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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 10:22:20 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2024 10:22:20 GMT
Hoever will have played in most of them but the impact of Wilmot on that is the frightening thing. Wilmot and Laurent should be the first two out of the door. Absolutely fucking useless. I'd like to see a full analysis of CB partnerships and clean sheets/points per game There’s one on the recent thread about them. Rose and McNally is the only option in town that works. Which is the obvious answer too but so many refuse to see it. Which is hilarious
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2024 10:23:45 GMT
Hoever will have played in most of them but the impact of Wilmot on that is the frightening thing. Wilmot and Laurent should be the first two out of the door. Absolutely fucking useless. Im with you as regards Wilmot,fucking hopeless footballer......Laurent ( and myself to a certain extent) thinks he's a far better,influencial footballer than he actually is. If Laurent played like his stature suggests he should then I’d be with you. But he plays like he’s 4 foot tall and 7 stone wet through and not the man mountain he is. Absolute fanny of a footballer.
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Post by kerouac on Apr 3, 2024 10:34:24 GMT
Im with you as regards Wilmot,fucking hopeless footballer......Laurent ( and myself to a certain extent) thinks he's a far better,influencial footballer than he actually is. If Laurent played like his stature suggests he should then I’d be with you. But he plays like he’s 4 foot tall and 7 stone wet through and not the man mountain he is. Absolute fanny of a footballer. Thats what im saying.....plus his heroic rallying calls to the crowd.Quite funny really.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 3, 2024 11:32:24 GMT
Just to remind everyone….he’s 22.
Still learning the game. He’s athletic, he seems intelligent and he’s a very decent ball player. We could do a lot worse.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 12:43:34 GMT
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Post by a on Apr 3, 2024 12:43:34 GMT
I'd like to see a full analysis of CB partnerships and clean sheets/points per game There’s one on the recent thread about them. Rose and McNally is the only option in town that works. Which is the obvious answer too but so many refuse to see it. Which is hilarious You’ve never said, why didn’t you say, or even better start a thread about it. You need to post more on here, you’re barely being heard.
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Post by jm on Apr 3, 2024 13:12:49 GMT
I generally like Hoever and think he's been fantastic for the last half dozen games. He has great technical ability so should improve further - I'd like him again next season (loan or perm)
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 3, 2024 14:49:55 GMT
Hoever is a weird player. He's a good footballer and an atrocious fullback - I've seen better park players. His positioning is terrible - he comes inside and stands a few yards in front of the centre backs leaving acres of space for the opposition winger/midfielder to exploit out wide and I'm sure opposition manager's have cottoned on and are exploiting this. He definitely adds something going forward but on balance it's a no from me.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 3, 2024 18:18:50 GMT
Its a definite no from me.
Tchamadeu, Gooch and Wilmot are all better options there.
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Post by lordb on Apr 3, 2024 20:28:16 GMT
Its a definite no from me. Tchamadeu, Gooch and Wilmot are all better options there. I think Hoever should play further forward, he's better near the opposition box
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 20:39:10 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 3, 2024 20:39:10 GMT
Its a definite no from me. Tchamadeu, Gooch and Wilmot are all better options there. I think Hoever should play further forward, he's better near the opposition box Yep. Right wing back. Be superb in a team geard up for that system.
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Post by lordb on Apr 3, 2024 20:40:34 GMT
I think Hoever should play further forward, he's better near the opposition box Yep. Right wing back. Be superb in a team geard up for that system. I was thinking in the front 3 in a 433
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 20:43:05 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 3, 2024 20:43:05 GMT
Yep. Right wing back. Be superb in a team geard up for that system. I was thinking in the front 3 in a 433 Yes. Said the same a few months ago. Just think he's quality but obviously with a few defensive frailties. Rather have him in the team than not.
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Hoever
Apr 4, 2024 5:58:50 GMT
Post by idle on Apr 4, 2024 5:58:50 GMT
Yep. Right wing back. Be superb in a team geard up for that system. I was thinking in the front 3 in a 433 Nah, he's not quick enough and not good enough at dribbling. He gets more space when playing RB/RWB than he'll get as a RW. See how little space Manhoef gets. Hoever would be perfect if we had two really good CBs who could take the defensive responsibilities.
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Post by stokie1993 on Apr 4, 2024 6:20:36 GMT
I was thinking in the front 3 in a 433 Nah, he's not quick enough and not good enough at dribbling. He gets more space when playing RB/RWB than he'll get as a RW. See how little space Manhoef gets. Hoever would be perfect if we had two really good CBs who could take the defensive responsibilities. Exactly this bottom point. He's the same mould as Trent who is obviously a better player. But he's only able to do the stuff he does because he's had the world's best centre back next to him for however long. His defensive frailties are covered by Virgil and we need better centre backs to allow Hoever to be more influential.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 4, 2024 7:35:55 GMT
If Hoever stayed as right back where does Junior fit in? Hoever’s wages can be better spent I think, either on another loan or to fund a signing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2024 7:39:00 GMT
TAA is generally still panned as a right back and there’s a clamour to get him in midfield especially now they have that young lad who looks good going forward and can actually defend too.
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Hoever
Apr 4, 2024 7:49:59 GMT
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 4, 2024 7:49:59 GMT
Its no wonder spec savers are thriving anyone who believes if hoover doesnt come back we will get better or have better now defiantly needs the 2 for one offer
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Hoever
Apr 4, 2024 8:04:45 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Apr 4, 2024 8:04:45 GMT
TAA is generally still panned as a right back and there’s a clamour to get him in midfield especially now they have that young lad who looks good going forward and can actually defend too. TAA is one of the most under-rated players in the world. Hes won absolutely everything, had stats to match the best wingers/strikers in the league and held his own at RB. The difference is he had 2 quality CBs behind him and a holding midfielder in Fabiniho and Henderson who would hold position and had the legs to cover him if needed. No matter how good that Bradley is, if he has a 1/4 of Trents career he will be happy. Hoever will be a good player for someone. Whether it's us I'd doubt it unless we get CBs and a holding midfielder capable of covering.
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Hoever
Apr 4, 2024 8:07:06 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2024 8:07:06 GMT
TAA is generally still panned as a right back and there’s a clamour to get him in midfield especially now they have that young lad who looks good going forward and can actually defend too. TAA is one of the most under-rated players in the world. Hes won absolutely everything, had stats to match the best wingers/strikers in the league and held his own at RB. The difference is he had 2 quality CBs behind him and a holding midfielder in Fabiniho and Henderson who would hold position and had the legs to cover him if needed. No matter how good that Bradley is, if he has a 1/4 of Trents career he will be happy. Hoever will be a good player for someone. Whether it's us I'd doubt it unless we get CBs and a holding midfielder capable of covering. Cracking footballer, awful right back. Again he just can’t defend and has zero discipline.
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Hoever
Apr 4, 2024 8:16:06 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Apr 4, 2024 8:16:06 GMT
TAA is one of the most under-rated players in the world. Hes won absolutely everything, had stats to match the best wingers/strikers in the league and held his own at RB. The difference is he had 2 quality CBs behind him and a holding midfielder in Fabiniho and Henderson who would hold position and had the legs to cover him if needed. No matter how good that Bradley is, if he has a 1/4 of Trents career he will be happy. Hoever will be a good player for someone. Whether it's us I'd doubt it unless we get CBs and a holding midfielder capable of covering. Cracking footballer, awful right back. Again he just can’t defend and has zero discipline. No he's an all time great RB. Hes an attacking RB so it depends how you like your cup of tea. But if he was an awful RB he wouldnt have 10 major trophies? 50 Premier league Assists and 18 goals. I've had good word hes off to Real Madrid.
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Hoever
Apr 4, 2024 8:16:59 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 4, 2024 8:16:59 GMT
My god you lot are berserk….he’s just scored two n there’s now a clamour for him to play right side of a front 3….n as for Trent he’s played as a midfielder which is probably about as far forward as he plays at wingback…just further in field, Hoever would have a bad game n the same people who post would be complaining about round pegs in square holes…fucking madness, I’d dare say wolves might have summat say about that as he’s actually their player aswell as I’d presume they’d like him at a club who’d play him in his correct position…he’s not our player to fuck about with basically🤷🏼🔴⚪️
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Hoever
Apr 4, 2024 8:17:03 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2024 8:17:03 GMT
Cracking footballer, awful right back. Again he just can’t defend and has zero discipline. No he's an all time great RB. Hes an attacking RB so it depends how you like your cup of tea. But if he was an awful RB he wouldnt have 10 major trophies? 50 Premier league Assists and 18 goals. I've had good word hes off to Real Madrid. 🤣 He will do well to get in the England squad as there at least 3 better right backs than him.
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Hoever
Apr 4, 2024 8:31:58 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 4, 2024 8:31:58 GMT
Yep. Right wing back. Be superb in a team geard up for that system. I was thinking in the front 3 in a 433 I think this would be interesting. It's been hard watching him defensively this year and he's had zero confidence. But he's one of the best footballers we've got (one of very few who have any skill whatsoever) and he's still incredibly young. I'd be tempted to see if we can get him for another year in the summer and play him higher up the field.
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Hoever
Apr 4, 2024 9:33:56 GMT
Post by idle on Apr 4, 2024 9:33:56 GMT
I was thinking in the front 3 in a 433 I think this would be interesting. It's been hard watching him defensively this year and he's had zero confidence. But he's one of the best footballers we've got (one of very few who have any skill whatsoever) and he's still incredibly young. I'd be tempted to see if we can get him for another year in the summer and play him higher up the field. To repeat myself, he's not quick enough and not good enough at dribbling to be playing RW. He gets more space when playing RB/RWB than he'll get further forward. See how little space Manhoef gets, Hoever wouldn't stand a chance.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 4, 2024 9:36:36 GMT
I think this would be interesting. It's been hard watching him defensively this year and he's had zero confidence. But he's one of the best footballers we've got (one of very few who have any skill whatsoever) and he's still incredibly young. I'd be tempted to see if we can get him for another year in the summer and play him higher up the field. To repeat myself, he's not quick enough and not good enough at dribbling to be playing RW. He gets more space when playing RB/RWB than he'll get further forward. See how little space Manhoef gets, Hoever wouldn't stand a chance. You say that but he's got the better of full backs on occasions and has a fantastic cross when he's confident. I don't know if it's the answer but just an option. No idea why Manhoef isn't getting more time tbh he's looked decent when I've seen him.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 4, 2024 9:39:24 GMT
TAA is one of the most under-rated players in the world. Hes won absolutely everything, had stats to match the best wingers/strikers in the league and held his own at RB. The difference is he had 2 quality CBs behind him and a holding midfielder in Fabiniho and Henderson who would hold position and had the legs to cover him if needed. No matter how good that Bradley is, if he has a 1/4 of Trents career he will be happy. Hoever will be a good player for someone. Whether it's us I'd doubt it unless we get CBs and a holding midfielder capable of covering. Cracking footballer, awful right back. Again he just can’t defend and has zero discipline. his defending in one on one situations is actually really good. It's the poor decision making with the ball that leaves him out of position in the next phase that's his biggest issue, which I agree is the discipline side of it.......
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Hoever
Apr 4, 2024 9:48:52 GMT
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Post by thestokielad on Apr 4, 2024 9:48:52 GMT
I'd take him on loan again but as cover we need someone better defensively in the starting line up. He's excellent going forward but can't defend
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Post by apb1 on Apr 4, 2024 10:06:39 GMT
I don't think he'd work as a wide forward. His strength is ghosting forward, making an extra man for defences to deal with. He's the best bet for the run-in, even if Junior gets fit he should be used sparingly. Stability in the back four plus Iversen will be key I think. Hopefully Stevens can also stay fit for the last 6, or at least start 5 of them (rest for midweek v Swansea). In a side almost entirely devoid of goal threat, Hoever chipping in with 1 or 2 more might make all the difference. I'd also keep Baker starting for the same reason - he might just do a key set piece or score from range).
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Post by idle on Apr 4, 2024 10:15:07 GMT
To repeat myself, he's not quick enough and not good enough at dribbling to be playing RW. He gets more space when playing RB/RWB than he'll get further forward. See how little space Manhoef gets, Hoever wouldn't stand a chance. You say that but he's got the better of full backs on occasions and has a fantastic cross when he's confident. I don't know if it's the answer but just an option. No idea why Manhoef isn't getting more time tbh he's looked decent when I've seen him. Yes, that's because he is an extra man for the FBs to deal with (as apb1 says). He's not tricky, he just picks a side and burst forward which can work sometimes but not consistently unless we have another player in the mix. The reason Manhoef isn't picked is because of the cautious/practical setup we've had against decent opposition lately. He always seem to come on when we need to score or we set up for a more attacking mentality. I think he'll start against Swansea, SheffWed, and Plymouth.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 4, 2024 10:21:16 GMT
Yep. Right wing back. Be superb in a team geard up for that system. I was thinking in the front 3 in a 433 His strength though is to use his speed and control as an overlapping full back. He is not an out and out winger or wide forward. His role is just fine as long as he has a player in front of him who links well with him. His best games are as a full back and he has the athleticism to get back just needs to remember to get back on the goal side. It will come with experience. He would be a great acquisition in the summer.
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