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Post by spitthedog on Sept 28, 2023 0:13:30 GMT
MON was the only decent manager we’ve had since Sparky plus wank players Therefore, we’re toss Could we prise Sparky away from Bradford and let the good times roll? I miss his turn of phrase 'maximum points', 'people thought we would lose but we never subscribed to that view ', 'they didn't create anything of note' and more. And he was likeable! Have you watched Bradford?
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Post by stokesaint1 on Sept 28, 2023 0:26:29 GMT
Just landed at the stadium. Fingers crossed they’ve arrived to clear out Neil’s office before the squad arrive back. No rush on that. The squad and management team are all staying down there all week to prepare for the Bristol City game and some team bonding, that's according to the Radio Joke commentator tonight. He should stay with them and use the time to gen up his Stoke City knowledge, which is currently sadly lacking. Come back Nigel, all is forgiven.
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Post by stokefaninde on Sept 28, 2023 0:50:52 GMT
Anyone else notice the form dipped when Vidigal was hurt? Table scream we need more goals. I understand the frusteration in defense, but we need a healthy Vidigal and another 1 or two to help bang em in.. Simple
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Post by stokefaninde on Sept 28, 2023 0:51:21 GMT
Take and make chances.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Sept 28, 2023 0:59:31 GMT
Goalscorer
Only time we looked a free scoring team in recent memory was with assaidi, odemwingie, Ireland, nzonzi, marko
That team could hurt anyone and had decent balance
Since then we’ve NEVER dared consider buying a player who scored 10 or more goals the season prior.
If we spent the wimmer/imbula money on a striker we’d so much better off
For some reason we can’t recover from not scoring first, because we have ZERO belief we’ll get back into the game
We’re psychologically damaged
Little old stoke has its consequences
We need to start taking ourselves, our club, our city and winning seriously.
Second best or a billionaires play thing isn’t good enough, this isn’t a farm shop
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Sept 28, 2023 1:44:10 GMT
It all went tits up when they sacked TP
Said when we got relegated I will never see us in the Prem again.
Sadly it seems more likely than ever.
Why do we bother ??
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Post by rowbeartoe on Sept 28, 2023 1:59:15 GMT
It all went tits up when they sacked TP Said when we got relegated I will never see us in the Prem again. Sadly it seems more likely than ever. Why do we bother ?? Absolutely fucking bollocks. We went from strength to strength after sacking Pulis and looked dynamite for a few seasons, the media were hailing us and we were on the verge of establishing ourselves properly and then we went and made some absolutely shocking decisions that ruined the club but in no way was that related to sacking Pulis. Get a grip.
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Post by victoria on Sept 28, 2023 3:09:32 GMT
We tend to improve enough to stay up towards the end of each awful season. That the ambition of the club ,staying up, just, is good enough. Never mind the crap that we turn up to watch. The club talks about promotion ,it just talk. What the stadium is worth and the youth training is the biggest ambition of the club. The first team is a loss of money. We dont make money on the tranfer of first team players. The match experience is not good along with the match.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 28, 2023 4:27:55 GMT
It all went tits up when they sacked TP Said when we got relegated I will never see us in the Prem again. Sadly it seems more likely than ever. Why do we bother ?? Absolutely fucking bollocks. We went from strength to strength after sacking Pulis and looked dynamite for a few seasons, the media were hailing us and we were on the verge of establishing ourselves properly and then we went and made some absolutely shocking decisions that ruined the club but in no way was that related to sacking Pulis. Get a grip. I couldn't have put that any better myself mate. The notion that some of our fans still think it was wrong to get rid of TP when we did is absolutely fucking mental. The best football I've ever seen us play was under Hughes but unlike with TP the owners let him stay over his welcome and the rest is history. I truly believe if they had got rid of Hughes in the summer before the horror season and bought a good manager in we would still be in the premier League now. They didn't and have to live with that as do we but it breaks my heart to see where we were then to where we are now. I bloody love this club with everything I've got, I just wish they would wake bloody up because we deserve so much better.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 28, 2023 5:30:56 GMT
It all went tits up when they sacked TP Said when we got relegated I will never see us in the Prem again. Sadly it seems more likely than ever. Why do we bother ?? A lad insane
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 28, 2023 6:28:01 GMT
It all went tits up when they sacked TP Said when we got relegated I will never see us in the Prem again. Sadly it seems more likely than ever. Why do we bother ?? So you had your eyes shut for the years where we played some good football and finished in the top half of the Premier League?.. impressive dedication to an agenda.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 28, 2023 6:34:20 GMT
All fair points, people can continue to gripe but it won’t change. They would want an astronomical amount of money for the club and all its assets and I don’t see there being a willing buyer with deep enough pockets. What makes it worse is that they've effectively made the club unsellable but are also happy to piss away fucking millions every year on a project that clearly isn't working and these people founded and run one of the most successful companies in the world. It's genuinely mind boggling. Even if she has no interest in the club surely Denise looks at the state of the situation and thinks what the fuck are we doing? The family’s idea of football is decades out of date. They continue to appoint dour British dinosaurs who have no track record of playing progressive, free flowing, high scoring attacking football. Their mentality is the same as a huge swathe of our fans who keep wanting to go back to our last successful dour defensive manager even though his last few jobs clearly showed the game had moved on and left him behind.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 28, 2023 6:39:49 GMT
It all went tits up when they sacked TP Said when we got relegated I will never see us in the Prem again. Sadly it seems more likely than ever. Why do we bother ?? 🤣🤣 Did you have memory loss for 3 and half years?
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Post by hooftastic on Sept 28, 2023 6:40:21 GMT
Has anyone blamed the fans yet?
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Post by baconburger on Sept 28, 2023 6:42:35 GMT
Anyone else notice the form dipped when Vidigal was hurt? Table scream we need more goals. I understand the frusteration in defense, but we need a healthy Vidigal and another 1 or two to help bang em in.. Simple There were no goals in the side last night that was clear as soon as the team news came out but all you get is a bunch of backward fans screaming about defence. Don’t suppose there were many Blackburn fans screaming about the frailty of their defence or Liverpool fans. Scoring goals is the be all and end all in modern football. You don’t have to be brilliant look at Cardiff who got smashed they’ve scored in 11 consecutive games and are doing ok. I wouldn’t like to think where to start to think of the last time we scored in 11 consecutive games.
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Post by henry on Sept 28, 2023 7:03:33 GMT
It all went tits up when they sacked TP Said when we got relegated I will never see us in the Prem again. Sadly it seems more likely than ever. Why do we bother ?? Nice cast, you using Stick or Waggler?
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 28, 2023 7:16:48 GMT
Difficulty is that now we have a brand new squad which is not built around a spine of players, very little leadership and with every defeat the morale gets lower and lower. Half of the players will probably plotting ways out already. Without that team spirit of knowing each other inside out so that you can support each others weaknesses it soon becomes a bunch of individuals. Neil I don't think is a very good leader, so we need a manager capable of including everyone and getting them to gel and quick.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 28, 2023 7:17:19 GMT
Has anyone blamed the fans yet? Won't be long
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Post by Stokyo on Sept 28, 2023 7:19:31 GMT
It all went tits up when they sacked TP Said when we got relegated I will never see us in the Prem again. Sadly it seems more likely than ever. Why do we bother ?? So acording to you it had already gone tits up by the time we had 3 top ten prem finishes in a row and beat Liverpool 6-1. You must have hated stokelona.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 28, 2023 7:29:55 GMT
It all went tits up when they sacked TP Said when we got relegated I will never see us in the Prem again. Sadly it seems more likely than ever. Why do we bother ?? So acording to you it had already gone tits up by the time we had 3 top ten prem finishes in a row and beat Liverpool 6-1. You must have hated stokelona. Standards and discipline declined rapidly after TP left. Yes sparky did a great job changing the style and producing a good exciting team. But behind the scenes it was falling apart. In truth TP ran the club for the Coates. And whilst they got a more creative coach in everything else behind the scenes went down hill. And eventually it fell apart. Many fans fail to understand the amount of work TP did. Best manager since Waddo and that's just plain fact.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2023 7:30:08 GMT
Has anyone blamed the fans yet? Won't be long If anything, the supporters should be blamed for not taking more appropriate action to voice our anger over the recent years.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 28, 2023 7:32:59 GMT
It all went tits up when they sacked TP Said when we got relegated I will never see us in the Prem again. Sadly it seems more likely than ever. Why do we bother ?? I mean like... jeeeez what crap.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 28, 2023 7:36:42 GMT
It all went tits up when they sacked TP Said when we got relegated I will never see us in the Prem again. Sadly it seems more likely than ever. Why do we bother ?? So acording to you it had already gone tits up by the time we had 3 top ten prem finishes in a row and beat Liverpool 6-1. You must have hated stokelona. I like to imagine these people forcing back tears while we battered Liverpool, whimpering "but what about the cage?"
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Post by stiggerstackle on Sept 28, 2023 7:42:27 GMT
Fingers crossed they’ve arrived to clear out Neil’s office before the squad arrive back. They should drop a turd in his pencil drawer… He uses crayons.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 28, 2023 7:47:26 GMT
Complacency, no long term vision, stuck in a rut, take your pick.
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Post by rowbeartoe on Sept 28, 2023 8:20:38 GMT
So acording to you it had already gone tits up by the time we had 3 top ten prem finishes in a row and beat Liverpool 6-1. You must have hated stokelona. Standards and discipline declined rapidly after TP left. Yes sparky did a great job changing the style and producing a good exciting team. But behind the scenes it was falling apart. In truth TP ran the club for the Coates. And whilst they got a more creative coach in everything else behind the scenes went down hill. And eventually it fell apart. Many fans fail to understand the amount of work TP did. Best manager since Waddo and that's just plain fact. What a fucking manager Mark Hughes must be if it was completely falling apart behind the scenes for multiple seasons and yet he still managed to produce the best display of football we've seen in recent times AND our best placed finishes of the Premier League era. We didn't know what we had at the time. What a man.
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 28, 2023 8:31:15 GMT
It all went tits up when they sacked TP Said when we got relegated I will never see us in the Prem again. Sadly it seems more likely than ever. Why do we bother ?? Shite, the best Football we have played for decades was under MH. Pullis is , was and would still be a boring %age man who failed consistently to entertain during his last couple of seasons. He belongs in our archives.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 28, 2023 8:31:29 GMT
Standards and discipline declined rapidly after TP left. Yes sparky did a great job changing the style and producing a good exciting team. But behind the scenes it was falling apart. In truth TP ran the club for the Coates. And whilst they got a more creative coach in everything else behind the scenes went down hill. And eventually it fell apart. Many fans fail to understand the amount of work TP did. Best manager since Waddo and that's just plain fact. What a fucking manager Mark Hughes must be if it was completely falling apart behind the scenes for multiple seasons and yet he still managed to produce the best display of football we've seen in recent times AND our best placed finishes of the Premier League era. We didn't know what we had at the time. What a man. Be as sarky as you like. Standards and discipline dropped with Hughes. And slowly but surely it fell apart. You watched it yourself and we got relegated. And you're now 6 seasons out of the top flight and going backwards.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 28, 2023 8:40:04 GMT
It all comes down to the owners mate there's nowt else to it and it's not a mystery. There is no clearly defined club vision set by the owners, they don't recruit to that vision and they don't have a clue on how to run a modern football club. They let every new manager dictate the direction of the club and give them the keys to the kingdom which is why we've gone through 2-3 squads of players and not made any progress as we have no foundations to build upon because every new manager gets to rip out the foundations and put their own in so every time it goes wrong which it seems to always do we have to start from scratch again. Can having no vision really be directed at them this season though? Behind the scenes, we have had a shake-up and brought in a proven Head of Recruitment who found the gems that took Sheffield United to the Premier League a few seasons ago. Said HoR did what previous recruitment strategies should have employed and cast the net across Europe to bring in good players with potential - the overwhelming majority of fans on this Board widely applauded those we brought in. Things have started to get on the right track at Board level. The weakest link in all of this is Alex Neil. The regime just need to carry over their player recruitment strategy to the selection of manager to help galvanise our assets.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 28, 2023 8:41:43 GMT
What a fucking manager Mark Hughes must be if it was completely falling apart behind the scenes for multiple seasons and yet he still managed to produce the best display of football we've seen in recent times AND our best placed finishes of the Premier League era. We didn't know what we had at the time. What a man. Be as sarky as you like. Standards and discipline dropped with Hughes. And slowly but surely it fell apart. You watched it yourself and we got relegated. And you're now 6 seasons out of the top flight and going backwards. Standards and discipline weren't exactly tip-top at the end of the Pulis era, unless chucking bricks through people's car windows was a team-building exercise. The only problem with Hughes was that the owners didn't act fast enough to get rid when his time was up.
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