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Post by a on Apr 21, 2024 15:03:18 GMT
Terrible for his development. Not as bad as sending him out on loan again and him leaving on a free because we haven’t shown him a clear pathway. He needs game time with us next season. No, he needs a loan
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 21, 2024 15:06:41 GMT
I’d see if they want him for a full year next year. He defo needs to be out on loan, as does Lowe Should be on the bench imo. 9 man bench and I think there’s room for him, Simkin and Sidibe. What’s the point of Simkin on the bench? If he isn’t going to play, why stunt his development? He’s not been able to get into a league 2 side. Surely, that should be his goal next season? Tezgel or Lowe, I could agree with. I don’t see the point in them both being in the bench if we get another striker and keep Mmaee. Footballers need to play at a level where they actually do well before progressing.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 21, 2024 15:29:42 GMT
Should be on the bench imo. 9 man bench and I think there’s room for him, Simkin and Sidibe. What’s the point of Simkin on the bench? If he isn’t going to play, why stunt his development? He’s not been able to get into a league 2 side. Surely, that should be his goal next season? Tezgel or Lowe, I could agree with. I don’t see the point in them both being in the bench if we get another striker and keep Mmaee. Footballers need to play at a level where they actually do well before progressing. Exactly. All of our youngsters need loaning out rather than have them on the bench. Simkin, Sidibe, Tezgel and Lowe all need to prove they can do it in League One before we should consider them as Championship squad players. Tezgel has shown he isn't even ready for L2 starts this season, so should be loaned out to that level again next year.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 21, 2024 15:41:38 GMT
What’s the point of Simkin on the bench? If he isn’t going to play, why stunt his development? He’s not been able to get into a league 2 side. Surely, that should be his goal next season? Tezgel or Lowe, I could agree with. I don’t see the point in them both being in the bench if we get another striker and keep Mmaee. Footballers need to play at a level where they actually do well before progressing. Exactly. All of our youngsters need loaning out rather than have them on the bench. Simkin, Sidibe, Tezgel and Lowe all need to prove they can do it in League One before we should consider them as Championship squad players. Tezgel has shown he isn't even ready for L2 starts this season, so should be loaned out to that level again next year. Rational and sane. Bayern would have them all starting. He’d probably have one of them managing too.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 21, 2024 15:45:26 GMT
What’s the point of Simkin on the bench? If he isn’t going to play, why stunt his development? He’s not been able to get into a league 2 side. Surely, that should be his goal next season? Tezgel or Lowe, I could agree with. I don’t see the point in them both being in the bench if we get another striker and keep Mmaee. Footballers need to play at a level where they actually do well before progressing. Exactly. All of our youngsters need loaning out rather than have them on the bench. Simkin, Sidibe, Tezgel and Lowe all need to prove they can do it in League One before we should consider them as Championship squad players. Tezgel has shown he isn't even ready for L2 starts this season, so should be loaned out to that level again next year. Agreed. The reality is that Stoke do not overly prioritize youth development from within. Sidibe looked like he could be capable of featuring regularly from the bench this season. He didn’t. What is the point of that? Next season, the same excuses will be given, r.e., games are too tight and we need experienced players to see out the loss. Their development will just stall.
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Post by idle on Apr 21, 2024 19:08:05 GMT
He's 18 FFS! He's a much better footballer than Lowe! He's a totally different kind of footballer than Lowe. I would say they could complement each other on the pitch. And if Tezgel is playing in a kind of AM LC role behind a striker, I'm thinking they could be very good for us in a couple of years
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Apr 21, 2024 19:13:50 GMT
What’s the point of Simkin on the bench? If he isn’t going to play, why stunt his development? He’s not been able to get into a league 2 side. Surely, that should be his goal next season? Tezgel or Lowe, I could agree with. I don’t see the point in them both being in the bench if we get another striker and keep Mmaee. Footballers need to play at a level where they actually do well before progressing. Exactly. All of our youngsters need loaning out rather than have them on the bench. Simkin, Sidibe, Tezgel and Lowe all need to prove they can do it in League One before we should consider them as Championship squad players. Tezgel has shown he isn't even ready for L2 starts this season, so should be loaned out to that level again next year. Players develop in different ways. Some need several loans, some don't need any, some never make it either way. About Tezgel, he's playing in a team way too good for that league. I can't believe they aren't promoted automatically
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 21, 2024 19:20:36 GMT
Put him on the bench for the start of next season,if he doesn't take his chance when coming on,then loan him out before the summer window closes.
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Post by theglove on Apr 27, 2024 15:42:30 GMT
Another goal and an assist today. Seems the boy's coming good.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 27, 2024 16:03:33 GMT
Another goal and an assist today. Seems the boy's coming good. It’ll be great for his experience and confidence. Would be nice to see him starting some games. Need to get his loan move exactly right next season, it could be the making of him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2024 16:06:36 GMT
What’s the point in loaning him again?
Get him on the bench and use him.
He’s out of contract after next season right?
So we have to use him or we will lose him.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 27, 2024 16:16:29 GMT
What’s the point in loaning him again? Get him on the bench and use him. He’s out of contract after next season right? So we have to use him or we will lose him. We renew his deal this summer, then loan him out to a L2 side next year. There's no rush with these young players. Throwing them in at a level too high, too early ruins them. You'd think you'd have learnt this by now.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 27, 2024 16:21:51 GMT
What’s the point in loaning him again? Get him on the bench and use him. He’s out of contract after next season right? So we have to use him or we will lose him. We renew his deal this summer, then loan him out to a L2 side next year. There's no rush with these young players. Throwing them in at a level too high, too early ruins them. You'd think you'd have learnt this by now. Maybe League One?
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 27, 2024 16:22:03 GMT
The easy way is the middle option, which is to have a good look at him over pre season. If he does enough to be an option then keep him at the club. If not then find a suitable plan with a recall option in January.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 27, 2024 16:24:18 GMT
We renew his deal this summer, then loan him out to a L2 side next year. There's no rush with these young players. Throwing them in at a level too high, too early ruins them. You'd think you'd have learnt this by now. Maybe League One? Depends how he looks in pre-season. Let's not forget he's not featured much at all for MK Dons this year. If we send him to L1 he may end up on the bench for most of the year, which would be a huge waste of a crucial year of development. I'd try to get him in somewhere he'll be starting every week. Same for Lowe, Sidibe and Simkin.
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Post by lordb on Apr 27, 2024 16:27:01 GMT
Depends how he looks in pre-season. Let's not forget he's not featured much at all for MK Dons this year. If we send him to L1 he may end up on the bench for most of the year, which would be a huge waste of a crucial year of development. I'd try to get him in somewhere he'll be starting every week. Same for Lowe, Sidibe and Simkin. Sidibe is the best of them
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2024 16:42:09 GMT
What’s the point in loaning him again? Get him on the bench and use him. He’s out of contract after next season right? So we have to use him or we will lose him. We renew his deal this summer, then loan him out to a L2 side next year. There's no rush with these young players. Throwing them in at a level too high, too early ruins them. You'd think you'd have learnt this by now. He’d be daft to renew if that was the progression plan and I don’t think he would. Simkin, Sidibe and Tezgel should be on the bench for most of the season next year.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 27, 2024 16:44:48 GMT
Neither Lowe or Tezgel are ready for championship football YET but after another full season out on loan for both then we need to take another look at them
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Post by whatsashig on Apr 27, 2024 16:47:23 GMT
Boxing Day 2026
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Post by backintheday on Apr 27, 2024 16:47:36 GMT
The easy way is the middle option, which is to have a good look at him over pre season. If he does enough to be an option then keep him at the club. If not then find a suitable plan with a recall option in January. This
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 27, 2024 16:47:59 GMT
We renew his deal this summer, then loan him out to a L2 side next year. There's no rush with these young players. Throwing them in at a level too high, too early ruins them. You'd think you'd have learnt this by now. He’d be daft to renew if that was the progression plan and I don’t think he would. Simkin, Sidibe and Tezgel should be on the bench for most of the season next year. He needs to be realistic though. He’s a talented young player, but injuries have set his development back 12 months at least. A contract extension and a league 1 loan is fine for him.
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Post by a on Apr 27, 2024 17:15:51 GMT
Neither Lowe or Tezgel are ready for championship football YET but after another full season out on loan for both then we need to take another look at them Common sense yes
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2024 17:43:13 GMT
He’d be daft to renew if that was the progression plan and I don’t think he would. Simkin, Sidibe and Tezgel should be on the bench for most of the season next year. He needs to be realistic though. He’s a talented young player, but injuries have set his development back 12 months at least. A contract extension and a league 1 loan is fine for him. Realism is that he’ll more than likely leave if he’s sent on loan again.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 27, 2024 17:46:07 GMT
I don't think he'll be expecting to be featuring here next season.
Their fans were even debating whether it was worth having him back on loan next season when I looked last week.
The consensus was that it was, but they didn't think they had someone they'd be lucky to get.
He's clearly a player with big potential - but, at 18, that's a long way normally off featuring in the Champo unless you're extra special and really physically developed.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 27, 2024 17:47:01 GMT
He needs to be realistic though. He’s a talented young player, but injuries have set his development back 12 months at least. A contract extension and a league 1 loan is fine for him. Realism is that he’ll more than likely leave if he’s sent on loan again. He’s not very realistic then. Don’t get me wrong, I like the lad and I want him to succeed but his injuries have set him back. Regular football in league 1 is acceptable development for him at this stage.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2024 18:23:16 GMT
Realism is that he’ll more than likely leave if he’s sent on loan again. He’s not very realistic then. Don’t get me wrong, I like the lad and I want him to succeed but his injuries have set him back. Regular football in league 1 is acceptable development for him at this stage. He will get a move to a club with a better pathway so it’s entirely realistic. Here or abroad.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 27, 2024 18:26:31 GMT
He’s not very realistic then. Don’t get me wrong, I like the lad and I want him to succeed but his injuries have set him back. Regular football in league 1 is acceptable development for him at this stage. He will get a move to a club with a better pathway so it’s entirely realistic. Here or abroad. I doubt it.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Apr 27, 2024 18:27:03 GMT
He’s not very realistic then. Don’t get me wrong, I like the lad and I want him to succeed but his injuries have set him back. Regular football in league 1 is acceptable development for him at this stage. He will get a move to a club with a better pathway so it’s entirely realistic. Here or abroad. If he isn't given a chance here he might as well not play for a prem team on a big contract
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Post by StoKeith on Apr 27, 2024 18:34:53 GMT
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Post by pmjh on Apr 27, 2024 18:40:47 GMT
Two goals and two assists in the last two games. Send him and Lowe out on 6 month loans.
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