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Post by Goonie on Nov 26, 2023 11:11:48 GMT
Needs an exceptional December for me
Have been a long-term admirer of Neil but with all the summer recruitment we seem no better than before he arrived.
With so many non-British players it would make equal sense to go down the continental route for a manager too
Something needs to change
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 26, 2023 11:14:37 GMT
Burger and Pearson have been a let down. Burger looks like he can’t strike a football which is unusual for a left footer. I have hope that he will improve under a new manager.
It will get nasty at QPR if we go 1-0 down. It did at Bristol City, maybe to our detriment long term (though the last minute winner was worth it). Freezing cold, Tuesday night, people won’t have much patience for him.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 26, 2023 11:20:25 GMT
We need to contact the estate of the late Tony Gray to see if we can borrow his axe......🪓🪓
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Post by mamathestriker on Nov 26, 2023 11:28:28 GMT
Yesterday, if you go through the core of the team: Bonham Rose Johnson Gayle
It's absolutely no wonder there's no aggression or belief in how we play. Is there a more beige set of players in the league? I doubt it. Ultimately, we've brought in 18 players and having those in your core means we'll struggle to cement anywhere above 14th.
Our transfer team, AN himself, Tricky Ricky and well groomed Jared all talk a very good game but so far have absolutely nothing to back it up. We clearly needed two GKs in the summer, a leader at the back and an aggressive striker to lead the line. We've ended up with some decent enough looking wingers and not much else. I'm no football expert, but I'm confident if I'd been able to advise us to bring in 18 players we'd have ended up better than what we've got.
Our home form has got worse under AN and have we improved under his management? Can he take us to the top 6?
The board must be disappointed being 16th approaching Christmas, it's meant to be better than this surely.
I keep hearing we've got to give things time to settle down, players to gel etc. But it looks to me the longer things go on, the worse things get.
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Post by mamathestriker on Nov 26, 2023 11:32:15 GMT
And if we were to get a "Stoke City have parted company with Alex Neil" announcement, I'd wager over 90% of our supporters would just get on with their day and shrug their shoulders.
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Post by gogogadget on Nov 26, 2023 11:33:08 GMT
If Forrest are stupid enough to get rid of cooper
I’d be having a chat with him
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Post by sticky on Nov 26, 2023 11:33:53 GMT
He’s going nowhere, that’s the reality I’m afraid. Hes not a very likeable chap and some of the crap he’s churning out isn’t going to endear him to the fans. I do think a good number of the squad are decent players, he’s just far too negative. The problem is he knows that his jobs safe, so he can play a safety first approach, finnish mid table and be allowed to carry on next season. And his post match comments are starting to really grate on me, I don’t expect him to come out and say we’re shit but fuck me he can’t half waffle some shit
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 26, 2023 11:35:10 GMT
A few points to consider.
Are we getting better or worse? For me we're getting worse. Not acceptable at this stage of the season.
Were people right last season when they said changing MON wouldn't make a blind bit of difference, despite being roundly mocked and abused on here by adults that should know better? I'll say the same again now, and I really, really can't stand this bloke.
The next cab off the rank will be Chris Wilder.
Let that sink in.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 26, 2023 11:35:11 GMT
Burger and Pearson have been a let down. Burger looks like he can’t strike a football which is unusual for a left footer. I have hope that he will improve under a new manager. It will get nasty at QPR if we go 1-0 down. It did at Bristol City, maybe to our detriment long term (though the last minute winner was worth it). Freezing cold, Tuesday night, people won’t have much patience for him. I think is player there with Burger. Wouldn't give up on him yet Pearson is a waste of space
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 26, 2023 11:42:03 GMT
Since Hughes we have had a revolving door for managers ,it can't all be down to the managers though can it? some had decent CVs yet all managed to be poor for us.
There is something not quite right at the club, since we were relegated,the only constant during that time as been J.Coates.
So if J.Coates is the problem,what can be done about it? If he remains in charge I can't see things changing for the better, if he decided to sell the club,we could be in deep shite.
So in a way we are fecked one way another.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 26, 2023 11:49:08 GMT
Since Hughes we have had a revolving door for managers ,it can't all be down to the managers though can it? some had decent CVs yet all managed to be poor for us. There is something not quite right at the club, since we were relegated,the only constant during that time as been J.Coates. So if J.Coates is the problem,what can be done about it? If he remains in charge I can't see things changing for the better, if he decided to sell the club,we could be in deep shite. So in a way we are fecked one way another. John needs to get someone in to run the place for him. John can still stay involved but he needs help. He's out of his depth. Way out.
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Post by idle on Nov 26, 2023 11:53:48 GMT
I didn't see the game yeaterday, but the highlights show a couple of things: 1. Why the F are we in a tight central 2-3 defensive formation when we attack? It gave Szmodics all the space of the universe to run into! No team does this, what the hell are we trying to do? 2. Our forwards suck hard at finishing. This is why we need Vidigal and Campbell starting, with Wes or Mmaee centrally. Haks, Leris and Bae just aren't inside forwards, which we seem to be playing with. Why can't AN see that? 3. Johnson got into positions and even fired a couple. He must've been invisible the whole rest of the game from the ratings people are giving him on here... If DJ doesn't do anything, it seems like absolutely nothing happens for us. I'm beginning to think he isn't the problem. 4. It's plain for all to see that our big problem is movement. = Ditch the 4-3-3 with 3 banks. It's not working. Change to a 4-2-3-1, get Junior on and let the defence to the defending with Person and Burger, and give the front 4 the freedom to roam.
ANs comments are ridiculous. We didn't lose the game because we let in three easy goals (that we did, although the first was kinda unlucky going in from the post). We lose because we are set up completely wrong agains quick running strikers, and we attack with slow technical players seemingly unable to do simultaneous movement. And players out of position.
I'll accept inconsitency, as long as we pick up wins both home and away. I'm giving him a few more games, but if the three wins (and two draws) is another blip like in spring he's got to go for me.
Realistically though, it'll have to go very poor (like in a point from the next 5 games) and get very nasty from the supporters for anything to happen. And JC is probably gonna go for Wilder and we'll be back to the shit 5 at the back again. If Jared and the rest of the brass goas with AN we'll be back to sq.1 and a big FFP hamper again. Dark times ahead.
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Post by yellowsnowman on Nov 26, 2023 11:54:16 GMT
Should of gone before his mini 5 game unbeaten run lets be fair. I hope that John has a much better list of managers to go after but i just cnt see it. The fact AN invested in 12 players makes me think he will be here for the season regardless how bad it is, unless we were in the bottom three, he will stay wont he 😒.
His summer business was average neglected some important areas, and nearly all of his new first team get injured and sit out most weeks.
There is no identity still, we look lost in the opposition half and build up play is to slow and sideways all the time. As soon as a side wins it back i always think they are gonna cut through us and create a chance an 9/10 they do.
Stop playing Rose or Mcnally and get clark in. How will he ever get match fucking fit.
And STOP putting Gayle in the squad you stupid man.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 11:54:19 GMT
All the managers since Hughes have all been very similar with similiar ways of thinking and limited tactical knowledge.We need someone from a different mould in charge
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 26, 2023 12:07:15 GMT
All the managers since Hughes have all been very similar with similiar ways of thinking and limited tactical knowledge.We need someone from a different mould in charge Which means going abroad for one,but for some reason the Coates are blind to this.
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Post by matelot1996 on Nov 26, 2023 12:22:36 GMT
I’ve said it a thousand times(maybe fewer ?) John Coates does not react to underperforming Stoke Managers until the fans turn on him vocally at games. It’s almost like there is no Leaders at the club. 🤷🤷♂️ The fans will decide.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 26, 2023 12:25:39 GMT
He probably has 1 more window to fix the squad and will be given until the end of the season to see what improvements have been made. If we have a bad run after January then he might be gone around mid March
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 26, 2023 12:28:28 GMT
I hate feeling like this. I want us to win every game. I want the open top bus at the end of the season. I want to feel proud of my team. I want another day in the sun.
BUT. I'm getting too old to wait another 20+ years.
SO Each day like yesterday throws a scrap of hope that we're soon to see the back of yet another gobshite failure.
THEN Only to realise we'll peel another dinosaur Brit off the pack and go back to square 1.
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Post by lordb on Nov 26, 2023 12:28:58 GMT
I don't think the board will sack him this season unless we properly crash
Imo he should go if we are not top 10 at the end Others will say higher
Think we will be bottom half again😔
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Post by pavel on Nov 26, 2023 12:32:59 GMT
I think the time for the Axe has gone, I'm all for going foreign. Time for the GUILLOTINE.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Nov 26, 2023 12:34:18 GMT
I can’t remember a manager receiving as much patience as Neil has, it’s wearing very thin and I don’t see any cause for optimism.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 26, 2023 12:41:13 GMT
I think appointing a good manager would make a difference, but the problem flows from the top.
That performance yesterday betrays the total lack of ambition and desire flowing through the club. Who is saying to the manager that this standard of performance is not good enough for stoke city?
That's why we don't get anywhere.
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 26, 2023 12:45:42 GMT
Pearson and Burger an area of strength? You must be watching a different team than me then mate. Also, all we ever talk about since relegation, is the next transfer window, amd how things can be fixed during it, and it never happens. The transfer window doesn't coach players, doesn't pick the right formations and doesn't gel teams into a style of playing. All things that this manager seems incapable of doing. Fed up with hearing things like, the next transfer window can't come soon enough, became when it does, nothing ever changes. In a 4231, Burger and Pearson would definitely be an area of strength. They’d provide a very solid platform. If only AN picked the correct 4 ahead of them, say, Vidigal - Bae (Haks), Leris (Tyrese), Mmaee (Wes). Yes I couldn't understand why we left it so long to bring Campbell and Wesley on yesterday. They should have come on with Mmaee. To be fair I would be surprised if we've started what you would imagine is our preferred forward line of Campbell, Mmaee and Vidigal more than once together in a match. I thought in possession Junho looked very promising but he is still coming to grips with what he has to do out of possession.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Nov 26, 2023 12:56:35 GMT
Not a chance he'll be sacked this season unless we are serious bottom three candidates - after all, his best mate runs the club.
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Post by questionable on Nov 26, 2023 13:06:20 GMT
Hopefully anytime soon but things need to change at the very top also.
It’s remarkable that despite throwing money at our managerial appointments we never seem to progress that to me smacks as down right stupidity from the owners with plodding along appointments.
We’ve had two international breaks whereby we could have approached another manager but oh no in AN we trust it’s not as if his previous 12 months has been so, so it’s down right abysmal.
This club is rotten.
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Post by independent on Nov 26, 2023 13:13:13 GMT
He'll be here next season, whether he deserves to be or not. "He just needs time for the team to gel". "When his injured players return we'll be flying". "He needs more time to get them organised" " He needs time to find his best team" Did anyone see Jacob Brown score the winner in a Premier League game yesterday. Remember when he shone as our Right side of midfield. It's not as if we are short of goals, is it?
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Post by yardstick on Nov 26, 2023 13:19:16 GMT
Most Stoke fans are level headed enough not to expect / demand promotion. They don't expect Stokelona..short lived,long gone and unlikely to return in my lifetime. Me personally, I'd just like to see a team on the front foot ,trying to score some goals and win games.What we are seeing ,bar sporadic moments,is a manager who has assembled a shit load of attacking players go full on binary mode. Alarm bells rang with me after the Cardiff and Coventry games .2 clean sheets maybe but the opposition were far more likely to score ,in fact the Cov game could well have ended up like yesterday had they not been so wasteful. At the same time the 2 opposition keepers could have been sent out with their feet set in concrete.However it was clear it was going to be " same again " re personnel and tactics for yesterday and hoping for a spawny 1 0 win. We had a great chance to build on something after the Middlesbrough win and the manager shat his pants ,and not for the first time either. If Jon Coates is not concerned at what he is seeing he fucking well should be ! To sum up....AXE for me ! Totally agree with this, the Cardiff and Cov games were similar to yesterday except they both missed their chances and Blackburn took theirs. We had zero goal threat in those games too but he stuck with virtually the same team. It was only a matter of time before we came up against a team that took their chances. Let’s be honest, if Leeds and Sunderland had taken their chances too, we’d be in big trouble. The expceptipn was Boro when we did play well. He should have seen that coming yesterday, my heart sank when I saw the team news. If Gayle starts on Tuesday night, I’m walking out of the ground and going to the pub
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Post by callas12 on Nov 26, 2023 13:28:14 GMT
Our performance was terrible and the team selection was pathetic, everyone except Neil it seems knew that there was no goals in that side. Jo Blackburn are a decent side though, they’ve won 4 in a row away from home. That doesn’t excuse the performance and team selection though, as soon as we conceded the early goal though it was obvious what would happen, same as last season. We have to bounce back with at least 2 wins in the next 3 games. Yeah, Blackburn were threatening and have been on a good run. They might have run rings around us whatever we did, but we did exactly what they wanted and expected us to and had a game plan. They did exactly what was expected and we looked like it was a complete surprise to us. Piss poor. These next three games should be 9/9 if we are serious about not wasting another season in this division. & I remember reading/hearing that Alex Neil is some kind of master tactician & studies opposition & strategies etc meticulously prior to a match! After yesterday & other matches this & last season you have to seriously question that character trait. Yesterday's match was a prime example of how almost every Stoke fan in the ground could see what was happening on the pitch right in front of us & how nothing was being done to adsjust it. We were in effect shadow boxing Blackburn yesterday, for all our passing around we weren't hurting them at all. We made it like a training pitch exercise for them, it really was that easy and all Rovers had to do was hold their shape firm which they did to maximum effect. Surely Neil and his crew could have forseen how the match was going to go. There was no change of formation or a Plan B & it just became monotonous, boring & oh so predictable. We could all quickly see what was happening yet the bench chose to keep sticking to the plan that was badly failing!
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 26, 2023 13:30:35 GMT
I’ll go as far as to say he’ll still be in charge next August He will be still be in charge well into next season.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 26, 2023 13:36:21 GMT
Since Hughes we have had a revolving door for managers ,it can't all be down to the managers though can it? some had decent CVs yet all managed to be poor for us. There is something not quite right at the club, since we were relegated,the only constant during that time as been J.Coates. So if J.Coates is the problem,what can be done about it? If he remains in charge I can't see things changing for the better, if he decided to sell the club,we could be in deep shite. So in a way we are fecked one way another. Since relegation we have gone for: - An experienced Championship manager (Rowett). - A young, bright coach from League One (Jones). - A manager with a strong reputation in international football (MoN). - A manager with two promotions on his CV (AN). It does not seem to matter who we appoint or what kind of manager we go for, no one seems to be able to get us moving in the right direction.
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