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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 28, 2024 7:50:52 GMT
I don’t think slow motion should be used at all. Two or three camera angles at full speed. If you can only see it slowed down it can’t be obvious. It’s a farce and I prefer the controversy of old. Keep goal line technology. Slow motion is shite anyway. There never looks like contact is made in slow motion, even Sonko’s against Blackburn would have missed the millions of frames of him killing the Blackburn. It’s not fit for purpose.
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Post by jeycov on Mar 28, 2024 8:17:07 GMT
I’m in the minority but the idea of trying to improve the accuracy of decisions is good. It’s frustrating that the VAR are also people and make mistakes but it’s still filtering out some bad decisions. I like Prestwich’s idea of putting a time limit on it but can also see clubs complaining. The big change for me is to make the refs take responsibility for their mistakes and the referee bodies and football governing bodies to stop pretending like they’re doing a great job. We live in a free country but people can’t call out mistakes for bringing ‘football’ into disrepute, like it’s some kind of mediaeval monarch. It’s Putin levels of propaganda and it’s utterly ridiculous. Cricket, tennis, athletics …… most professional sports use technology to improve the accuracy of officiating With so many financial implications, decisions should be as precise as possible ( it will always be as good as the technology of course) For decisions involving penalties, cards etc they have a significant effect on outcomes Just an opinion, it may have saved us from relegation and we’ve certainly not had the rub of the green this season Should it even out? For other sports spectators get to see the replays, maybe football should adopt that
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 28, 2024 15:02:52 GMT
For years before VAR we've had Match of the Day or Sky Sports News spending more time analysing key decisions than talking about the actual football. Inevitably, somebody felt aggrieved post match that the officials got something wrong.
VAR can correct a lot of in-game mistakes made by officials - nothing will be perfect - and should be limited to 30 seconds to confirm the ref's decision or ask him to look at the pitch side monitor.
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Post by Davef on Mar 30, 2024 14:17:03 GMT
How the hell is that a penalty for Newcastle?
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Post by StokieDJC on Mar 31, 2024 9:32:56 GMT
How the hell is that a penalty for Newcastle? Surely a foul the opposite way, he blocked the clearance by intercepting the player not getting the ball.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2024 9:34:24 GMT
The Everton non-penalty too.
It’s just pointless.
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Post by StokieDJC on Mar 31, 2024 9:36:16 GMT
On a side note I cannot stand Gordon, seems an absolute weapon like his manager.
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Post by i1da on Mar 31, 2024 10:55:31 GMT
90 seconds is way too long. Even 30 seconds is. The only thing I could accept was if it was immediatly and clearly shown, for example on the scoreboard, if a VAR has seen a "clear and obvious" infringement that the ref missed. Just like the linesmen do (or rather did) for offsides. No time to check millimetre handballs or offsides, and no time to check if he grazed his opponents balls with his hair in the box. That way we keep the immidiacy, and we get rid of the video distortion making fouls make look worse than they are and we keep the flow of the game, the temperature and the VAR understands the level of strictness the ref has set for the game. Everything must happen in real time, or it's destroying the moment and the flow of the game. Offsides also don't need the video treatment. The VAR can see the game from a TV perspective and find those the ref misses. The offside rule used to be much easier to understand: "If you're nearer the goal than 2 players from the oppsing team AND gain an advantage from your position, you're offside". Now it's 0,4 inches from the back foot or armpit or something just as dumb. No need to complicate the game to account for VAR idiocy. I think you have to be realistic, some incidents may require 2/3 different camera angles and not sure 30 seconds would be enough for that. Either way pick a number that's realistic and that should be the limit..... For this to work properly, it needs to be ZERO time to make the decision. Someone else said we should not even be aware it’s been used. ;When the VAR official sees something, he says to ref “checking handball” or whatever. Ref allows play to go on. Within 20 seconds, VAR says “Stop” or “play on” and that’s the decision - no debate or looking at 20 different angles. if “stop”, VAR shows incident on screen in real speed so the fans can understand what happened. If, in the meantime the aggrieved team have obtained a better advantage, (example scored a goal) the better advantage is either allowed to stand or game continues without interruption.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 31, 2024 11:06:33 GMT
The Everton non-penalty too. It’s just pointless. I think was one of those that looks a pen in slow mo but wasn't Tap on the ankle, theatrical fall. Both the Gordon ones were instigated by him for me. First one , defender is committed, Gordon leans into him and goes over the leg. Something he's done previously Second one absolutely never. Is Gordon who creates the contact and goes into Wayne Sleep mode. Again in slow mo the contact looks like it causes him to go down. Refs are under instruction to look out for contact that shouldn't cause a player to go down . Perfect example the Everton one . Good reffing for the West Ham goal as well. A free kick should be an advantage. A slap in the face doesn't cause a 6 foot 3 player to go to ground
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2024 11:08:18 GMT
The Everton non-penalty too. It’s just pointless. I think was one of those that looks a pen in slow mo but wasn't Tap on the ankle, theatrical fall. Both the Gordon ones were instigated by him for me. First one , defender is committed, Gordon leans into him and goes over the leg. Something he's done previously Second one absolutely never. Is Gordon who creates the contact and goes into Wayne Sleep mode. Again in slow mo the contact looks like it causes him to go down. A tap on the ankle is a foul at that speed.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 31, 2024 11:10:13 GMT
I think was one of those that looks a pen in slow mo but wasn't Tap on the ankle, theatrical fall. Both the Gordon ones were instigated by him for me. First one , defender is committed, Gordon leans into him and goes over the leg. Something he's done previously Second one absolutely never. Is Gordon who creates the contact and goes into Wayne Sleep mode. Again in slow mo the contact looks like it causes him to go down. A tap on the ankle is a foul at that speed. In that case every contact is a foul
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 31, 2024 11:12:51 GMT
The Everton non-penalty too. It’s just pointless. I think was one of those that looks a pen in slow mo but wasn't Tap on the ankle, theatrical fall. Both the Gordon ones were instigated by him for me. First one , defender is committed, Gordon leans into him and goes over the leg. Something he's done previously Second one absolutely never. Is Gordon who creates the contact and goes into Wayne Sleep mode. Again in slow mo the contact looks like it causes him to go down. I think with the Everton one, if the ref gives it on the pitch then there are absolutely no complaints. He’s been caught after beating his man. I don’t think refs want to give decisions until waiting to see what happens now and see if VAR will bail them out. It’s not fit for purpose and is being used to referee games now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2024 11:12:54 GMT
A tap on the ankle is a foul at that speed. In that case every contact is a foul If it impedes a player like that did then yes 🤣
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 31, 2024 11:15:17 GMT
In that case every contact is a foul If it impedes a player like that did then yes 🤣 It didn't He felt it and dived The ridiculous fall swayed the ref for me
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 31, 2024 11:19:30 GMT
I think was one of those that looks a pen in slow mo but wasn't Tap on the ankle, theatrical fall. Both the Gordon ones were instigated by him for me. First one , defender is committed, Gordon leans into him and goes over the leg. Something he's done previously Second one absolutely never. Is Gordon who creates the contact and goes into Wayne Sleep mode. Again in slow mo the contact looks like it causes him to go down. I think with the Everton one, if the ref gives it on the pitch then there are absolutely no complaints. He’s been caught after beating his man. I don’t think refs want to give decisions until waiting to see what happens now and see if VAR will bail them out. It’s not fit for purpose and is being used to referee games now. I think a clear case of contact being minimal and the player going to ground when he can clearly stay on his feet , something they're trying to clamp down on and rightly so . Same with the West Ham goal, the player has gone to ground holding his face where clearly not enough to cause him to do that. The ref can see that, allows a free kick as he's punished for playing acting. Was great refereeing The second Gordon one, VAR has over ruled the ref who for me was correct not to give it
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 11, 2024 16:44:16 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 11, 2024 16:47:50 GMT
Part way through the season isn't ideal, but definitely a step forward.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 11, 2024 17:07:59 GMT
Part way through the season isn't ideal, but definitely a step forward. The technology is pretty mind boggling. Sensors in the ball sending data 500 times *a second*, 26 points on every player's body continuously monitored. What I still don't quite understand is how they determine what a "straight" line across the pitch is when you're measuring a line drawn to pixel-precision on a screen against one that's painted onto rough grass by a bloke with a fag on and a t-shirt tied round his head
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Post by tuum on Apr 13, 2024 16:08:19 GMT
It would be fuckin funny if VAR would have overturned Bristol's 90+10 penalty.
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