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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2023 22:25:43 GMT
Have I not fucking repeated it enough? 🤣
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 27, 2023 22:26:32 GMT
Of course they’re not and Dean’s call tonight was excellent post match but I don’t think it’s that easy just to get new owners in nowadays with money who’ve got the best interests of Stoke City at heart Why not though? Plenty of other clubs have and a lot were smaller than us at the time of their buyouts too. Tonight’s opponents being one of them. The thing is, we don’t necessarily need the Coates to sell, we just need them to fucking wake up and get with the times. JC could do a lot worse than going to spend some time with Tony Bloom. Who ironically also made his fortune from gambling, only he did it by taking money off the bookmakers. For the Tony Bloom’s and Matthew Benham’s we could also end up with owners that WBA and Reading have as well. I’m not against it but I just think it’s one massive gamble that Stoke City FC cannot make/take at this moment in time. I actually think they have seen the light last summer with the new set up but maybe they’ve gone too far in giving Ricky Martin so much power?
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 27, 2023 22:28:25 GMT
Why not though? Plenty of other clubs have and a lot were smaller than us at the time of their buyouts too. Tonight’s opponents being one of them. The thing is, we don’t necessarily need the Coates to sell, we just need them to fucking wake up and get with the times. JC could do a lot worse than going to spend some time with Tony Bloom. Who ironically also made his fortune from gambling, only he did it by taking money off the bookmakers. For the Tony Bloom’s and Matthew Benham’s we could also end up with owners that WBA and Reading have as well. I’m not against it but I just think it’s one massive gamble that Stoke City FC cannot make/take at this moment in time. I actually think they have seen the light last summer with the new set up but maybe they’ve gone too far in giving Ricky Martin so much power? But again, Ricky Martin was Alex Neil’s appointment. So they’ve even gone arse about face appointing a technical director. The manager still has carte Blanche, it’s just wrong.
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Post by Boothen on Sept 27, 2023 22:29:47 GMT
I still hold on to the theory that John Coates is not the brightest and has been given a few hundred million and told to go away and run the football team in order to keep him away from, and prevent him meddling in, the families real business and money maker, Bet365.
And just as I typed that, the Bet365 helo. buzzed right over my head.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 27, 2023 22:30:30 GMT
With our balance sheet the way it is, only a very rich person could afford us. And whose fault is that? They've proved consistently that they're not fit to run the club. How much longer do we put up with the shit they're feeding us? It's been 6.5 years so far. Do we wait until they hit a decade? Maybe 15 years of mismanagement is acceptable? Or what about another 23 years in the wilderness? When is the cut off point? Or isn't there one and we'll all just continue to be good little Stokies and just be grateful that the club actually still exists (albeit in League Two). All fair points, people can continue to gripe but it won’t change. They would want an astronomical amount of money for the club and all its assets and I don’t see there being a willing buyer with deep enough pockets.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 27, 2023 22:31:07 GMT
Hmmm marginally best of a bad bunch but was dreadful to watch and devoid of plan b’s when things went pear shaped and ultimately failed pretty dismally But agree with the other points by and large !!! MoN did a pretty incredible job to save us from relegation when he arrived. I think people have forgotten what an absolute mess the club was in at the time. In his second season he stabilised the club despite FFP restrictions and we even threatened around the play offs for a short period of time. However, MoN's ultimate failing that he was unable to build a promotion winning team. His approach was too cautious and pragmatic to get enough wins to get ourselves in the play off mix. By the end of that season and the start of last year he had just completely lost the plot really. Yep, too cautious and pragmatic = unadventurous and boring to watch - and ran out of ideas like you say - with hindsight I wonder if we’d have fared better if he’d failed to prevent us being relegated ? Matters not tho - it is wot it is
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 27, 2023 22:31:52 GMT
I still hold on to the theory that John Coates is not the brightest and has been given a few hundred million and told to go away and run the football team in order to keep him away from, and prevent him meddling in, the families real business and money maker, Bet365. And just as I typed that, the Bet365 helo. buzzed right over my head. Just landed at the stadium.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Sept 27, 2023 22:32:31 GMT
I still hold on to the theory that John Coates is not the brightest and has been given a few hundred million and told to go away and run the football team in order to keep him away from, and prevent him meddling in, the families real business and money maker, Bet365. And just as I typed that, the Bet365 helo. buzzed right over my head. That's you off'd in the next 10 mins
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 27, 2023 22:33:20 GMT
I still hold on to the theory that John Coates is not the brightest and has been given a few hundred million and told to go away and run the football team in order to keep him away from, and prevent him meddling in, the families real business and money maker, Bet365. And just as I typed that, the Bet365 helo. buzzed right over my head. Just landed at the stadium. Fingers crossed they’ve arrived to clear out Neil’s office before the squad arrive back.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 27, 2023 22:34:11 GMT
Does it really matter, 6 year or 10 years? You’re totally ignoring the main point of my post, probably because you’ve got JC’s nut sack covering your eyes. Grow up FFS Deflect and distract. Commonly used technique.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 27, 2023 22:34:29 GMT
And whose fault is that? They've proved consistently that they're not fit to run the club. How much longer do we put up with the shit they're feeding us? It's been 6.5 years so far. Do we wait until they hit a decade? Maybe 15 years of mismanagement is acceptable? Or what about another 23 years in the wilderness? When is the cut off point? Or isn't there one and we'll all just continue to be good little Stokies and just be grateful that the club actually still exists (albeit in League Two). All fair points, people can continue to gripe but it won’t change. They would want an astronomical amount of money for the club and all its assets and I don’t see there being a willing buyer with deep enough pockets. Correct - we’re a niche club with very little wider appeal - Hughes took us closest to breaking the insular little provincial club model with the Stokealona period but they let Nzonzi go and didn’t replace him etc etc - so near but yet so far…..
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 27, 2023 22:35:19 GMT
Just landed at the stadium. Fingers crossed they’ve arrived to clear out Neil’s office before the squad arrive back. They should drop a turd in his pencil drawer…
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Post by rowbeartoe on Sept 27, 2023 22:35:26 GMT
And whose fault is that? They've proved consistently that they're not fit to run the club. How much longer do we put up with the shit they're feeding us? It's been 6.5 years so far. Do we wait until they hit a decade? Maybe 15 years of mismanagement is acceptable? Or what about another 23 years in the wilderness? When is the cut off point? Or isn't there one and we'll all just continue to be good little Stokies and just be grateful that the club actually still exists (albeit in League Two). All fair points, people can continue to gripe but it won’t change. They would want an astronomical amount of money for the club and all its assets and I don’t see there being a willing buyer with deep enough pockets. What makes it worse is that they've effectively made the club unsellable but are also happy to piss away fucking millions every year on a project that clearly isn't working and these people founded and run one of the most successful companies in the world. It's genuinely mind boggling. Even if she has no interest in the club surely Denise looks at the state of the situation and thinks what the fuck are we doing?
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Post by Boothen on Sept 27, 2023 22:35:31 GMT
I still hold on to the theory that John Coates is not the brightest and has been given a few hundred million and told to go away and run the football team in order to keep him away from, and prevent him meddling in, the families real business and money maker, Bet365. And just as I typed that, the Bet365 helo. buzzed right over my head. Just landed at the stadium. Must've been a hot-drop at the stadium then, because it's on it's way to Derby now.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 27, 2023 22:36:37 GMT
Just landed at the stadium. Must've been a hot-drop at the stadium then, because it's on it's way to Derby now. Yep, it's an East Midlands Helicopter that they use quite often. It must be stationed there.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 27, 2023 22:37:42 GMT
Just landed at the stadium. Must've been a hot-drop at the stadium then, because it's on it's way to Derby now. East Midlands airport
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 27, 2023 22:38:03 GMT
We seem to have a habit of replacing poor players with even worse ones.
The cycle is never ending.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 27, 2023 22:39:08 GMT
Must've been a hot-drop at the stadium then, because it's on it's way to Derby now. Yep, it's an East Midlands Helicopter that they use quite often. It must be stationed there. Ah yes - We can hear it in ST4 - it’s going “chop chop chop”
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Post by Gods on Sept 27, 2023 22:40:27 GMT
All fair points, people can continue to gripe but it won’t change. They would want an astronomical amount of money for the club and all its assets and I don’t see there being a willing buyer with deep enough pockets. Correct - we’re a niche club with very little wider appeal - Hughes took us closest to breaking the insular little provincial club model with the Stokealona period but they let Nzonzi go and didn’t replace him etc etc - so near but yet so far….. We were right there, then something slipped...
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 27, 2023 22:41:54 GMT
And whose fault is that? They've proved consistently that they're not fit to run the club. How much longer do we put up with the shit they're feeding us? It's been 6.5 years so far. Do we wait until they hit a decade? Maybe 15 years of mismanagement is acceptable? Or what about another 23 years in the wilderness? When is the cut off point? Or isn't there one and we'll all just continue to be good little Stokies and just be grateful that the club actually still exists (albeit in League Two). All fair points, people can continue to gripe but it won’t change. They would want an astronomical amount of money for the club and all its assets and I don’t see there being a willing buyer with deep enough pockets. And that's why, after 30+ years of attending home and away, I'm done with this fucking fetid prolapsed anus of a football club. I'll return as soon as they're gone.* *Even if we're taken over by a cabal of Russian sex-trafficking dog-rapists. Even those would be more acceptable than the current bunch of billionaire dickheads.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 27, 2023 22:43:56 GMT
All fair points, people can continue to gripe but it won’t change. They would want an astronomical amount of money for the club and all its assets and I don’t see there being a willing buyer with deep enough pockets. And that's why, after 30+ years of attending home and away, I'm done with this fucking fetid prolapsed anus of a football club. I'll return as soon as they're gone.* *Even if we're taken over by a cabal of Russian sex-trafficking dog-rapists. Even those would be more acceptable than the current bunch of billionaire dickheads. Could you point me in the direction of said Russians? I think I’d prefer to watch their dog activities than another game managed by AN.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 27, 2023 22:53:30 GMT
Correct - we’re a niche club with very little wider appeal - Hughes took us closest to breaking the insular little provincial club model with the Stokealona period but they let Nzonzi go and didn’t replace him etc etc - so near but yet so far….. We were right there, then something slipped... We were, and it felt so fucking good ……..
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Post by xnfourt on Sept 27, 2023 22:55:28 GMT
We need start again. A full clean out starting with the Coates family and there Blood money..
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 27, 2023 23:04:03 GMT
We have appointed 4 awful managers and one ok manger since sacking Hughes; this has been the key reason behind our demise.
The current manager may well guide us out of this division into the third tier, if he is given time.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 27, 2023 23:05:54 GMT
We need start again. A full clean out starting with the Coates family and there Blood money.. Sadly, without the Coates’ money we would already be playing league derbies with the Fail.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 27, 2023 23:09:26 GMT
MON was the only decent manager we’ve had since Sparky plus wank players Therefore, we’re toss Hmmm marginally best of a bad bunch but was dreadful to watch and devoid of plan b’s when things went pear shaped and ultimately failed pretty dismally But agree with the other points by and large !!! He had the worst financial situation out of the lot. 100% saved us when in free fall. And now we're back in free fall again.
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Post by spoton on Sept 27, 2023 23:23:48 GMT
Have we ran over a black cat, or got a gypsies curse. Every time we sweep the deck and try to start afresh it goes horribly wrong before we even get going. The last 5 years have to be the most shocking i can recall, and yet every season we seems to have some fresh impetus only for it to fizzle away and we revert to type. I genuinely thought we might have made a stab at the top 8 this season but in 8 games its been washed away. What is it? The owners? The manager? The players? The fans expectations? Something else? Each passing season we are further away than ever from promotion. Is it gonna be another 23 years before we are back cos I'll have to admit i may be a bit long in the tooth by then. Could not have said any better,I to are the wrong side of 60 and after having a season ticket for 40 year's I think I can have the right to say I've seen it all, when they got relegated i said then that if they don't go back up in the first 3 seasons then I probably won't see them go up in my lifetime I hope and pray I'm wrong but every year it's seems to be getting harder
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Post by spoton on Sept 27, 2023 23:33:18 GMT
And whose fault is that? They've proved consistently that they're not fit to run the club. How much longer do we put up with the shit they're feeding us? It's been 6.5 years so far. Do we wait until they hit a decade? Maybe 15 years of mismanagement is acceptable? Or what about another 23 years in the wilderness? When is the cut off point? Or isn't there one and we'll all just continue to be good little Stokies and just be grateful that the club actually still exists (albeit in League Two). All fair points, people can continue to gripe but it won’t change. They would want an astronomical amount of money for the club and all its assets and I don’t see there being a willing buyer with deep enough pockets. Interesting but I'll throw this in to the mix, maybe if they love the club so much and want what's best for Stoke they would sell it for a £1 or a very small amount, now that's being a true supporter
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Post by robstokie on Sept 27, 2023 23:39:16 GMT
We have appointed 4 awful managers and one ok manger since sacking Hughes; this has been the key reason behind our demise. The current manager may well guide us out of this division into the third tier, if he is given time. Would say 1 solid manager who was great at stabilizing but useless at pushing us on (MON) 1 not particularly convincing, although considering track records of before and after probably deserved to see out the season (Rowett) 2 absolute clusterfuck appointments (Lambert and Jones) with a third who is not far behind at all, with a couple more limp turgid collapses will be at least on par (Neil)
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 28, 2023 0:00:49 GMT
We have appointed 4 awful managers and one ok manger since sacking Hughes; this has been the key reason behind our demise. The current manager may well guide us out of this division into the third tier, if he is given time. Would say 1 solid manager who was great at stabilizing but useless at pushing us on (MON) 1 not particularly convincing, although considering track records of before and after probably deserved to see out the season (Rowett) 2 absolute clusterfuck appointments (Lambert and Jones) with a third who is not far behind at all, with a couple more limp turgid collapses will be at least on par (Neil) The worst thing they did with Rowett was giving him aii that money. If he had ÂŁ5m instead of ÂŁ 55m he might still be here just missing the play offs each season. Never had money and pissed away the lot.
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