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Post by spitthedog on Sept 30, 2023 21:23:59 GMT
The Liverpool decisions today are bizarre.
Drawing the offside line in the wrong place, and now they are saying they might have been drawing the line from the wrong angle all season.
We used to just be able to blame the ref or linesman for bad decisions, now its a whole team of VAR officials cocking it up.
Another sending off where the incident looks totally different in real time that it does when its freeze frame.
It's a real mess they have created.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 30, 2023 21:26:07 GMT
Fuck it off, goal line technology is all that's needed!
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Post by bojanwonder on Sept 30, 2023 21:28:52 GMT
Totally ruining football and I would imagine fans, players and managers alike would be glad to see the back of it. Not going to happen though, is it? There isn't a weekend goes by where we aren't left scratching our heads over at least one decision!
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Post by willieeetmiout on Sept 30, 2023 21:30:26 GMT
The grass wasn't greener on the other side after all.
Seemed a great idea at the time.
But it's just the fucking pits isn't it.
It's ripping the life and soul out of football for no good reason at all.
1 fuck up is enough to get rid in my opinion. There have been dozens!!
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 30, 2023 21:32:05 GMT
Totally ruining football and I would imagine fans, players and managers alike would be glad to see the back of it. Not going to happen though, is it? There isn't a weekend goes by where we aren't left scratching our heads over at least one decision! Is it because they want to create more jobs for these VAR officials, or is it to make more work for pundits? cant make it out tbh. It's just making the game so complicated and confusing. There is no discernible logic in decision making anymore. |
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Post by bojanwonder on Sept 30, 2023 21:36:02 GMT
Totally ruining football and I would imagine fans, players and managers alike would be glad to see the back of it. Not going to happen though, is it? There isn't a weekend goes by where we aren't left scratching our heads over at least one decision! Is it because they want to create more jobs for these VAR officials, or is it to make more work for pundits? cant make it out tbh. It's just making the game so complicated and confusing. There is no discernible logic in decision making anymore. Whatever it is there will be money involved somewhere. |
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Sept 30, 2023 21:36:40 GMT
If it screws the Bin Dippers, long may it continue
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 30, 2023 21:51:22 GMT
It's still biased with and without it so may as well get rid of it.
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Post by philb on Sept 30, 2023 21:57:08 GMT
Human error apparently. You must be either f’ing thick to get that one wrong or corrupt. Unbelievable.
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Post by somersetpotter on Sept 30, 2023 22:00:54 GMT
Don’t the blame the technology for human incompetence.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 30, 2023 22:15:21 GMT
I couldn't believe it was given as offside at the time. When it went to VAR my totally uninterested wife half-arsedly said "Oh, what's gone on there" as she was busy doing her nails or something stupid like that.
I proceeded to give an unsolicited, extremely passionate, mansplaining lecture of the offside law and said something like "100% a goal and I'll eat my own arse if it's not".
Then it was given as offside and I looked like a right knob.
You know what, in fact I'm going to go and wake her up and tell her it was a VAR error, hopefully then she'll be attracted to me again.
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Post by Picasso on Sept 30, 2023 22:33:07 GMT
What I didn’t like about the sending off was that when the ref went to the tv screen, you could clearly see that the first view he was given was a still if the worst looking part of the challenge. Surely he should have been shown the challenge in its entirety at first! The still, on its own, does look like a sending off, but if it is put into context with the full footage of the challenge, it is nowhere near as bad. I know he saw it all eventually, but to see that still first off, must have swayed him.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 30, 2023 22:57:24 GMT
What I didn’t like about the sending off was that when the ref went to the tv screen, you could clearly see that the first view he was given was a still if the worst looking part of the challenge. Surely he should have been shown the challenge in its entirety at first! The still, on its own, does look like a sending off, but if it is put into context with the full footage of the challenge, it is nowhere near as bad. I know he saw it all eventually, but to see that still first off, must have swayed him. Exactly, as in life, context is everything. My issue with VAR is that it creates a different reality with slow-mo and freeze frame, distorts it totally. Why don't they just watch it back in real time and make a decision??? It should be as simple as that. If they have to watch something 10 times to make a decision then something is wrong. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 1, 2023 0:42:23 GMT
Var has made refs lazy. They shit out of decisions and let var sort it out later.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 1, 2023 2:22:31 GMT
What I didn’t like about the sending off was that when the ref went to the tv screen, you could clearly see that the first view he was given was a still if the worst looking part of the challenge. Surely he should have been shown the challenge in its entirety at first! The still, on its own, does look like a sending off, but if it is put into context with the full footage of the challenge, it is nowhere near as bad. I know he saw it all eventually, but to see that still first off, must have swayed him. Exactly, as in life, context is everything. My issue with VAR is that it creates a different reality with slow-mo and freeze frame, distorts it totally. Why don't they just watch it back in real time and make a decision??? It should be as simple as that. If they have to watch something 10 times to make a decision then something is wrong. It’s absolutely mental that real-time replays aren’t a significant part of a VAR review. At the very least it should be watched from all the angles in real time *before* going to the fuckin matrix replays they currently base their decisions on. Ideally they’d finish the review with a real-time playback as well. |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 1, 2023 8:26:33 GMT
Without VAR it would have been no goal. We need VAR and I wish we bloody had it in the championship where referees can be bias and corrupt and get away with it. It just needs the right people controlling it that's all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2023 8:33:22 GMT
Without VAR it would have been no goal. We need VAR and I wish we bloody had it in the championship where referees can be bias and corrupt and get away with it. It just needs the right people controlling it that's all. That's the problem. The so called "biased" and "corrupt" officials are the ones who would be running it. Who else are we going to get to run it? I've heard ex-pros get a mention, but they're all either living in the past or thick as fuck know nothings. Gary Neville, one of the better ex-pros to commentate/pundit on the telly thought that wasn't a red card yesterday, and he's wrong. Perhaps back in the 90's when he was playing it wouldn't have been but it was in today's game. VAR in the Championship would be even more fucked up than it is in the Premier League, there is no way I'd want it in this league. |
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Post by scarlet on Oct 1, 2023 8:57:56 GMT
Used correctly VAR should be as close to infallible as it gets. Unfortunately the football authorities have put the very people whose incompetence led to the need for it in charge of it.
It’s the footballing equivalent of Wrights designing the perfect meat pie and employing Sweeney Todd to source the ingredients.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Oct 1, 2023 9:00:08 GMT
Referees getting decisions wrong has always been part of football and gives fans something to discuss and argue about in the pub after the match.
Now everything is sanitised and all the fun is being sucked out of the game.
Premier League fans can’t now even celebrate a goal until minutes later, it’s all so wrong.
Only time I wished VAR was in existence was FA cup semi final v Arsenal at Goodison. Older fans will know what I mean.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 1, 2023 9:02:54 GMT
Just keep it for Liverpool games as that one yesterday was absolutely brilliant. I still haven't stopped laughing.
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Post by luciani on Oct 1, 2023 9:11:55 GMT
The VAR operators are like those drivers who blindly follow their SatNav to the edge of a cliff.
It’s a farce that’s ruining the game and it needs sacking off now.
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Post by liathroid on Oct 1, 2023 9:12:17 GMT
They made simple game so hard to understand . We all played ball knew how to play , now they need pictures on the sideline to show them how to play . Also I was wondering with FFP clubs going down because suing because some other team over spent , will some club sue over these fucking stupid mistakes if it means they go down.
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 1, 2023 9:15:38 GMT
But possibly the worst decision in that match was the first yellow which then led to Liverpool’s second red. The Spurs player tripped himself up. And that didn’t involve VAR. The problem, as I’ve said many times before, is the system that football has chosen to use which has ignored the lessons leaned by other sports which introduced video officials long before. There will always be some decisions which come down to opinion but VAR should eliminate the vast majority of mistakes. The fact that it doesn’t shows that the way it’s being used is wrong.
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Post by satoshi on Oct 1, 2023 9:25:12 GMT
If it’s not 100% it needs to be scrapped
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 1, 2023 9:28:15 GMT
Awful balls up yesterday but it’s down to window-licking, keyboard face-rolling human incompetence.
I am still a huge fan of the tech. It’s win for better decisions overall. We are in the 21st century and need to get with the times.
Don’t blame the tech for human idiocy.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Oct 1, 2023 9:44:56 GMT
Referees getting decisions wrong has always been part of football and gives fans something to discuss and argue about in the pub after the match.
Now everything is sanitised and all the fun is being sucked out of the game.
Premier League fans can’t now even celebrate a goal until minutes later, it’s all so wrong.
Only time I wished VAR was in existence was FA cup semi final v Arsenal at Goodison. Older fans will know what I mean.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 1, 2023 10:36:25 GMT
Referees getting decisions wrong has always been part of football and gives fans something to discuss and argue about in the pub after the match. Now everything is sanitised and all the fun is being sucked out of the game. Premier League fans can’t now even celebrate a goal until minutes later, it’s all so wrong. Only time I wished VAR was in existence was FA cup semi final v Arsenal at Goodison. Older fans will know what I mean. Agreed but the trouble is that so much money can be won/lost on wrong decisions and VAR should have reduced them. The VAR is a referee and whether knowingly or not it is obvious that most referees are biased. Stoke are an example of non VAR bias - a lot of the bookings dished out to Stoke players are because of our reputation under Pulis and from the high publicity given to Ramsey's leg break. Unfortunately that carries over to the VAR official. Yesterday it seems that they were too lazy to do their job properly and didn't give the ref all the information that was available, not even showing the lines apparently, just a replay. Do VAR officials who make these obvious mistakes get any punishment or do they just remain hidden in their little room where no one can see what they are doing. |
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Oct 1, 2023 10:40:15 GMT
It's not incompetence it's downright corrupt.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2023 13:09:09 GMT
So he was refereeing in the UAE 48 hours before this game.
Presumably paid.
The UAE essentially own Man City.
No conflict of interest there….
Now I don’t believe it’s corruption, I think they’re just shit but you couldn’t blame anyone for suggesting it and it’s something that the FA, Premier League, PGMOL or whoever are opening themselves up to.
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Post by cdf on Oct 1, 2023 13:23:13 GMT
Human error apparently. You must be either f’ing thick to get that one wrong or corrupt. Unbelievable. The worst part was that it was actually two of them in the studio making the same wank decision. The VAR Ref and his assitant |
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