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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 6, 2023 20:26:24 GMT
Well that's 2 reds for me.
The second one isn't exactly GBH but it's a clear kick out.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 6, 2023 20:27:43 GMT
VAR is fucked, Spurs should be down to 9 men!
Absolutely unbelievable decisions ... š¤¦āāļø
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 6, 2023 20:27:57 GMT
Spurs should be 9 men now after Romario kicks out itās getting worse var
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 6, 2023 20:29:26 GMT
And got two wrong spurs should be down to 9
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Post by satoshi on Nov 6, 2023 20:30:31 GMT
This is unwatchable š
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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 6, 2023 20:30:43 GMT
Mental theyāve reviewed those and still allowed them both to stay on the pitch.
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Post by werrington on Nov 6, 2023 20:31:00 GMT
Turning into a farce this
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 6, 2023 20:31:55 GMT
Neville is box office on comms š
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Post by milky on Nov 6, 2023 20:32:55 GMT
This game is likely to finish around midnight.
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Post by satoshi on Nov 6, 2023 20:33:23 GMT
Chelsea two goals disallowed spurs one. romero should have been sent off twice š
And doggie shouldāve been sent off once
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Post by theoptimist on Nov 6, 2023 20:33:33 GMT
Golden boy Oliver reffing. No way that two-footer yellow was going to be overturned.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 6, 2023 20:33:56 GMT
Absolute joke. Get it gone.
Referees petrified to make a decision.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 6, 2023 20:35:11 GMT
What a fucking joke that is.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 6, 2023 20:35:14 GMT
Romero got everything coming to him there, he'll never learn ...
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Post by beerspiller on Nov 6, 2023 20:38:05 GMT
VAR is spoiling what should be a great match to watch. It should only be used once a half for each team on the request of the manager. I want to watch a game of football not referees enjoying the spotlight. And for the delay in giving offside is ridiculous.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 6, 2023 20:43:49 GMT
VAR is spoiling what should be a great match to watch. It should only be used once a half for each team on the request of the manager. I want to watch a game of football not referees enjoying the spotlight. And for the delay in giving offside is ridiculous. Not sure if has. The pen wasn't spotted by the ref and the decisions correct apart from the little terrier Udogie. Refs aren't enjoying this I don't think, been a mare to referee |
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Post by noustie on Nov 6, 2023 20:49:35 GMT
Game would be miles better without VAR would be 2-1 Chelsea with 11v11.
Got to wonder if this stop start is increasing injuries too
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 6, 2023 22:55:05 GMT
It's going to ruin the game as we know it ...
The delays are absolutely ridiculous.
You will soon be able to get a coffee and have a piss whilst the decisions are being made.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 6, 2023 23:22:05 GMT
It's farcical. Every time a goal goes in you're second guessing whether there was any possible infringement in the build up.
It's caused far more issues than it has solved on balance.
I'd love to know the number of disallowed goals this season.
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Post by LphPotter on Nov 6, 2023 23:27:56 GMT
VAR is spoiling what should be a great match to watch. It should only be used once a half for each team on the request of the manager. I want to watch a game of football not referees enjoying the spotlight. And for the delay in giving offside is ridiculous. It was still a great game to watch but would have been even better without the nonsense, imagine being a Chelsea or Tottenham fan in the stadium with how many times the game was stopped to check on things and having no clue whatās going on. Itās an absolute farce and it was always going to be this way, why anyone ever wanted it is beyond me. Now itās here, we will never go back. Football was not broken and did not need fixing. |
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Post by mrrine on Nov 6, 2023 23:55:05 GMT
Chelsea two goals disallowed spurs one. romero should have been sent off twice š And doggie shouldāve been sent off once The Romero stuff is a joke - got away with two and still managed to get himself a red  . I realise I'm in the slimmest of a minority here but the Udogie first yellow for me is a joke, gets the ball completely and nothing wrong with taking a little bit of the man. Listening to Neville you would've thought he'd executed a puppy. Over sanitising slide tackles because Arsene Wenger didn't like them leads to getting booked for getting the ball? It's things like this that just drag the game down and make it less and less enjoyable. (But I dont wan't to hijack the VAR thread so I'll leave it there.) |
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 7, 2023 0:51:28 GMT
The game is too quick for officials these days It's not the 1980s when the fastest player on the pitch was a 30 year old with the build 0f Elmo from Brush Strokes Too much at stake also. Just needs to be sped up I donāt think that the game is too quick, I think that the players cheat too much. Each tackle in the PL is met with an audition for the next fake video of an ongoing war. Itās pathetic. Now that all the PL games have such tv scrutiny, they should easily be able to retrospectively ban these useless ārole modelsā for being scumbag little cheats. Of course, they never will. One of the biggest problems with technology is that it fails to address the biggest issue in the game (by simply ignoring it) and instead devotes all its attention to decisions that it still struggles to justify convincingly. |
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Post by idle on Nov 7, 2023 6:29:59 GMT
It's farcical. Every time a goal goes in you're second guessing whether there was any possible infringement in the build up. It's caused far more issues than it has solved on balance. I'd love to know the number of disallowed goals this season. And just think what this does to those actually at the stadium. It's horrible. I know, because I go to games with VAR regularly. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 7, 2023 7:52:12 GMT
I don't want to claim the credit as I think someone else posted on this thread earlier that sky sports love VAR as it gives them loads of additional controversy to fill their 24hr cycle with. It makes complete sense. VAR to Sky is a crucial part of the game now. They will use all their influence to keep VAR and they ain't bothered how it impacts the game so long as they can fill hours of coverage with more and more controversy.
And maybe they are onto something because as a neutral I kind of found all that chaos last night quite amusing.
But something has to give as VAR is turning into a bit of a monster. Should be for off sides only. Bad challenges etc should be for post match review only with punishments handed out post game. Simple.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2023 8:51:05 GMT
There will be whining but there always will be. Weāve shown VAR doesnāt work. It was a bad experiment and the results are in. Fuck it off. They make it work abroad.Ā It's the idiots in the English game running it that are the issue. Our referees are terrible so no wonder the VAR is - it's the same blokes running it. I would never have brought it in other than goal line technology.Ā It isn't going anywhere, we're stuck with it. Do they? The Spanish fans hate it from what I see on Twitter. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 7, 2023 9:11:09 GMT
Massively improved decision accuracy and its factual the stats back it up. Proving people will moan their absolute tits off regardless and is why half the criticisms should be taken with a pinch of a salt. Thereās always a crisis going on according to some wankers. Pundits donāt help the nonsense either . Implementation of it needs improving though How can we be sure decision accuracy is improved? Outside of offside and goal lines, the ārightā decision is subjective. Wolves have, in my view, been on the wrong end of two penalty decisions in two weeks but both were impossible for VAR to evaluate, better to accept the refereeās decision. The. what was the āaccurateā decision on Havertz? Football is trying to create an objective standard for subjective decisions and very likely the people analysing what is right are biased. Even more problematic is the game is being changed to fit VAR. For example, The offside standard is now miles away from the reason the Law was introduced. And the momentum and feel of a game has been changed for the worse. Postecoglu articulated it perfectly, accept the refereeās decision and move on. |
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Post by werrington on Nov 7, 2023 9:29:50 GMT
Pre VAR if a team had a goal that either went for them or against them the managers would scream we need VAR
Itās exactly the same now only in reverse
They are all hypocrites just like supporters who laugh then it goes against a team they donāt like
If arsenal score a similar goal on Saturday do we think Arteta will condemn the ref then?ā¦.no heāll say they were due some luck
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 9:53:00 GMT
Two teams of eleven men are meant to be entertaining the fans .
Not arguing over technicalities and demanding minutes are spent on in depth computer analysis of every incident leading up to the 'goal' for every significant incident in the game.
Even if VAR reaches the right decision,it's ruining the game.
The point of thousands of people going to a stadium, to watch a game of football, is that it is meant to be enjoyable and entertaining.
VAR completely ignores this and becomes embroiled in computer analysis of technicalities, which let's face it is about as entertaining as an the E.U. summit arguing over how many grapes should be grown in Italy and how many in France.
The game is not about arguing over technicalities.
It's meant to be fun .
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 7, 2023 9:53:21 GMT
Massively improved decision accuracy and its factual the stats back it up. Proving people will moan their absolute tits off regardless and is why half the criticisms should be taken with a pinch of a salt. Thereās always a crisis going on according to some wankers. Pundits donāt help the nonsense either . Implementation of it needs improving though How can we be sure decision accuracy is improved? Outside of offside and goal lines, the ārightā decision is subjective. Wolves have, in my view, been on the wrong end of two penalty decisions in two weeks but both were impossible for VAR to evaluate, better to accept the refereeās decision. The. what was the āaccurateā decision on Havertz? Football is trying to create an objective standard for subjective decisions and very likely the people analysing what is right are biased. Even more problematic is the game is being changed to fit VAR. For example, The offside standard is now miles away from the reason the Law was introduced. And the momentum and feel of a game has been changed for the worse. Postecoglu articulated it perfectly, accept the refereeās decision and move on. Exactly this. I think VAR is messing the game up big time and messing the referees up even more, with players adding to the chaos. We've basically gone down a rabbit hole. The stats that back up VAR are unreliable. They are based on random categories of what are retrospectively considered 'right' and 'wrong' decisions, which are often themselves subjective conclusions, arbitrarily taken from selected incidents. Another reason why the data is unreliable is that now referees are not making decisions and waiting for VAR to decide. Previously they would have made a decision and the game would have just gone on from there. The handball from Sterling was obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes yet that will be categorised as a correct VAR decision when the ref would have, in previous times, just blown for handball. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Nov 7, 2023 9:54:00 GMT
The game is too quick for officials these days It's not the 1980s when the fastest player on the pitch was a 30 year old with the build 0f Elmo from Brush Strokes Too much at stake also. Just needs to be sped up I donāt think that the game is too quick, I think that the players cheat too much. Each tackle in the PL is met with an audition for the next fake video of an ongoing war. Itās pathetic. Now that all the PL games have such tv scrutiny, they should easily be able to retrospectively ban these useless ārole modelsā for being scumbag little cheats. Of course, they never will. One of the biggest problems with technology is that it fails to address the biggest issue in the game (by simply ignoring it) and instead devotes all its attention to decisions that it still struggles to justify convincingly. I was watching the Forest v Malmƶ cup final the other day and it was like football on another planet. It was so slow, the odd attemot at a five was like watching you uncle take a spill at Xmas after too many brandys. If you slowed today's game down to half speed they would out pace that lot. Of course no one dived then apart from every team in Europe . Is way too quick at times. This myth that player never dived before, European nights were unwatchable at times. |
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