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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 16, 2023 20:39:32 GMT
Well any early season optimism has pretty much completely evaporated.
After Blackburn, Huddersfield is perhaps my closest fixture. Am I going on Wednesday? No. I simply can’t be bothered.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 16, 2023 20:54:36 GMT
I'll bite, in what way badly coached? - The movement of players - the lack of energy - the lack of an apparent gameplan - the insistence on playing it around the back when it’s clearly not working - square pegs in round holes - Fear in and around the box I actually like Neil believe it or not he just seems to be out thought by opposition managers. I think the passing around the back is down to movement tbh (as you say) and not by choice, that and lack of ability, Pearson seems to be showing less for the ball this season. I don't think Neil wants it that way and I hope he sorts it out asap, it would make a big difference. Square pegs seems a little unfair tbh, he's trying to find out what works best, there's going to be some moving around of the players.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 16, 2023 20:58:08 GMT
Why do we have to have heard of them? Selling Tymon was fine, Gooch played just as well as, if not better, than Tymon would have. Wesley has been okay, if he turns out to be second choice, which was the plan, he'll be ample back up until Jan. Gooch is a Championship plodder. Wesley is absolutely woeful. Tymon is a natural left footed back or wing back that could produce a cross. Think he will thrive in the right team. Only Vidal of course has produced anything so far out of the new signings. We ought to persevere with Hoever in ny opinion. Quality that needs nurturing. A champ plodder that's looked good in the games he's played so far, least of our worries. Tymon has been pretty poor for some time, we're better off with the cash. I don't mind However but he hasn't been great and that talent would be getting nurtured for someone else, I'd rather we get results than persevere with him until he may hit some form, he should be playing his way into the side like everyone else.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 16, 2023 20:59:55 GMT
I'll bite, in what way badly coached? He may mean the players who have been here a while seem to have become poorer at executing basic skills required to be a footballer, and that collectively the 11 players on the pitch rarely seem to interact with their teammates in coherent effective way, that suggests they have been practicing with each other. I think we kept too many of the players that were already here but I can understand it would have been an even bigger ask to make an entire new squad, I don't hink they've got worse though, they weren't very good to begin with.
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 16, 2023 21:03:23 GMT
Most successful Teams have an ever present core of 7-9 players barring injuries suspensions etc. We haven’t had a settled side for many years. It is a complete lottery who will be our first 11. The thing that makes me almost cry is that AN favourites are probably our worst performers Laurent, Campbell and now Wesley. It’s an absolute shit show. Our best scoring proposition is more than likely another sick note. I dont know when this torturous journey will end. You suggest Wesley is a favourite but I don't think he is a fave, he's getting games due to injury and easing in of Mmaee, once he's back I think Wesley will be back on the bench.
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 16, 2023 21:06:03 GMT
Most successful Teams have an ever present core of 7-9 players barring injuries suspensions etc. We haven’t had a settled side for many years. It is a complete lottery who will be our first 11. The thing that makes me almost cry is that AN favourites are probably our worst performers Laurent, Campbell and now Wesley. It’s an absolute shit show. Our best scoring proposition is more than likely another sick note. I dont know when this torturous journey will end. You suggest Wesley is a favourite but I don't think he is a fave, he's getting games due to injury and easing in of Mmaee, once he's back I think Wesley will be back on the bench. I think he will get regular game time even when our preferred Striker is back. He can’t help but tinker unfortunately. He suits AN’s un-dynamic approach.
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Post by palerider on Sept 16, 2023 21:07:36 GMT
Pre season optimism has evaporated like a fart in the breeze,
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 16, 2023 21:10:15 GMT
Pre season optimism has evaporated like a fart in the breeze, A fart in a hurricane 😂
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Post by onepara on Sept 16, 2023 21:15:48 GMT
These new players are supposed to have been scouted, & are out of Dublin's little black book. Ideal for what we need. They look raw at best, the game by-passes them, & most don't fill me with hope, to say the least. It's going to be a long season.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 16, 2023 21:17:20 GMT
Gooch is a Championship plodder. Wesley is absolutely woeful. Tymon is a natural left footed back or wing back that could produce a cross. Think he will thrive in the right team. Only Vidal of course has produced anything so far out of the new signings. We ought to persevere with Hoever in ny opinion. Quality that needs nurturing. A champ plodder that's looked good in the games he's played so far, least of our worries. Tymon has been pretty poor for some time, we're better off with the cash. I don't mind However but he hasn't been great and that talent would be getting nurtured for someone else, I'd rather we get results than persevere with him until he may hit some form, he should be playing his way into the side like everyone else. Hoever is a massive talent who has done goals and assists in his dozen games or so. Gooch will prove out what he is ... with all due respect. Good squad player. Be interesting out of the 16(?) new signings who become SCFC heroes.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 16, 2023 21:48:43 GMT
- The movement of players - the lack of energy - the lack of an apparent gameplan - the insistence on playing it around the back when it’s clearly not working - square pegs in round holes - Fear in and around the box I actually like Neil believe it or not he just seems to be out thought by opposition managers. I think the passing around the back is down to movement tbh (as you say) and not by choice, that and lack of ability, Pearson seems to be showing less for the ball this season. I don't think Neil wants it that way and I hope he sorts it out asap, it would make a big difference. Square pegs seems a little unfair tbh, he's trying to find out what works best, there's going to be some moving around of the players. Fair point but some of the positioning selection looked obvious. The RB situation being one. Why not start Junior rather than play Leris who looked totally out of his depth in a role that he just didn’t look comfortable in or why not play Bae or Johnson in AM rather than wide left. It feels like Laurent is being shoehorned into the side in a midfield 3 which lacks creativity and can’t move the ball forward with any dynamism.
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Post by Gods on Sept 16, 2023 22:20:18 GMT
These new players are supposed to have been scouted, & are out of Dublin's little black book. Ideal for what we need. They look raw at best, the game by-passes them, & most don't fill me with hope, to say the least. It's going to be a long season. I think that a firm but fair analysis of many of the new signings. I do hope Jared Dublin does not prove to be our biggest mistake. He looks like one of those Church of Scientology nut cases to me. No one is quite formally admitting it yet, but you just kind of know we have screwed up the summer transfer business.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 16, 2023 22:25:36 GMT
I think the passing around the back is down to movement tbh (as you say) and not by choice, that and lack of ability, Pearson seems to be showing less for the ball this season. I don't think Neil wants it that way and I hope he sorts it out asap, it would make a big difference. Square pegs seems a little unfair tbh, he's trying to find out what works best, there's going to be some moving around of the players. Fair point but some of the positioning selection looked obvious. The RB situation being one. Why not start Junior rather than play Leris who looked totally out of his depth in a role that he just didn’t look comfortable in or why not play Bae or Johnson in AM rather than wide left. It feels like Laurent is being shoehorned into the side in a midfield 3 which lacks creativity and can’t move the ball forward with any dynamism. Leris has played the position regularly before so it shouldn't have been such a risk and, I'm guessing, that he wanted to bring Jr in slowly rather than chuck him straight into a tough away game. I agree with you about Bae but I think AN would prefer a more solid less risky midfield, I know I know it aint really working, rather than have one in there that is an out and out AM which is why I think he liked Smallbone. Again, I agree about Laurent and I hope he gives it up soon as its hurting the side, take Laurent out and move to a more 4-2-3-1 formation and I think we'd have some success even with our very limited defence. I can't see it happening though going off his interview after the game, although I think we were just as good over 80 mins I don't think either side played particularly well and there is a lot of room for improvement. I'm not panicking just yet though as its still early days for a very new team.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 16, 2023 22:27:49 GMT
A champ plodder that's looked good in the games he's played so far, least of our worries. Tymon has been pretty poor for some time, we're better off with the cash. I don't mind However but he hasn't been great and that talent would be getting nurtured for someone else, I'd rather we get results than persevere with him until he may hit some form, he should be playing his way into the side like everyone else. Hoever is a massive talent who has done goals and assists in his dozen games or so. Gooch will prove out what he is ... with all due respect. Good squad player. Be interesting out of the 16(?) new signings who become SCFC heroes. It's Gooch's position to lose for me. I don't disagree that Hoever could become a really good player but he still has a lot to learn and a solid player wouldn't be such a bad thing at the moment given all the changes that have been going on.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 16, 2023 22:28:58 GMT
You suggest Wesley is a favourite but I don't think he is a fave, he's getting games due to injury and easing in of Mmaee, once he's back I think Wesley will be back on the bench. I think he will get regular game time even when our preferred Striker is back. He can’t help but tinker unfortunately. He suits AN’s un-dynamic approach. A lot of it will depend on how Mmaee is performing I would have thought, hopefully he comes back having seen what it takes to do well in this league.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 17, 2023 7:35:48 GMT
It isn’t worse than last season at all. It’s exactly what everybody should have expected. We’ve signed a load of unknown players , some are good , some aren’t. I believe we will come good. stop talking sense its not allowed on here! there’s absolutely no sense been spoken here
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Post by robin1302 on Sept 17, 2023 10:11:54 GMT
It isn’t worse than last season at all. It’s exactly what everybody should have expected. We’ve signed a load of unknown players , some are good , some aren’t. I believe we will come good. Is 1 goal in 5 games exactly what we should have expected? Wish you could have said this beforehand so I could have saved some money.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2023 10:32:05 GMT
Well any early season optimism has pretty much completely evaporated. After Blackburn, Huddersfield is perhaps my closest fixture. Am I going on Wednesday? No. I simply can’t be bothered. All the good work the club has done off the pitch will soon be long forgotten.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 17, 2023 11:44:21 GMT
The best thing about yesterday's game was hands down the awesome Stokies who traveled and showed more passion than any player in the squad. Shoutout to Travers, Gooch, and Burger for a solid game, and Laurent stepping up from his previous matches. Pearson did alright, picking up his mandatory yellow card. We need someone like Charlie Adam, someone who's direct and ready to fight with all they've got. Let's see where we stand in two months and figure out if this team has finally clicked or if it's just another shit chapter in our disappointing last six seasons.
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 17, 2023 12:23:28 GMT
The best thing about yesterday's game was hands down the awesome Stokies who traveled and showed more passion than any player in the squad. Shoutout to Travers, Gooch, and Burger for a solid game, and Laurent stepping up from his previous matches. Pearson did alright, picking up his mandatory yellow card. We need someone like Charlie Adam, someone who's direct and ready to fight with all they've got. Let's see where we stand in two months and figure out if this team has finally clicked or if it's just another shit chapter in our disappointing last six seasons. You're seriously of the opinion that Laurent's performance yesterday represents a 'stepping up' from his previous showings? Christ on a stairlift.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 17, 2023 12:43:34 GMT
Run out of lilettes have we ladies…..?
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 17, 2023 13:46:14 GMT
We always seem to be waiting for something to change or happen that will theoretically improve our performances. Injury comebacks, Gelling, Divine intervention etc. To me it sounds like the MO of a Walter Mitty Type character employed by an ineffectual organisation. I hope for Stokes sake all of the promises of future improvements actually convert into the real deal. I’m just curious as to what our full potential looks like? Is it sufficient for a top 6 finish? The jury have been out forever it seems.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 17, 2023 13:47:54 GMT
It most definitely isn't worse than last season. We are 6 points better off from the corresponding fixtures.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 17, 2023 13:50:29 GMT
These new players are supposed to have been scouted, & are out of Dublin's little black book. Ideal for what we need. They look raw at best, the game by-passes them, & most don't fill me with hope, to say the least. It's going to be a long season. I think that a firm but fair analysis of many of the new signings. I do hope Jared Dublin does not prove to be our biggest mistake. He looks like one of those Church of Scientology nut cases to me. No one is quite formally admitting it yet, but you just kind of know we have screwed up the summer transfer business. Everything would look much better if we’d got a decent CF in the Summer and I don’t think it was either for the lack of trying or anything much you could point a finger at Dublin for I suspect most of his recommendations were those with an eye on the future.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 17, 2023 14:48:58 GMT
We ain't scoring enough which puts us under pressure.
How far is Tezgal from been fit again, he may or may not be the answer to our scoring problems, but he can't be any worse than the ones we have tried up front this season.
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Post by independent on Sept 17, 2023 15:17:36 GMT
It most definitely isn't worse than last season. We are 6 points better off from the corresponding fixtures. reminds me of a drowning man surrounded by straws.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 17, 2023 15:24:01 GMT
We ain't scoring enough which puts us under pressure. How far is Tezgal from been fit again, he may or may not be the answer to our scoring problems, but he can't be any worse than the ones we have tried up front this season. Videgal and to a lesser extent Mmaee are the answer so not surprising we've lost 4 in a row.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2023 15:28:30 GMT
fbref.com/en/squads/17892952/Stoke-City-StatsInteresting looking at how the shots have been shared out. Dominated by Vidigal and Campbell as you'd expect. But Wesley is offering nothing. He's mustered 2 shots so far And has less XG than Pearson
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Post by Gods on Sept 17, 2023 15:41:36 GMT
It most definitely isn't worse than last season. We are 6 points better off from the corresponding fixtures. I am not sure the 'corresponding fixtures' have anything to do with it. We don't have a 'fixed annual result' against anyone!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 17, 2023 16:00:55 GMT
We ain't scoring enough which puts us under pressure. How far is Tezgal from been fit again, he may or may not be the answer to our scoring problems, but he can't be any worse than the ones we have tried up front this season. I hope he is fit soon , the good thing about him is that he seems to have a football brain and awareness of what is around him , so much to learn of course but an option to try and make the three up front work as a unit
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