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Post by george2again on Nov 26, 2023 18:47:34 GMT
We’re really going nowhere with AN. One step forward two steps back is a fair analogy of his tenure at Stoke. No win in the next 3 and he has to be a goner beating in mind the last of the 3 is Sheffield Wednesday at home. I’m bored of him to be honest.
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Post by nonameface on Nov 26, 2023 18:48:53 GMT
unless we are under threat of relegation then we should only make changes in the summer. We are only just over a third the way into a new season with a new squad and coaching set up. When we start getting Vidigal, Mmaee, Wilmot on the pitch more we should do better.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 26, 2023 18:50:54 GMT
If he goes, knowing Stoke, we'll only end up with ANOTHER British dinosaur as manager!!!
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 26, 2023 18:53:18 GMT
5 games unbeaten, with 9 points picked up against very good opposition. Couple of frustrating draws before the break, granted. First loss and people are calling for his head/ripping everything apart. It's no wonder players don't like playing here at times. 0 support, just moaning all the time. First loss my arse. 29 home games,15 losses. He's fkn clueless. He'd obviously make a good politician with the people he's got believing his shit. 2 week break before Saturday's game and he produces that,embarassing.
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Post by idle on Nov 26, 2023 18:54:19 GMT
5 games unbeaten, with 9 points picked up against very good opposition. Couple of frustrating draws before the break, granted. First loss and people are calling for his head/ripping everything apart. It's no wonder players don't like playing here at times. 0 support, just moaning all the time. I think you have a point, some on here are way too fickle. I'll accept a shit game once every few games, we're an inconsitent team in an inconsistent league. For me it all depends on the next few games. Was the "mini-run" a blip and we now lose three and draw two in the next 5? Bugger him off, it's just another false dawn. Bounce back with a win on tuesday and it's ok again. Sadly, I'm struggling to see it, but he's bought himself another 5 with the mini-run.
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Post by idle on Nov 26, 2023 18:54:48 GMT
If he goes, knowing Stoke, we'll only end up with ANOTHER British dinosaur as manager!!! Wilder. 100%
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Post by potter25 on Nov 26, 2023 20:35:54 GMT
I suppose the tipping point is could another manager, say wilder? Get better results out of this team?
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Post by bunnyscfc on Nov 26, 2023 20:41:02 GMT
5 games unbeaten, with 9 points picked up against very good opposition. Couple of frustrating draws before the break, granted. First loss and people are calling for his head/ripping everything apart. It's no wonder players don't like playing here at times. 0 support, just moaning all the time. 2 good months in 15. A smiling pub appearance seems to blind folk to the fact that home matches under him are basically the same as a root canal appointment.
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Post by milky on Nov 26, 2023 20:54:49 GMT
I suppose the tipping point is could another manager, say wilder? Get better results out of this team? Gene Wilder probably could ,or at the very least get us having more pops at goal !
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 26, 2023 21:03:53 GMT
I suppose the tipping point is could another manager, say wilder? Get better results out of this team? Gene Wilder probably could ,or at the very least get us having more pops at goal ! With a black, blind assistant!
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Post by ethers26 on Nov 26, 2023 23:28:12 GMT
5 games unbeaten, with 9 points picked up against very good opposition. Couple of frustrating draws before the break, granted. First loss and people are calling for his head/ripping everything apart. It's no wonder players don't like playing here at times. 0 support, just moaning all the time. You carry on accepting his abysmal home record and his record in general over 12 months...is nothing to do with 1 loss. If you think losing more than he wins, failing to score in more than half his games and one week of results papers over his shocking tenure, then ok Some aren't that easily swayed Hasn't our home record been shit since we've come down? Probably more to do with how difficult it must be playing in front of some of our fans. It's very difficult to sign this many players, concede no goals and score loads the other end. Defensively we've been solid just recently; I'd personally give it time to click up top. We miss Brown and Campbell. Who else is available to change things btw?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 26, 2023 23:32:19 GMT
You carry on accepting his abysmal home record and his record in general over 12 months...is nothing to do with 1 loss. If you think losing more than he wins, failing to score in more than half his games and one week of results papers over his shocking tenure, then ok Some aren't that easily swayed Hasn't our home record been shit since we've come down? Probably more to do with how difficult it must be playing in front of some of our fans. It's very difficult to sign this many players, concede no goals and score loads the other end. Defensively we've been solid just recently; I'd personally give it time to click up top. We miss Brown and Campbell. Who else is available to change things btw? As we showed with Neil, it isn't a case necessarily of who is available but who is willing to come, £ talks. We had 3 games v teams who had absolutely no attacking threat, Boro aside who could have scored 2 or 3. No excuses for his abysmal record after bringing in so many players of his own in over a year. Someone posted his record yesterday, is shocking
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 27, 2023 0:03:08 GMT
You carry on accepting his abysmal home record and his record in general over 12 months...is nothing to do with 1 loss. If you think losing more than he wins, failing to score in more than half his games and one week of results papers over his shocking tenure, then ok Some aren't that easily swayed Hasn't our home record been shit since we've come down? Probably more to do with how difficult it must be playing in front of some of our fans. It's very difficult to sign this many players, concede no goals and score loads the other end. Defensively we've been solid just recently; I'd personally give it time to click up top. We miss Brown and Campbell. Who else is available to change things btw? Yeh, it’s those fuckin’ fans making life difficult for poor old Alex and the boys - getting all uppity with their “expectation” ……damn them….
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 27, 2023 0:07:02 GMT
You carry on accepting his abysmal home record and his record in general over 12 months...is nothing to do with 1 loss. If you think losing more than he wins, failing to score in more than half his games and one week of results papers over his shocking tenure, then ok Some aren't that easily swayed Hasn't our home record been shit since we've come down? Probably more to do with how difficult it must be playing in front of some of our fans. It's very difficult to sign this many players, concede no goals and score loads the other end. Defensively we've been solid just recently; I'd personally give it time to click up top. We miss Brown and Campbell. Who else is available to change things btw? Ridiculous post. It's the fans fault? 😂 We miss Campbell? Campbell is nowhere near good enough at this level.
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Post by starkiller on Nov 27, 2023 2:18:10 GMT
If he goes, knowing Stoke, we'll only end up with ANOTHER British dinosaur as manager!!! It's not the nationality or the age that is the problem. Warnock would get this lot challenging at the right end of the table.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 27, 2023 2:36:04 GMT
I suppose the tipping point is could another manager, say wilder? Get better results out of this team? I can’t imagine any professional football manager would get worse result with these players (yes that does include mad Nathan).
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Post by scfcnicholas on Nov 27, 2023 4:11:38 GMT
Don’t honestly think there’s any definite better options out there if he was axed. But it would take some catastrophically shit management for us to go down under anyone.
I don’t see that likely under many stewardships, so it’s not really much of a gamble in my view if we did axe him. It’s just wether he’s nurturing a culture that may eventually work or not. Taking fucking ages if it is though!
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Post by Northy on Nov 27, 2023 5:18:30 GMT
I'm normally a patient person and give people time, but nothing has changed since he took over, no new manager bounce, still playing shit players in place of better ones, subs too late, the same old excuses, I would be happy if he was gone today.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 27, 2023 6:04:15 GMT
If he goes, knowing Stoke, we'll only end up with ANOTHER British dinosaur as manager!!! It's not the nationality or the age that is the problem. Warnock would get this lot challenging at the right end of the table. Would he be a long term answer though???
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Post by idle on Nov 27, 2023 6:38:43 GMT
Hasn't our home record been shit since we've come down? Probably more to do with how difficult it must be playing in front of some of our fans. It's very difficult to sign this many players, concede no goals and score loads the other end. Defensively we've been solid just recently; I'd personally give it time to click up top. We miss Brown and Campbell. Who else is available to change things btw? Ridiculous post. It's the fans fault? 😂 We miss Campbell? Campbell is nowhere near good enough at this level. At least he scores once in a while.
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Post by westlandstokie on Nov 27, 2023 6:43:17 GMT
Pearson and Burger an area of strength? You must be watching a different team than me then mate. Also, all we ever talk about since relegation, is the next transfer window, amd how things can be fixed during it, and it never happens. The transfer window doesn't coach players, doesn't pick the right formations and doesn't gel teams into a style of playing. All things that this manager seems incapable of doing. Fed up with hearing things like, the next transfer window can't come soon enough, became when it does, nothing ever changes. I agree about Pearson and Burger…Pearson is massively overrated and Burger is a bang average player…he runs about a lot but there is no end result…it’s going to be a long slog of a season gents.
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Post by NassauDave on Nov 27, 2023 6:46:56 GMT
Very well written TD.
However, it's already extremely ugly. I reluctantly watched on Saturday, and quite honestly I can't face being bored shitless by this oxygen thief any more.
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Post by tuum on Nov 27, 2023 7:04:09 GMT
Very well written TD. However, it's already extremely ugly. I reluctantly watched on Saturday, and quite honestly I can't face being bored shitless by this oxygen thief any more. I normally don't go out on Saturday nights so that I can watch the games with a clear head. I have started taking my computer to the pub (in Kazakhstan) so I can have the game on in the background. It really is difficult watching the turgid shite that AN has produced in the last 3 games (and multiple games previously). I can sense trouble brewing if he does not change his approach. This is really the first time that I have seriously thought that. I can still see him here into 2024 but I think he may be gone at the end of the season. Now up to Alex Neil to start getting a consistent tune out of his players. A consistent tune that includes playing attacking football on the front front rather than the current passive approach that is doing him no favours at all. The bloke seems scared of his own shadow.
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Post by crownmeking on Nov 27, 2023 7:07:14 GMT
He's fallen out with at least 3-4 players, not sure he can recover
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Post by robrigo on Nov 27, 2023 7:17:59 GMT
He's fallen out with at least 3-4 players, not sure he can recover Which players mate? Is this inside information you’ve got or just opinion?
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Post by NassauDave on Nov 27, 2023 7:30:23 GMT
5 games unbeaten, with 9 points picked up against very good opposition. Couple of frustrating draws before the break, granted. First loss and people are calling for his head/ripping everything apart. It's no wonder players don't like playing here at times. 0 support, just moaning all the time. 2 good months in 15. A smiling pub appearance seems to blind folk to the fact that home matches under him are basically the same as a root canal appointment. The pub gimic was like an episode of Still Game at the Clansman with Alex Neil starring as Winston.
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 27, 2023 7:32:47 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if he had fallen out with a few players, guess most manager's at clubs do. Junior seems to fallen out of favour as does Haks, unless he's injured..players certainly seem to still be playing for him though.
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 27, 2023 7:42:30 GMT
What worries me about our supporter base is that we seem to stumble as a club from managerial problem to managerial problem without any realisation of the bigger picture. Nobody ever seems to talk about the biggest issue at the club.
I know people don't like talking about it because of their financial commitment to the club but the overarching elephant in the room here is Coates Jr.
He has now proven beyond any shadow of doubt that he is incapable of driving positive change in the club, incapable of putting the right people in charge to drive a change of culture and as such is incapable of picking a horse for a course in the dugout.
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 27, 2023 7:49:05 GMT
For a club with our resources, our record in the Championship since relegation is truly appalling. Is it any wonder fans are apathetic and disgruntled at everything. We see the likes of Luton in the premiership, get we can't muster a sustained top 10 finish, with this season going potentially the same way..
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 27, 2023 7:52:42 GMT
I’ve said it a thousand times(maybe fewer ?) John Coates does not react to underperforming Stoke Managers until the fans turn on him vocally at games. It’s almost like there is no Leaders at the club. 🤷🤷♂️ The fans will decide. And we have the most "accepting" fanbase in the country. He should be getting hell at every game at the moment
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