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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 26, 2023 9:21:14 GMT
I think the reaction to this kiss is way over the top really! OK, he shouldn't have done it, but was very happy and let his feelings take command, but ffs he didn't rape her or being violent in any way. I think a simple sorry should have been enough here. In my opinion the world has gone mad about small things that are being bigged up so much that it's unreal!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 26, 2023 9:27:46 GMT
I have a feeling this will rumble on for some time yet.
It’s clearly an incident that will roll on for some time yet with feelings strong on both sides.
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Post by satoshi on Aug 26, 2023 9:29:43 GMT
If she’s pregnant now he’s fucked
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Post by desman2 on Aug 26, 2023 9:31:12 GMT
Even the hideous ( I hate the US, I hate the national anthem, Im ashamed of my country, but ill wear the kit and take the money ) Rapanoe has stuck her toxic little oar in.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 26, 2023 9:36:08 GMT
Eighty female players have apparently refused to play for Spain until he's sacked. Where the fuck are the blokes? The sad truth is if Rodri for example said as captain of the men he wasn't playing the next round of euro qualifiers this bellend's arse would be bouncing down the stairs in minutes! Hermoso and her family instead are getting pressured to release a statement to save this guy. Imagine your daughter being Spain's best player when nobody give a shit; being miles off as a team 8 years ago; galvanising a squad fragmented with loads pulling out because they didn't like the coach and; somehow being the best side in the world. Yet, your daughter isn't being asked about any of that but instead some baldy twat who obviously doesn't know how to conduct himself in the moment nor on reflection. How the fuck has a bloke managed to make his country's women winning a world cup all about a bloke? Borja Iglesias has said he won't play for Spain again until he's gone, hopefully the first of many And just as significant, David de Gea has put out a statement saying that until Rubiales is ditched, he WILL play for the national side. The bloke is tostados.
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Post by stokief on Aug 26, 2023 9:44:03 GMT
I think the reaction to this kiss is way over the top really! OK, he shouldn't have done it, but was very happy and let his feelings take command, but ffs he didn't rape her or being violent in any way. I think a simple sorry should have been enough here. In my opinion the world has gone mad about small things that are being bigged up so much that it's unreal! I'm sorry but I have to majorly disagree. Forcing a kiss on the lips of someone is a totally unacceptable. It's supposedly 'small and meaningless' actions like this that sometimes lead to far more serious acts like rape and violence later (I'm not meaning these two people but generally)Plus his crotch grabbing gives an indication of what sort of individual he is. It shouldn't be brushed aside as 'in the moment', 'carried away with emotion'. I'm sure those phrases have been used many times by people who are wishing to excuse their behaviour where consent is at the root. What sort of an example does it set? To actually try to turn this on to the player is astounding. I agree with you that in many ways the world has gone mad but from what I can see this is not and example of it I'm afraid.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 26, 2023 9:45:07 GMT
Can you imagine Bert Millichip even knowing where his crotch was let alone clutching it and thrusting forward during a game of Association Football. And as for the snog, a polite and demure handshake would be as close as he’d get. Joking aside the bloke seems like a raging qunt and is getting what he deserves. No matter how ‘excited’ (😉) he was you can’t go round kissing women you don’t know on the lips these days without a written invite.
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Post by st3mark on Aug 26, 2023 9:45:31 GMT
I don't think he thought he was entitled I think he was overcome with emotion. I've never met the man though, so I have no idea what his personality is like. I don't believe in stereotyping him as a type, the same as I try not to stereotype other groups. I don't think grabbing a pussy is anywhere near the same thing. And if she punched him in response I would have supported her human reaction to do so and she would have been within her rights to a degree. She chose to continue the embrace though and I support her choice to do that as well. I think the world has gone insane personally. I'm so glad I don't have a victim mentality. When female colleagues have forced a kiss on me in the past at Xmas parties etc I just smile and say get off ya daft bugger. Everyone continues with their life and nobody's life is ruined. It's bliss. Bliss?! More like ignorance. Men feel that they are entitled to treat women however they want. Be in men in powerful positions or men working on a scaffolding shouting obscenities at girls/women passing by. The list is endless. And men such as Donald Trump or Boris Johnson continue to fuel the fires of misogyny. If you talk to women or actually more importantly listen to women, then you will realise how brutal it is to be discriminated against throughout your life. It needs to change and the way it changes is through education. Boys & men need to be educated. Interesting username. A misogynistic comedy that fuels the behaviour you're talking about. And I was saying bliss in relation to the way I deal with women treating me in a way that a lot of people would consider a sexual assault. The wolf whistling bollocks is childish and can be harassing, but whenever I've spoken to actual women about this without getting offended for them or telling them that they should feel offended it's very down the middle. You might think that you can say that all women are offended by it, but try talking to some, you'll be surprised they have their own individual opinions. Some women love it, some like it, some don't care, some dislike it and some hate it. In relation to this Spanish scandal/women's football I happen to work with a talented female footballer. On Monday the first thing she'll say to me is "have you seen that bollocks?" Before continuing to rip the piss out of me all day about a variety of topics. We're happy. Speaking of being happy anchorman why don't you stick it on and laugh at the humour “I’m a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That’s what kind of man I am. You’re just a woman with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It’s science.” I'm sure Trump and the Spanish football president love that film.
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Post by Gods on Aug 26, 2023 9:53:44 GMT
You can’t just kiss someone on the lips like that. It was disgusting. I'm sure you'll meet someone one day. There's a lid for every pot. That made me laugh, although I'm sure Bayern would observe all the normal formalities like getting to know someone first! 😉
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Post by musik on Aug 26, 2023 9:53:51 GMT
I wonder what had happened if he had headbutted her.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 26, 2023 9:54:23 GMT
I think the reaction to this kiss is way over the top really! OK, he shouldn't have done it, but was very happy and let his feelings take command, but ffs he didn't rape her or being violent in any way. I think a simple sorry should have been enough here. In my opinion the world has gone mad about small things that are being bigged up so much that it's unreal! I'm sorry but I have to majorly disagree. Forcing a kiss on the lips of someone is a totally unacceptable. It's supposedly 'small and meaningless' actions like this that sometimes lead to far more serious acts like rape and violence later (I'm not meaning these two people but generally)Plus his crotch grabbing gives an indication of what sort of individual he is. It shouldn't be brushed aside as 'in the moment', 'carried away with emotion'. I'm sure those phrases have been used many times by people who are wishing to excuse their behaviour where consent is at the root. What sort of an example does it set? To actually try to turn this on to the player is astounding. I agree with you that in many ways the world has gone mad but from what I can see this is not and example of it I'm afraid. No, make it as big as possible! Ffs, women in Iran are being shot at for not covering their hair! I think keeping focus on all such small things take the focus away from things that really matters!
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Post by nsd on Aug 26, 2023 10:01:28 GMT
I'm sorry but I have to majorly disagree. Forcing a kiss on the lips of someone is a totally unacceptable. It's supposedly 'small and meaningless' actions like this that sometimes lead to far more serious acts like rape and violence later (I'm not meaning these two people but generally)Plus his crotch grabbing gives an indication of what sort of individual he is. It shouldn't be brushed aside as 'in the moment', 'carried away with emotion'. I'm sure those phrases have been used many times by people who are wishing to excuse their behaviour where consent is at the root. What sort of an example does it set? To actually try to turn this on to the player is astounding. I agree with you that in many ways the world has gone mad but from what I can see this is not and example of it I'm afraid. No, make it as big as possible! Ffs, women in Iran are being shot at for not covering their hair! I think keeping focus on all such small things take the focus away from things that really matters! there's plenty of room in the world for focus on both things. that matters, as does this. we don't have a quota on these things.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 26, 2023 10:02:16 GMT
Surely if this was consensual then it would have been picked up by the camera? Is there evidence to show he asked to kiss her on the lips and evidence that she agreed? Surely that has to be the case.
Ive shared some ecstatic moments with my +18 students over the years when they received their exam results, but I cant imagine thinking it would be a good idea to kiss them on the lips in the moment, and I know what would happen if I did.
The cultural argument is garbage, there is a big difference in Spain regarding kissing someone on the cheeks and lips. Even its taboo to actually touch your lip onto the others' cheek when greeting. That in itself is a big NoNo.
You supposed to touch cheek to cheek and make a kissing sound, which is very different from kissing the actual cheek.
I think the Spanish are probably more conservative about kissing than the English.
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Post by skip on Aug 26, 2023 10:02:18 GMT
From your link: In recent decades this iconic photograph has engendered condemnation, after Greta Zimmer Friedman, the woman being kissed by the sailor (believed to have been George Mendonsa) said that the kiss was nonconsensual. It was celebrated as one of the most beautiful moments in human history. A fascinating and powerful example of how photography is used as propaganda but that is it.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 26, 2023 10:06:24 GMT
No, make it as big as possible! Ffs, women in Iran are being shot at for not covering their hair! I think keeping focus on all such small things take the focus away from things that really matters! there's plenty of room in the world for focus on both things. that matters, as does this. we don't have a quota on these things. No, but the bigger issues disappear because we focus just as much on things of less importance. As said, it's not OK to kiss her, but making this such a case in the media day after day is in my opinion madness.
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Post by stokief on Aug 26, 2023 10:10:13 GMT
I'm sorry but I have to majorly disagree. Forcing a kiss on the lips of someone is a totally unacceptable. It's supposedly 'small and meaningless' actions like this that sometimes lead to far more serious acts like rape and violence later (I'm not meaning these two people but generally)Plus his crotch grabbing gives an indication of what sort of individual he is. It shouldn't be brushed aside as 'in the moment', 'carried away with emotion'. I'm sure those phrases have been used many times by people who are wishing to excuse their behaviour where consent is at the root. What sort of an example does it set? To actually try to turn this on to the player is astounding. I agree with you that in many ways the world has gone mad but from what I can see this is not and example of it I'm afraid. No, make it as big as possible! Ffs, women in Iran are being shot at for not covering their hair! I think keeping focus on all such small things take the focus away from things that really matters! Again, sorrry, don't agree. This is exactly why it can't be brushed under the carpet. It doesn't matter how small an issue it is , it's still an act of a man thinking he has the power to do what he wants and that the woman should keep quiet and accept it. As you have said, women around the world face abuse, assault and death, are treated as second class citizens or worse and it's mainly at the hands of men who wish to control them. This crotch-grabbing, attention seeker looks like a prime example of somebody who thinks dominating behaviour towards women, probably men too is the norm and should be accepted. Just like those who make up laws, tell women they can't be educated, tell them what to wear, tell them where they can walk etc, it all starts with seemingly 'small' things and we know where things lead to. Oh, and by the way, I'm a woman and as I've said before, think a lot of stuff that goes on thesedays is crazy BUT maybe being female I have a slightly different take on how it feels in this case.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 26, 2023 10:11:46 GMT
there's plenty of room in the world for focus on both things. that matters, as does this. we don't have a quota on these things. No, but the bigger issues disappear because we focus just as much on things of less importance. As said, it's not OK to kiss her, but making this such a case in the media day after day is in my opinion madness. To be fair it's the Spanish FA who are mostly sustaining interest in this story. It seems to me the player has been forced to make statements and its natural that others would then wade in to support her considering the pressure she has been put under by the Spanish FA.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 26, 2023 10:11:59 GMT
No, make it as big as possible! Ffs, women in Iran are being shot at for not covering their hair! I think keeping focus on all such small things take the focus away from things that really matters! Again, sorrry, don't agree. This is exactly why it can't be brushed under the carpet. It doesn't matter how small an issue it is , it's still an act of a man thinking he has the power to do what he wants and that the woman should keep quiet and accept it. As you have said, women around the world face abuse, assault and death, are treated as second class citizens or worse and it's mainly at the hands of men who wish to control them. This crotch-grabbing, attention seeker looks like a prime example of somebody who thinks dominating behaviour towards women, probably men too is the norm and should be accepted. Just like those who make up laws, tell women they can't be educated, tell them what to wear, tell them where they can walk etc, it all starts with seemingly 'small' things and we know where things lead to. Oh, and by the way, I'm a woman and as I've said before, think a lot of stuff that goeas on thesdays is crazy BUT maybe being female I have a slightly different take on how it feels in this case. Think we just have to agree that we disagree to how this is handled.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 26, 2023 10:13:11 GMT
Bliss?! More like ignorance. Men feel that they are entitled to treat women however they want. Be in men in powerful positions or men working on a scaffolding shouting obscenities at girls/women passing by. The list is endless. And men such as Donald Trump or Boris Johnson continue to fuel the fires of misogyny. If you talk to women or actually more importantly listen to women, then you will realise how brutal it is to be discriminated against throughout your life. It needs to change and the way it changes is through education. Boys & men need to be educated. Interesting username. A misogynistic comedy that fuels the behaviour you're talking about. And I was saying bliss in relation to the way I deal with women treating me in a way that a lot of people would consider a sexual assault. The wolf whistling bollocks is childish and can be harassing, but whenever I've spoken to actual women about this without getting offended for them or telling them that they should feel offended it's very down the middle. You might think that you can say that all women are offended by it, but try talking to some, you'll be surprised they have their own individual opinions. Some women love it, some like it, some don't care, some dislike it and some hate it. In relation to this Spanish scandal/women's football I happen to work with a talented female footballer. On Monday the first thing she'll say to me is "have you seen that bollocks?" Before continuing to rip the piss out of me all day about a variety of topics. We're happy. Speaking of being happy anchorman why don't you stick it on and laugh at the humour “I’m a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That’s what kind of man I am. You’re just a woman with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It’s science.” I'm sure Trump and the Spanish football president love that film. Isn’t the whole point of the film to laugh at misogynist dinosaurs who can’t accept that times have changed? Said woman runs rings around the men throughout the film. The ‘overcome by emotion’ stuff is nonsense, he’s a grown man and should be able to control himself.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 26, 2023 10:14:12 GMT
No, make it as big as possible! Ffs, women in Iran are being shot at for not covering their hair! I think keeping focus on all such small things take the focus away from things that really matters! there's plenty of room in the world for focus on both things. that matters, as does this. we don't have a quota on these things. But it doesn't though does it. It depends who you are and where you are from. You don't hear feminist outrage against those regimes in the middle east. Their wasn't any against what was going on in our cities here. Those two examples trump any outrage over a kiss on the lips any day. Inappropriate, yes but we've now gotten into a modern day burn em at the stake mentality. Even read a story this morning that some woman got £1.2m in compo because someone mentioned her tits at work. That's more than the compo under the rules than that poor twat who spent 17 years in jail for something he didn't do.
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Post by stokief on Aug 26, 2023 10:15:15 GMT
Again, sorrry, don't agree. This is exactly why it can't be brushed under the carpet. It doesn't matter how small an issue it is , it's still an act of a man thinking he has the power to do what he wants and that the woman should keep quiet and accept it. As you have said, women around the world face abuse, assault and death, are treated as second class citizens or worse and it's mainly at the hands of men who wish to control them. This crotch-grabbing, attention seeker looks like a prime example of somebody who thinks dominating behaviour towards women, probably men too is the norm and should be accepted. Just like those who make up laws, tell women they can't be educated, tell them what to wear, tell them where they can walk etc, it all starts with seemingly 'small' things and we know where things lead to. Oh, and by the way, I'm a woman and as I've said before, think a lot of stuff that goeas on thesdays is crazy BUT maybe being female I have a slightly different take on how it feels in this case. Think we just have to agree that we disagree to how this is handled. Yes, I think so too
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Post by nsd on Aug 26, 2023 10:16:40 GMT
Isn’t the whole point of the film to laugh at misogynist dinosaurs who can’t accept that times have changed? Said woman runs rings around the men throughout the film. satire is lost on a lot of people isn't it
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Post by nsd on Aug 26, 2023 10:18:07 GMT
there's plenty of room in the world for focus on both things. that matters, as does this. we don't have a quota on these things. But it doesn't though does it. It depends who you are and where you are from. You don't hear feminist outrage against those regimes in the middle east. Their wasn't any against what was going on in our cities here. Those two examples trump any outrage over a kiss on the lips any day. Inappropriate, yes but we've now gotten into a modern day burn em at the stake mentality. Even read a story this morning that some woman got £1.2m in compo because someone mentioned her tits at work. That's more than the compo under the rules than that poor twat who spent 17 years in jail for something he didn't do. I don't know what feminist circles you run in but there absolutely is outrage about these regimes.
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Post by skip on Aug 26, 2023 10:23:02 GMT
Again, sorrry, don't agree. This is exactly why it can't be brushed under the carpet. It doesn't matter how small an issue it is , it's still an act of a man thinking he has the power to do what he wants and that the woman should keep quiet and accept it. As you have said, women around the world face abuse, assault and death, are treated as second class citizens or worse and it's mainly at the hands of men who wish to control them. This crotch-grabbing, attention seeker looks like a prime example of somebody who thinks dominating behaviour towards women, probably men too is the norm and should be accepted. Just like those who make up laws, tell women they can't be educated, tell them what to wear, tell them where they can walk etc, it all starts with seemingly 'small' things and we know where things lead to. Oh, and by the way, I'm a woman and as I've said before, think a lot of stuff that goes on these days is crazy BUT maybe being female I have a slightly different take on how it feels in this case. Think we just have to agree that we disagree to how this is handled. Or maybe you can just accept that a woman's perspective on this issue is more informed and valid.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 26, 2023 10:26:27 GMT
But it doesn't though does it. It depends who you are and where you are from. You don't hear feminist outrage against those regimes in the middle east. Their wasn't any against what was going on in our cities here. Those two examples trump any outrage over a kiss on the lips any day. Inappropriate, yes but we've now gotten into a modern day burn em at the stake mentality. Even read a story this morning that some woman got £1.2m in compo because someone mentioned her tits at work. That's more than the compo under the rules than that poor twat who spent 17 years in jail for something he didn't do. I don't know what feminist circles you run in but there absolutely is outrage about these regimes. Where? i can find plenty of articles of articles asking why western feminists are keeping shtum but none that are expressing organised outrage. Their maybe groups in the said countries, but none going out of their way here to back them up. They wern't outraged about the treatment of young girls here were they.
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Post by foster on Aug 26, 2023 10:28:08 GMT
Think we just have to agree that we disagree to how this is handled. Or maybe you can just accept that a woman's perspective on this issue is more informed and valid. I think you'll find that gender is nothing but a social construct, thank you very much.
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Post by figo85 on Aug 26, 2023 10:29:54 GMT
Christ, this message board is ridiculous. The folks who think the kiss is acceptable are the same sort of folk who want Greenwood to be back in professional football.
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Post by enuntio on Aug 26, 2023 10:30:56 GMT
He obviously should have known better. I'm not sure which was worse, The crotch holding, or the kiss. My guess is that he must have had to much sangria...
Does anyone remember the much talked about and front page headlines of err Tonie Currie and A.N.Other puckering up? Pre-Internet days so there was no witch hunt and demands for heads to roll
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Post by Marc01 on Aug 26, 2023 10:32:53 GMT
“The RFEF provided analysis of four images and concluded that "the feet of Mr President are ostensibly raised off the ground as a result of the player's action"” From the relevant photo it looks like she caused his knees to bend at right angles too 🙂 www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66626410
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 26, 2023 10:34:07 GMT
Think we just have to agree that we disagree to how this is handled. Or maybe you can just accept that a woman's perspective on this issue is more informed and valid. You don't speak for every woman though!
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