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Post by leicspotter on Sept 13, 2023 17:25:26 GMT
On line abuse / bullying is abhorrent...not sure how you stop it though...
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 13, 2023 17:28:26 GMT
I did feel a bit sorry for him last night BUT he could've left Man United for West Ham in the summer to play regular football but he turned it down because he wouldn't get a substantial loyalty bonus. So with that in mind, he's only got himself to blame. So it’s fine to ridicule/slaughter the lad on social media and in general because he decided to stay at Manchester United and not sign for West Ham for his own reasons Seriously? I'm not saying that, I'm saying he chose money over playing football which doesn't particularly go down well with most fans. He's lucky Man United are having an injury crises, if they weren't he'd be 5th choice. I don't condone abuse of anyone and don't take part in any of it, I'm not even on Twitter X bullshit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 13, 2023 17:31:45 GMT
So you’ve never abused a footballer then? Ok What are you on about There’s a difference between a one off abuse at the match than a sustained attack from all angles day after day week after week on the same person I feel sad for you that you really can’t see the difference What you are talking about is the scrutiny a player has when they join a top flight club. It’s one of the hurdles they have to jump over. Always has been and probably always will be.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2023 17:34:20 GMT
I don't agree with any online abuse, even for Man U players! However I think some points on here are way over the top, I am sure Maguire has enough experience and support to ride some abuse through social media? He is "out there" and has been for some time, I also think a multi million pound lifestyle softens the blow somewhat when some bellends who he does not know or care about have a pop on Twitter? The same bellends who, lets be honest, if they bumped into him with their family at Alton Towers would ask for a selfie and shake his hand. Having money doesn’t soften personal abuse and ridicule Speaking from experience?😉
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 13, 2023 17:45:16 GMT
How come there is no media outrage like there was for those that missed the penos in the world Cup? 👀
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 13, 2023 18:08:27 GMT
How come there is no media outrage like there was for those that missed the penos in the world Cup? 👀 It's not really as big a story is it? There were 24 million people sitting on the edge of their seat for those penalties A few thousand people interested in the Maguire story? It's in the news though. It's in every paper today.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 13, 2023 18:14:20 GMT
Does hurling personal abuse at a football player on the pitch constitute bullying, abuse and generally not accepted these days. For example the stuff given out to Gareth Bale a few years ago regarding monkeys etc. Genuine question.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 13, 2023 18:23:52 GMT
Does hurling personal abuse at a football player on the pitch constitute bullying, abuse and generally not accepted these days. For example the stuff given out to Gareth Bale a few years ago regarding monkeys etc. Genuine question. It's a good question. Some would argue it's part of the game and footballers generally accept most of it as such, but there is obviously a line to be drawn. Racist, homophobic abuse is a criminal offence. Would a sustained personal attack be acceptable if a player felt threatened by it? I suppose the club have the right to eject someone if it goes beyond a certain tolerable level. But where the line is drawn is the big question?
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 13, 2023 18:36:47 GMT
The way he gets treated by journalists, fans and football pundits is appalling in my opinion. I don't think I've ever known a player to get targeted so much. Maybe I'm over exaggerating but from a footballing pov it nearly reminds you off how Caroline Flack was treated. Never heard of her. Maguire’s had an incredible fall from grace. It’s pretty impressive to see how far his standards have dropped at club level. I dislike him because a) he plays for Man Utd and b) he’s less than pretty. Mostly b actually, I don’t even really care about Man Utd. That’s a shocking post. You should be ashamed of yourself
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Post by andystokey on Sept 13, 2023 19:13:10 GMT
I genuinely don't understand why he was getting the Ole's yesterday. Unless half of Hampden were ManUre fans. I suppose its plausible.
Seems like a bandwagon that some sad fuckers have jumped on. There is nothing he has done whilst an England player that deserves that. Jeez when I think of some of the cnuts that have put that shirt on in my lifetime Maguire is a legend in comparison.
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Post by tigermoth on Sept 13, 2023 19:15:54 GMT
How come there is no media outrage like there was for those that missed the penos in the world Cup? 👀 It's not really as big a story is it? There were 24 million people sitting on the edge of their seat for those penalties A few thousand people interested in the Maguire story? It's in the news though. It's in every paper today. Ye that'll be why 👀
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 13, 2023 19:51:37 GMT
Maguire isn't match fit enough or match sharp enough to be playing for England. Southgate said players had to be playing regular and be in form and he is neither but still gets picked. What message does this send to other players trying their hardest playing week in week out to get into the England team. Same goes for Phillips. Players shouldn't be playing more games for England than their clubs over a season.
Southgate picks him to score off corners and even that's dried up. A couple of seasons ago he was on the end of everything but not seen it as much from him since his form dropped. He shouldn't be getting personal abuse but the criticism in his performances is fair. Southgate is arrogant, from his stubbornness to drop Maguire to his stubbornness to pick Foden. It's like he wants to aggravate the fans to prove he is right and everyone else is wrong.
It's interesting some people mentioned Greece as it was since that incident his career has completely gone down hill, especially for his club. Whatever happened seems to have left him scarred.
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Post by gawa on Sept 13, 2023 19:51:40 GMT
Never heard of her. Maguire’s had an incredible fall from grace. It’s pretty impressive to see how far his standards have dropped at club level. I dislike him because a) he plays for Man Utd and b) he’s less than pretty. Mostly b actually, I don’t even really care about Man Utd. That’s a shocking post. You should be ashamed of yourself He lives in America so makes sense he may not know who Caroline is.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 13, 2023 19:53:40 GMT
I really can’t believe you are that naive It’s actually embarrassing reading that It's easy to avoid if you want to. Few different points you’ve made I’ll address starting with this one 1. ‘It’s easy to avoid it if you want to’ Let’s say Maguire bows down to the bullying and removes himself from social media (no doubt annoying his personal sponsors etc), he still couldn’t avoid it. Almost every time you go on SM you’ll come across a meme or reel with that stupid Harry Maguire shout. Maguire family and friends will see and be aware of it, they’ll ask him about it in conversations which must be tough, or they might not ask him about it, but Maguire will know it’s going on. It’s an awful situation. His own teammates will see it too, and he has to go and face that in training not knowing who’s seen what memes being passed around or who agrees with it. I bet if you go to work every single day not knowing who’s ridiculing your work or laughing behind your back, you wouldn’t perform at your best. He’s also been subject to a bomb threat at his family home demanding he leave Man Utd Also, he’s not just going to forget about it. 2. Abuse of footballers has been going on for ages. Correct, and I’ll abuse players like Kris Commons and Lee Birchall as much as the next man to give Stoke an advantage. Difference? To abuse Commons or Birchall you must have a very small niche in wanting to abuse a player 99% of the footballing world hasn’t heard of. They won’t take that abuse into the next game simply for being them. Maguire now gets global abuse from people who don’t give a rats arse about football. It’s akin to me watching social media reels of a painters bad painting and jumping on the bandwagon and trying to destroy his career. It’s a bit pathetic. He’s getting more abuse than people who are under investigation for rape (*****y, Robinho). (I’m not sure if name suppression is still granted or what’s going on with that trial so I’ve removed name) I almost felt bad for Scotland fans last night, they have a total right to get into a players head, but this isn’t a player who’s fucked up off the pitch, this is a player clearly at rock bottom who’s abused simply for being Harry Maguire. This is the biggest example I’ve ever seen of cyber bullying. I hope he has a good support network around him
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 13, 2023 20:03:30 GMT
Does hurling personal abuse at a football player on the pitch constitute bullying, abuse and generally not accepted these days. For example the stuff given out to Gareth Bale a few years ago regarding monkeys etc. Genuine question. From Footballers to Refs to managers. We are literally going down the path of not being allowed to say anything anymore to show our displeasure. Football is going to end up like tennis. I feel like I need to read through everything I write a hundred times now to makes sure there's nothing in there that unintentionally offends someone. I nearly deleted the first bit just in case.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 13, 2023 20:05:53 GMT
It's easy to avoid if you want to. Few different points you’ve made I’ll address starting with this one 1. ‘It’s easy to avoid it if you want to’ Let’s say Maguire bows down to the bullying and removes himself from social media (no doubt annoying his personal sponsors etc), he still couldn’t avoid it. Almost every time you go on SM you’ll come across a meme or reel with that stupid Harry Maguire shout. Maguire family and friends will see and be aware of it, they’ll ask him about it in conversations which must be tough, or they might not ask him about it, but Maguire will know it’s going on. It’s an awful situation. His own teammates will see it too, and he has to go and face that in training not knowing who’s seen what memes being passed around or who agrees with it. I bet if you go to work every single day not knowing who’s ridiculing your work or laughing behind your back, you wouldn’t perform at your best. He’s also been subject to a bomb threat at his family home demanding he leave Man Utd Also, he’s not just going to forget about it. 2. Abuse of footballers has been going on for ages. Correct, and I’ll abuse players like Kris Commons and Lee Birchall as much as the next man to give Stoke an advantage. Difference? To abuse Commons or Birchall you must have a very small niche in wanting to abuse a player 99% of the footballing world hasn’t heard of. They won’t take that abuse into the next game simply for being them. Maguire now gets global abuse from people who don’t give a rats arse about football. It’s akin to me watching social media reels of a painters bad painting and jumping on the bandwagon and trying to destroy his career. It’s a bit pathetic. He’s getting more abuse than people who are under investigation for rape (*****y, Robinho). (I’m not sure if name suppression is still granted or what’s going on with that trial so I’ve removed name) I almost felt bad for Scotland fans last night, they have a total right to get into a players head, but this isn’t a player who’s fucked up off the pitch, this is a player clearly at rock bottom who’s abused simply for being Harry Maguire. This is the biggest example I’ve ever seen of cyber bullying. I hope he has a good support network around him What’s the Harry Maguire shout? The bomb threat etc is obviously way too much and no one should be subject to that. Your point 2 is nonsense. Abuse is abuse. You either dish it out or don’t. There’s no difference.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 13, 2023 20:11:42 GMT
Few different points you’ve made I’ll address starting with this one 1. ‘It’s easy to avoid it if you want to’ Let’s say Maguire bows down to the bullying and removes himself from social media (no doubt annoying his personal sponsors etc), he still couldn’t avoid it. Almost every time you go on SM you’ll come across a meme or reel with that stupid Harry Maguire shout. Maguire family and friends will see and be aware of it, they’ll ask him about it in conversations which must be tough, or they might not ask him about it, but Maguire will know it’s going on. It’s an awful situation. His own teammates will see it too, and he has to go and face that in training not knowing who’s seen what memes being passed around or who agrees with it. I bet if you go to work every single day not knowing who’s ridiculing your work or laughing behind your back, you wouldn’t perform at your best. He’s also been subject to a bomb threat at his family home demanding he leave Man Utd Also, he’s not just going to forget about it. 2. Abuse of footballers has been going on for ages. Correct, and I’ll abuse players like Kris Commons and Lee Birchall as much as the next man to give Stoke an advantage. Difference? To abuse Commons or Birchall you must have a very small niche in wanting to abuse a player 99% of the footballing world hasn’t heard of. They won’t take that abuse into the next game simply for being them. Maguire now gets global abuse from people who don’t give a rats arse about football. It’s akin to me watching social media reels of a painters bad painting and jumping on the bandwagon and trying to destroy his career. It’s a bit pathetic. He’s getting more abuse than people who are under investigation for rape (*****y, Robinho). (I’m not sure if name suppression is still granted or what’s going on with that trial so I’ve removed name) I almost felt bad for Scotland fans last night, they have a total right to get into a players head, but this isn’t a player who’s fucked up off the pitch, this is a player clearly at rock bottom who’s abused simply for being Harry Maguire. This is the biggest example I’ve ever seen of cyber bullying. I hope he has a good support network around him What’s the Harry Maguire shout? The bomb threat etc is obviously way too much and no one should be subject to that. Your point 2 is nonsense. Abuse is abuse. You either dish it out or don’t. There’s no difference. Hard to explain on a forum but it’s used in a reel where something is working fine then goes to shit and at the point it goes to shit there’s a Harry Maguire shout. Anyway but redundant. Point 2 is not shit. I can’t fathom how you can’t see the difference for global social media abuse for the sake of it vs a few thousand actual football fans, using something that has actually happened to get into a players head to gain an advantage. It’s a pretty hefty difference
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Post by foster on Sept 13, 2023 20:17:12 GMT
It's easy to avoid if you want to. Few different points you’ve made I’ll address starting with this one 1. ‘It’s easy to avoid it if you want to’ Let’s say Maguire bows down to the bullying and removes himself from social media (no doubt annoying his personal sponsors etc), he still couldn’t avoid it. Almost every time you go on SM you’ll come across a meme or reel with that stupid Harry Maguire shout. Maguire family and friends will see and be aware of it, they’ll ask him about it in conversations which must be tough, or they might not ask him about it, but Maguire will know it’s going on. It’s an awful situation. His own teammates will see it too, and he has to go and face that in training not knowing who’s seen what memes being passed around or who agrees with it. I bet if you go to work every single day not knowing who’s ridiculing your work or laughing behind your back, you wouldn’t perform at your best. He’s also been subject to a bomb threat at his family home demanding he leave Man Utd Also, he’s not just going to forget about it. 2. Abuse of footballers has been going on for ages. Correct, and I’ll abuse players like Kris Commons and Lee Birchall as much as the next man to give Stoke an advantage. Difference? To abuse Commons or Birchall you must have a very small niche in wanting to abuse a player 99% of the footballing world hasn’t heard of. They won’t take that abuse into the next game simply for being them. Maguire now gets global abuse from people who don’t give a rats arse about football. It’s akin to me watching social media reels of a painters bad painting and jumping on the bandwagon and trying to destroy his career. It’s a bit pathetic. He’s getting more abuse than people who are under investigation for rape (*****y, Robinho). (I’m not sure if name suppression is still granted or what’s going on with that trial so I’ve removed name) I almost felt bad for Scotland fans last night, they have a total right to get into a players head, but this isn’t a player who’s fucked up off the pitch, this is a player clearly at rock bottom who’s abused simply for being Harry Maguire. This is the biggest example I’ve ever seen of cyber bullying. I hope he has a good support network around him I think his point 1 was about Werrington reading his posts and not Maguire. I may be wrong but that's how I interpreted it.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 13, 2023 20:24:11 GMT
Few different points you’ve made I’ll address starting with this one 1. ‘It’s easy to avoid it if you want to’ Let’s say Maguire bows down to the bullying and removes himself from social media (no doubt annoying his personal sponsors etc), he still couldn’t avoid it. Almost every time you go on SM you’ll come across a meme or reel with that stupid Harry Maguire shout. Maguire family and friends will see and be aware of it, they’ll ask him about it in conversations which must be tough, or they might not ask him about it, but Maguire will know it’s going on. It’s an awful situation. His own teammates will see it too, and he has to go and face that in training not knowing who’s seen what memes being passed around or who agrees with it. I bet if you go to work every single day not knowing who’s ridiculing your work or laughing behind your back, you wouldn’t perform at your best. He’s also been subject to a bomb threat at his family home demanding he leave Man Utd Also, he’s not just going to forget about it. 2. Abuse of footballers has been going on for ages. Correct, and I’ll abuse players like Kris Commons and Lee Birchall as much as the next man to give Stoke an advantage. Difference? To abuse Commons or Birchall you must have a very small niche in wanting to abuse a player 99% of the footballing world hasn’t heard of. They won’t take that abuse into the next game simply for being them. Maguire now gets global abuse from people who don’t give a rats arse about football. It’s akin to me watching social media reels of a painters bad painting and jumping on the bandwagon and trying to destroy his career. It’s a bit pathetic. He’s getting more abuse than people who are under investigation for rape (*****y, Robinho). (I’m not sure if name suppression is still granted or what’s going on with that trial so I’ve removed name) I almost felt bad for Scotland fans last night, they have a total right to get into a players head, but this isn’t a player who’s fucked up off the pitch, this is a player clearly at rock bottom who’s abused simply for being Harry Maguire. This is the biggest example I’ve ever seen of cyber bullying. I hope he has a good support network around him I think his point 1 was about Werrington reading his posts and not Maguire. I may be wrong but that's how I interpreted it. There were too many possible quotes to choose from so I went for the shortest post 🙂
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Post by banksy1art on Sept 13, 2023 20:24:43 GMT
This must’ve been nice to see for him after the game 👏
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 13, 2023 20:33:29 GMT
I must be pretty rare in thinking he's not actually that bad!
Always been ok or better for England on the whole and if he's shit for Man U well I can live with that!
Probably needs to move to someone like Villa or Spurs to resurrect his club career.
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Post by skip on Sept 13, 2023 21:00:07 GMT
So it’s fine to ridicule/slaughter the lad on social media and in general because he decided to stay at Manchester United and not sign for West Ham for his own reasons Seriously? It’s nothing new. He doesn’t have to read it. Indeed it’s very easy not to. I follow a lot of football folk on Twitter and haven’t seen anything that has crossed a line or come close to. He will still know it's there even if he doesn't read it. and his imagination will probably only worsen his self esteem. I don't mind taking the piss out of footballers who get ahead of themselves, but Maguire doesn't deserve the shit he's getting.
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Post by skip on Sept 13, 2023 21:01:49 GMT
How come there is no media outrage like there was for those that missed the penos in the world Cup? 👀 Because they suffered online racist abuse. And I suggest from your use of suspicious sideways eyes emoji that you know this all too well but are perhaps hinting that they are more protected because they are black? Ammaright? Yours Sincerely, Columbo, king of the cops.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 13, 2023 21:08:44 GMT
It’s nothing new. He doesn’t have to read it. Indeed it’s very easy not to. I follow a lot of football folk on Twitter and haven’t seen anything that has crossed a line or come close to. He will still know it's there even if he doesn't read it. and his imagination will probably only worsen his self esteem. I don't mind taking the piss out of footballers who get ahead of themselves, but Maguire doesn't deserve the shit he's getting. To an extent but again isn’t that part and parcel of being at one of the biggest clubs in the world? You are in a goldfish bowl. This seems to be more about worthiness of the stick than the actual stick. And I think Southgate’s rant is to take away from his shit management of the situation. There’s no way he should have been in the squad nevermind the team.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 13, 2023 21:21:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2023 21:49:02 GMT
Very interesting, how social media and football websites work.
On Facebook/ twitter / the oatcake...you can say there are less black coaches in the game than you would expect...that's racist, clubs have to be made to have more black coaches ( quotas) etc etc. Nobody bats an eyelid, even though there is no evidence arsenal man utd ...stoke , vale , Northwich Victoria are racist.
If someone went on social media and said there are less white players than you would expect ( also true) ...that's racist, clubs should be made to have more white players ( quotas) , there would be uproar. You can say the quota word in one context but not the other .
If Mr Joe Average goes on social media and starts an over the top slagging off harry Maguire ...he's too slow, Southgate is a Muppet, he couldn't get game at the vale blah blah, that's wrong, that's so wrong.
But if z list celebrity Rachel Riley goes screaming on social media, to launch a Coke fuelled madwoman, with an Uzi machine gun style, character assassination of mason greenwood...he's the scum of the earth, he should be banned from football, I am never going to man utd ever again unless everyone at man utd agrees with me etc etc( When she knows full well the CEO of man utd thinks he is not guilty of the allegations she is making) ...then that's all fine and dandy.
You can say there are not enough black coaches. You can't say there are not enough white players. You can slag off mason greenwood all you like. You can't slag off harry Maguire.
Social media is the new school playground.
You can't take the piss out of the cool kids( heaven help you ,if you do )
But you can fxcking hammer the loners and the uncool .
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 13, 2023 23:02:04 GMT
Man U keeping him like some sort of gimp is doing him no good. I don't think that's fair at all. Ten Hag has been blunt with him and told him he's not in his plans and he was offered a perfectly decent move to West Ham (probably/possibly his actual level) ... HE turned the move down. Of course that is his prerogative but I think some of the criticism he's getting now stems from that decision. His pride stopped him from making the move, essentially saying I'm better than you think I am, which he's very much entitled to do but then every time he makes a mistake, he gets vilified for believing that. I'm not defending the criticism but if he had moved to and had a good start to the season with West Ham, I do wonder if the criticism would have been as harsh. Nobody sees him play, except when he plays for England, so he himself has very much placed himself into a very limited spotlight to quieten the naysayers. I certainly never see him play Paul unless it’s for England and had no clue whatsoever that he’d turned down a move to West Ham United. In fact I wasn’t even sure that his club side these days was Manchester either. I knew he played for Leicester once but after that he’s gone completely off my radar and disappeared into the big clubs I don’t give a fuck about sphere. BM
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 13, 2023 23:09:42 GMT
I must be pretty rare in thinking he's not actually that bad! Always been ok or better for England on the whole and if he's shit for Man U well I can live with that! Probably needs to move to someone like Villa or Spurs to resurrect his club career. He's a very good centre half. Gareth's job is to pick the best players in his squad. For me if I could have the choice of any 5 English centre halves to transfer to Stoke, then Maguire would be in that group.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 13, 2023 23:17:33 GMT
What a load of waffle. Passing the buck onto Southgate? Seriously? I've heard it all now. I wonder if Darren would have the same view if it was him or another black player being racially abused. I very much doubt it. Can tell most of those commenting are armchair fans of the bigger clubs as well. So entitled that even an unfortunate own goal in a brilliant 3-1 victory is worthy of chastisement.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 13, 2023 23:49:29 GMT
Never heard of her. Maguire’s had an incredible fall from grace. It’s pretty impressive to see how far his standards have dropped at club level. I dislike him because a) he plays for Man Utd and b) he’s less than pretty. Mostly b actually, I don’t even really care about Man Utd. That’s a shocking post. You should be ashamed of yourself It was a comment made in jest and obviously I read the room wrong. I’ve stated multiple times on this board that I had a soft spot for Adam Davies and ignored his errors because I fancied him but won’t do the same for Bonham. I didn’t realize that there was more to this story and should have thought it through. Unsurprisingly, nothing came up in the US on Maguire getting awful abuse, so I can didn’t expect this conversation to be so charged. Hopefully, he has a good support network. In hindsight, I should have tried to figure out what the thread would be about before and I deserve some stick for a poor comment.
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