modernists are utterly naïve. "We must move forward", while it goes to shit. If you think football is better these days, then good for you. I think it's worse in so many ways. We are moving away from all those things that made football great. The immediacy, the local patriotism, the commonality and togetherness.
I've advocated it before, and I'll never give up on the idea that fans should be the sole owners of a football club. Private ownership shouldn't be allowed to exist. At all. It's the only way to curb the corruption and greed in football. I'm an eternal optimist though, so maybe the super league is what sparks a new model of football. One that has the fans and the community in the front. Not the fucked up killers and leeches we have today in the PL and beyond. Yes generally speaking I think football is a better spectacle than it was in my youth. It's faster more skilful there are more goals, its more entertaining and less negative but I don't think it's gone anywhere near far enough anywhere near fast enough. Negative play (holding on to what you start with) is still all too common. 0-0's are less frequent but 1 is 1 too many. Teams that fail to score should be guaranteed nothing from a game. Teams that score a lot of goals in a game should get a bonus. There are numerous things that could be tried to incentivise entertaining football and discourage boring spoiling football and also ensure fans get the amount of play they pay to see. The referees directive on added time was bottled within a couple of weeks. As far as all that weird togetherness etc is concerned I just don't buy into all that I've never been a tribal football fan. I'd be just as happy standing/sitting next to an opposition fan as I would a Stoke fan. I do agree with fans having a meaningful stake in a club but I think sole ownership would only serve as a geographical closed shop, closed shop's are part of what you're objecting to. Maybe you should take in an IPL game. If you don't like cricket just watch the crowd, they don't look very upper class to me.
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