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Hoever
Apr 2, 2024 15:43:43 GMT
Post by bhp on Apr 2, 2024 15:43:43 GMT
I refuse to believe Wolves paid £9m.
That could rise to £13.5m.
With a 15% sell on clause. Jesus wept.
Started a few games for Wolves in the PL when he was 18/19, mainly as a RB / RWB in a 5.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 2, 2024 16:02:14 GMT
Yep, and for balance I do also recognize that where Hoever won us the game yesterday, he also lost us the Coventry match. He is Marmite - most of the time you would say he's useless - then has a few games where he looks top drawer either as RCB or marauding full back. There are types of opposition and our own tactical setups that when they click, Hoever is superb. Get one of those misaligned, and he's dogshit. As I've said elsewhere his reaction to his mistake against Coventry has shown great character. He was visibly shaken by that and received dog's abuse from the crowd until and when he was substituted. Schumacher even said after the game that he would need his confidence rebuilding and some tlc. He could easily have hidden on the bench since then but hasn't. He missed one game I think then was back in the next home game and has played his best football of the season since and scored two goals. He learned from his mistake and no longer dallies on the ball. Of course there are areas he can improve but he is only 22 and I have a sneaky feeling he may move here in the summer unless Wolves are going to give him regular playing time. I agree, there's definitely been a marked improvement in his game since the Coventry debacle. It's a credit not just to his attitude, but to the coaching staff as well for not freezing him out and instead pointing out and working on his errors. I don't think he'll get much game time at Wolves as Semedo is a shoe-in for his position, and Kilman at RCB. If we bought him, he'd cost in and around the £3M mark but with Junior also in that position, it's a lot of money to pay when there are other areas of the team (particularly LB/LWB) that needs addressing more urgently.
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Hoever
Apr 2, 2024 16:05:21 GMT
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Post by march4 on Apr 2, 2024 16:05:21 GMT
There’s a good player in there somewhere.
Well worth persevering with.
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Post by lordb on Apr 2, 2024 16:13:40 GMT
Given his wages would assume he will stay at Wolves and be loaned out again and again
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Hoever
Apr 2, 2024 16:14:35 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 2, 2024 16:14:35 GMT
As I've said elsewhere his reaction to his mistake against Coventry has shown great character. He was visibly shaken by that and received dog's abuse from the crowd until and when he was substituted. Schumacher even said after the game that he would need his confidence rebuilding and some tlc. He could easily have hidden on the bench since then but hasn't. He missed one game I think then was back in the next home game and has played his best football of the season since and scored two goals. He learned from his mistake and no longer dallies on the ball. Of course there are areas he can improve but he is only 22 and I have a sneaky feeling he may move here in the summer unless Wolves are going to give him regular playing time. I agree, there's definitely been a marked improvement in his game since the Coventry debacle. It's a credit not just to his attitude, but to the coaching staff as well for not freezing him out and instead pointing out and working on his errors. I don't think he'll get much game time at Wolves as Semedo is a shoe-in for his position, and Kilman at RCB. If we bought him, he'd cost in and around the £3M mark but with Junior also in that position, it's a lot of money to pay when there are other areas of the team (particularly LB/LWB) that needs addressing more urgently. Huge goal costing error apart, and you can't ignore it, he otherwise had a good game v Coventry
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Apr 2, 2024 16:32:13 GMT
I like Hoever and would have him back next season. His defensive work is improving over time. His positioning at times is still cack but he often has the pace to get back and cover his mistakes. Hes comfortable on the ball and can put a cross in and score goals. The problem here on the Oatcake is that most fans only watch Premier League footie and expect us to have a re-incarnation of Trent Alexander Arnold playing for a mid-table Championship club. Enda Stevens is a bog standard full-back at this level - I prefer watching Hoever over standard Champ level fullbacks any day of the week. Tchamadue as 1st choice next season with Hoever as an option for RWB, RB, LWB and Right Winger would be a smart move. This was my view on him last season but he's not improved at all. I don't think he's able to think for himself whilst out on the pitch. With Gooch as a back up to Junior, I can't see how we can justify bringing Hoever back given he hasn't improved any aspect of his game since this time last year.
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Hoever
Apr 2, 2024 16:52:39 GMT
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Post by datguy on Apr 2, 2024 16:52:39 GMT
I find it hard not to like the lad.
But he’s nowhere near good enough. His heights (ie scoring belters) are met with much lower lows (ie awful awful Coventry mistake)
Not one to keep for me. Unfortunately.
Maybe if he was a winger, but not convinced he’s good enough to do that.
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Hoever
Apr 2, 2024 16:53:28 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2024 16:53:28 GMT
I refuse to believe Wolves paid £9m. That could rise to £13.5m. With a 15% sell on clause. Jesus wept. Started a few games for Wolves in the PL when he was 18/19, mainly as a RB / RWB in a 5. He was a very promising player at Liverpool both at centre half and full back. Probably something to do with the professionalism of how these clubs nurture their players. I don’t recall any complaints when Wolves paid 9 million plus add ins at the time.
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Hoever
Apr 2, 2024 16:55:57 GMT
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Post by datguy on Apr 2, 2024 16:55:57 GMT
No complaints from Wolves though. We must’ve played the lad in 95% of games since he’s been here. And he’s given us some awful, awful mistakes.
We’ve already persevered and it’s still same old, same old defensively. Not good enough, wouldn’t want the lad in League One.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 7:33:30 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 3, 2024 7:33:30 GMT
What a goal though.
Technically perfect finish.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 8:11:07 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2024 8:11:07 GMT
You can tell Hoever’s scored a couple. A season of tripe is forgotten. Like goldfish. What did you say on Twitter about Rose and McNally, Mr Parody? I don’t want either here next season ideally? Rose and McNally’s record is excellent btw. So if you don’t agree with that you need to get your eyes tested.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 8:18:03 GMT
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Post by st3mark on Apr 3, 2024 8:18:03 GMT
Get him away from the defensive side of the game. All of his qualities are up the top end.
He's too shite at defending and passing to be wing back or fullback.
Get him inside forward or as a winger and let him use his pace/crossing/shooting/dribbling. Its the only way to save his career in my opinion.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 8:19:32 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 3, 2024 8:19:32 GMT
His form has definitely improved in the last few weeks but i think he’s a liability as a defender,going forward is a different matter though.I thought he was coming off in the 1st half on Monday after signaling to the bench a couple of times but thankfully now he ran it off
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 8:20:11 GMT
Post by moon on Apr 3, 2024 8:20:11 GMT
I refuse to believe Wolves paid £9m. That could rise to £13.5m. With a 15% sell on clause. Jesus wept. Started a few games for Wolves in the PL when he was 18/19, mainly as a RB / RWB in a 5. It's insane, but slightly less insane than the £18m we paid for Wimmer.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 8:21:33 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 3, 2024 8:21:33 GMT
On the McNally and Rose front, my worry is their physicality and how at times they get bullied. You will get to see this on Saturday, when Bartley & Kippre bully our forward, whoever starts..
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 3, 2024 8:32:45 GMT
What a goal though. Technically perfect finish. He just passed it into the top corner, didn't over hit it like many would. It was cracking goal with the composure of a top Striker, it was a bit Salahesque. Maybe he's in the wrong position.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2024 8:33:29 GMT
On the McNally and Rose front, my worry is their physicality and how at times they get bullied. You will get to see this on Saturday, when Bartley & Kippre bully our forward, whoever starts.. They have a lot of flaws but somehow work together. For now that’s fine. But can’t happen beyond this season. The only defender worth keeping is Junior.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 8:35:37 GMT
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Post by LphPotter on Apr 3, 2024 8:35:37 GMT
What did you say on Twitter about Rose and McNally, Mr Parody? I don’t want either here next season ideally? Rose and McNally’s record is excellent btw. So if you don’t agree with that you need to get your eyes tested. Their record is good but the way they play there’s no way that can last, we need much better.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 8:37:44 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Apr 3, 2024 8:37:44 GMT
On the McNally and Rose front, my worry is their physicality and how at times they get bullied. You will get to see this on Saturday, when Bartley & Kippre bully our forward, whoever starts.. I don't get the love in for Mcnally at all. He loses concentration just as often as Hoever and when you watch highlights you realise how many mistakes he makes which lead to goals. He made a mistake on Saturday for their goal but I could excuse him that one because no midfielder was closing down. He then made two others which could have lead to goals by allowing the ball to run before realising a player had got in behind him. He was at fault for Norwich's first because he was five yards behind the defensive line. Rose is far superior but I think we can get better than Mcnally who'll be 25 next season so should be past the sort of mistakes he is making at the moment.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 8:50:41 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2024 8:50:41 GMT
I don’t want either here next season ideally? Rose and McNally’s record is excellent btw. So if you don’t agree with that you need to get your eyes tested. Their record is good but the way they play there’s no way that can last, we need much better. 9 clean sheets from 18 kind of suggests it can. But I don’t want to take that risk past this season.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 9:14:12 GMT
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Post by brizzlestokie on Apr 3, 2024 9:14:12 GMT
Hoever could be great at a high level championship side who dominate the ball. Much less so for a bit of a shite championship side (ie us currently).
So, could be worth having next season if we improve considerably in other departments. Given the past several years, I wouldn’t bank on that happening. 😅
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 9:24:18 GMT
Post by jm on Apr 3, 2024 9:24:18 GMT
On the McNally and Rose front, my worry is their physicality and how at times they get bullied. You will get to see this on Saturday, when Bartley & Kippre bully our forward, whoever starts.. They have a lot of flaws but somehow work together. For now that’s fine. But can’t happen beyond this season. The only defender worth keeping is Junior. Junior is nowhere near championship standard yet. He was very poor prior to injury.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 9:28:40 GMT
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Post by kerouac on Apr 3, 2024 9:28:40 GMT
Hoever is a decent footballer,he’s too cool for school obviously,but at least possesses some football ability and has a sweet left foot and contributes goals.He also needs to wake the fuck up a lot of the time but he’s improving game by game and should be kept.Im not convinced he’s a full back.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 9:29:08 GMT
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Post by LphPotter on Apr 3, 2024 9:29:08 GMT
Their record is good but the way they play there’s no way that can last, we need much better. 9 clean sheets from 18 kind of suggests it can. But I don’t want to take that risk past this season. Some of their positional sense on Monday was unbelievably bad, the one with about 10 minutes to go which McNally got across to block, Rose just steps away from his man and leaves him completely free and a massive gap to play the pass through. He did the same against Birmingham as well.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 9:33:33 GMT
Post by apb1 on Apr 3, 2024 9:33:33 GMT
Technically he's adept, possibly more so than anyone except Burger and Bae. Football brain wise he's extremely erratic.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 9:34:22 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2024 9:34:22 GMT
They have a lot of flaws but somehow work together. For now that’s fine. But can’t happen beyond this season. The only defender worth keeping is Junior. Junior is nowhere near championship standard yet. He was very poor prior to injury. Had a few bad games but generally knows where to stand which is upgrade on Hoever.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 9:38:34 GMT
Post by apb1 on Apr 3, 2024 9:38:34 GMT
Junior is nowhere near championship standard yet. He was very poor prior to injury. Had a few bad games but generally knows where to stand which is upgrade on Hoever. He seems unsure where to run, and when to stop running though. Not counting on him as any kind of upgrade in the remaining games. Useful to have an extra body and good that he's fit though. We are just crap across the park. Hoever not the worst, or even the most inconsistent. Laurent was invisible on Monday. I wonder how many of the clean sheet games Hoever played in. EDIT - had a quick look and he started our last 6 clean sheet games.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 9:40:51 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2024 9:40:51 GMT
Had a few bad games but generally knows where to stand which is upgrade on Hoever. He seems unsure where to run, and when to stop running though. Not counting on him as any kind of upgrade in the remaining games. Useful to have an extra body and good that he's fit though. We are just crap across the park. Hoever not the worst, or even the most inconsistent. Laurent was invisible on Monday. I wonder how many of the clean sheet games Hoever played in. Hoever will have played in most of them but the impact of Wilmot on that is the frightening thing. Wilmot and Laurent should be the first two out of the door. Absolutely fucking useless.
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 9:46:33 GMT
Post by femark on Apr 3, 2024 9:46:33 GMT
He seems unsure where to run, and when to stop running though. Not counting on him as any kind of upgrade in the remaining games. Useful to have an extra body and good that he's fit though. We are just crap across the park. Hoever not the worst, or even the most inconsistent. Laurent was invisible on Monday. I wonder how many of the clean sheet games Hoever played in. Hoever will have played in most of them but the impact of Wilmot on that is the frightening thing. Wilmot and Laurent should be the first two out of the door. Absolutely fucking useless. I'd like to see a full analysis of CB partnerships and clean sheets/points per game
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Hoever
Apr 3, 2024 10:21:20 GMT
Post by kerouac on Apr 3, 2024 10:21:20 GMT
He seems unsure where to run, and when to stop running though. Not counting on him as any kind of upgrade in the remaining games. Useful to have an extra body and good that he's fit though. We are just crap across the park. Hoever not the worst, or even the most inconsistent. Laurent was invisible on Monday. I wonder how many of the clean sheet games Hoever played in. Hoever will have played in most of them but the impact of Wilmot on that is the frightening thing. Wilmot and Laurent should be the first two out of the door. Absolutely fucking useless. Im with you as regards Wilmot,fucking hopeless footballer......Laurent ( and myself to a certain extent) thinks he's a far better,influencial footballer than he actually is.
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