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Post by st3mark on Aug 26, 2023 7:51:31 GMT
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Post by Widget123 on Aug 26, 2023 7:51:53 GMT
Spanish FA double down on this by threatening to sue and also claiming that players cannot boycott selection... Do they have a pair of aces or are they going all in on 5/6 unsuited and hoping everyone else folds...? www.bbc.com/sport/football/66626410Madness!
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Post by noustie on Aug 26, 2023 7:56:30 GMT
Spanish FA double down on this by threatening to sue and also claiming that players cannot boycott selection... Do they have a pair of aces or are they going all in on 5/6 unsuited and hoping everyone else folds...? www.bbc.com/sport/football/66626410Madness! Fucking hell fire talk about making a total pig's arse out of winning the World Cup! Even if he truly believes Hermoso agreed to his letching the power dynamic still leaves him without a leg stand on. I'm even more convinced this will take the blokes stepping up pronto!
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 26, 2023 7:57:43 GMT
From your link: In recent decades this iconic photograph has engendered condemnation, after Greta Zimmer Friedman, the woman being kissed by the sailor (believed to have been George Mendonsa) said that the kiss was nonconsensual.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 26, 2023 8:02:44 GMT
This is how you should celebrate winning football …….always makes me chuckle 😂😂
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Post by Veritas on Aug 26, 2023 8:05:05 GMT
The kiss, I’m not sure I can say much. Latin culture is different. The crotch grab and the boob grab, nah. The culture isn’t that different. Don’t want to get fired, don’t grab a women’s breasts. That’s a pretty easy thing to avoid doing. If the kiss was an acceptable thing in their culture surely Jenni and the entire team wouldn't be protesting as much as they are surely? No it isn't, a kiss on both cheeks yes full on the mouth no.
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Post by Gods on Aug 26, 2023 8:06:14 GMT
The crotch pump was a strange one.
I suppose in the grander scheme of things it didn't matter much since no one else was directly involved.
Does anyone on here goes for a cheeky crotch pump after Stoke score?
It's never occurred to me to do it but perhaps I'm missing a trick!
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Post by pavel on Aug 26, 2023 8:06:21 GMT
From your link: In recent decades this iconic photograph has engendered condemnation, after Greta Zimmer Friedman, the woman being kissed by the sailor (believed to have been George Mendonsa) said that the kiss was nonconsensual. Indeed it has, there’s generally a true story behind every photograph, what you see and assume, is not always the reality.
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Post by boothenesque on Aug 26, 2023 8:08:11 GMT
Why did he feel entitled to kiss her on the lips? The good old days? When you could grab a woman's pussy and sh would be grateful for it. I fail to see why he feels he had the right to do that and why he did it. These types of people get where there are by being like this, arrogantky riding roughshod over people and then when they get their power they're still not satisfied and want more. She should ave punched the letches lights out.
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Post by st3mark on Aug 26, 2023 8:11:22 GMT
From your link: In recent decades this iconic photograph has engendered condemnation, after Greta Zimmer Friedman, the woman being kissed by the sailor (believed to have been George Mendonsa) said that the kiss was nonconsensual. It was celebrated as one of the most beautiful moments in human history.
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Post by pavel on Aug 26, 2023 8:14:48 GMT
Spanish FA double down on this by threatening to sue and also claiming that players cannot boycott selection... Do they have a pair of aces or are they going all in on 5/6 unsuited and hoping everyone else folds...? www.bbc.com/sport/football/66626410Madness! There’s doubling down and doubling down, this is bat shit crazy. What is it with football administrators, are they so out of touch with reality or do they just think they are untouchable because of their power over the game. It’s not just a Spanish problem though, (untouchable football administrators), it’s endemic especially in FIFA and UEFA. They say power corrupts and in football it seems on another level. Too much money floating around in the wrong places.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 26, 2023 8:15:20 GMT
How do these dickhead blokes keeping getting jobs so high up in football? You’ve got this fucking creep, Infantino or whatever his face is at FIFA and the countless others over the last however long who don’t seem to have a shred of decency, either personally or professionally.
The arguments they give (“she instigated it” etc) make it so much worse as well. Just resign you fucking penis.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Aug 26, 2023 8:17:19 GMT
From your link: In recent decades this iconic photograph has engendered condemnation, after Greta Zimmer Friedman, the woman being kissed by the sailor (believed to have been George Mendonsa) said that the kiss was nonconsensual. It was celebrated as one of the most beautiful moments in human history. You’re talking absolute arse gravy youth. There’s a difference between kissing your mate at the football in celebration and a man grabbing a woman and kissing her on the lips, it comes down to self-awareness whether you’re pissed up or on cloud 9, you still have to be responsible for your actions and know what’s right and wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 8:19:37 GMT
I think he should lose his job certainly. Criminal charges might be a step too far given the context. If he walked up to someone in the street, or grabbed someone on a normal day at work and kissed them full on the lips, certainly he should be getting a visit from the police and a day in court. However, in the highly emotional atmosphere of the moments following a World Cup win, I'd say his behaviour is probably ill-judged and inappropriate rather than predatory or sexually motivated. Hopefully the men's team will follow their female counterparts though and refuse to play any more internationals unless this oaf is removed from his job. I see where you're coming from. What I don't like about this is the grabbing of his crotch which I think elevates it towards being predatory and sexually motivated IMO. Agreed. That tells more of a story about him than anything else. Why the fuck would any man grab his cock and balls like that for any sporting victory, never mind at a women's game?
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Post by pavel on Aug 26, 2023 8:19:52 GMT
From your link: In recent decades this iconic photograph has engendered condemnation, after Greta Zimmer Friedman, the woman being kissed by the sailor (believed to have been George Mendonsa) said that the kiss was nonconsensual. It was celebrated as one of the most beautiful moments in human history. Until the truth came out and it was certainly not celebrated by Greta Zimmer Friedman. It may be an iconic photograph but it’s the back story you don’t see that defines the moment in reality.
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Post by noustie on Aug 26, 2023 8:20:18 GMT
The crotch pump was a strange one. I suppose in the grander scheme of things it didn't matter much since no one else was directly involved. Does anyone on here goes for a cheeky crotch pump after Stoke score? It's never occurred to me to do it but perhaps I'm missing a trick! Got be honest if Scotland men or women ever win the World Cup my cock is out out and I'm whirling it about like it's a fucking helicopter propeller! However, I'd at least have sufficient awareness to apologise profusely for my actions once euphoria subsides and request forgiveness rather than absolution
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 26, 2023 8:20:27 GMT
He should 100% lose his job. If I did that in work I’d be sacked before I’d even managed to catch a breath. Rightfully so. Women shouldn’t have to live their lives thinking they can and will get kissed by a man at any moment. It’s pathetic and I’m sorry but I’m tired of other blokes defending blatantly shit behaviour under the guise of this politically correct culture war. There are for sure things to be debated about the modern age, and not all societal change is good. This is not up for debate. Imagine if it was your sister, mother or daughter. I think you’re right however I don’t think anyone’s defending him as clearly what he’s done is wrong, it’s more a case of posters debating how to deal with him and what course of action should be taken and about there being consistency around other similar incidents and how they’re dealt with. Already another poster’s come up with a recent incident involving a horse rider and how that hasn’t been highlighted in the same way. In relation to him in his role if he’s got any sense he needs to resign as if he’s representing Spanish football he’s not the right man especially as theres the second incident with the grabbing of his crotch. He’s overstepped the mark in a big, big way. If he doesn’t resign I’d probably sack him as his behaviours not appropriate for someone in his position but I think dealing with him criminally is a step to far and in my opinion would only be done due to social media pressure and it could set a dangerous precedent around sport and celebrating. Over the years there’s been plenty of incidents that technically could have been dealt with but weren’t Morrow being dropped, Gazza wearing fake boobs, numerous fights in weigh ins. None of which were blown out of proportion because social media and its differing extreme views wasn’t around. Only he truely knows why he did and whether his actions were sexually motivated or just way over the top based on the excitement of Spain winning. I doubt we’ll never know the truth around that. One things for sure though his seconds of madness are going to cost him big and most likely the loss of his job and the crucifying no doubt he’ll get is enough for me. I’d be interested to know if he has previous for this type of behaviour and what type of character he is before being to judgemental about him as we all make one off mistakes that we regret later. If he’s got form for this then that’s clearly a different matter.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 26, 2023 8:21:34 GMT
From your link: In recent decades this iconic photograph has engendered condemnation, after Greta Zimmer Friedman, the woman being kissed by the sailor (believed to have been George Mendonsa) said that the kiss was nonconsensual. It was celebrated as one of the most beautiful moments in human history. “Was” & “non-consensual”
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Post by st3mark on Aug 26, 2023 8:21:40 GMT
Why did he feel entitled to kiss her on the lips? The good old days? When you could grab a woman's pussy and sh would be grateful for it. I fail to see why he feels he had the right to do that and why he did it. These types of people get where there are by being like this, arrogantky riding roughshod over people and then when they get their power they're still not satisfied and want more. She should ave punched the letches lights out. I don't think he thought he was entitled I think he was overcome with emotion. I've never met the man though, so I have no idea what his personality is like. I don't believe in stereotyping him as a type, the same as I try not to stereotype other groups. I don't think grabbing a pussy is anywhere near the same thing. And if she punched him in response I would have supported her human reaction to do so and she would have been within her rights to a degree. She chose to continue the embrace though and I support her choice to do that as well. I think the world has gone insane personally. I'm so glad I don't have a victim mentality. When female colleagues have forced a kiss on me in the past at Xmas parties etc I just smile and say get off ya daft bugger. Everyone continues with their life and nobody's life is ruined. It's bliss.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Aug 26, 2023 8:24:31 GMT
He should 100% lose his job. If I did that in work I’d be sacked before I’d even managed to catch a breath. Rightfully so. Women shouldn’t have to live their lives thinking they can and will get kissed by a man at any moment. It’s pathetic and I’m sorry but I’m tired of other blokes defending blatantly shit behaviour under the guise of this politically correct culture war. There are for sure things to be debated about the modern age, and not all societal change is good. This is not up for debate. Imagine if it was your sister, mother or daughter. I think you’re right however I don’t think anyone’s defending him as clearly what he’s done is wrong, it’s more a case of posters debating how to deal with him and what course of action should be taken and about there being consistency around other similar incidents and how they’re dealt with. Already another poster’s come up with a recent incident involving a horse rider and how that hasn’t been highlighted in the same way. In relation to him in his role if he’s got any sense he needs to resign as if he’s representing Spanish football he’s not the right man especially as theres the second incident with the grabbing of his crotch. He’s overstepped the mark in a big, big way. If he doesn’t resign I’d sack him as his behaviours not appropriate but I think dealing with him criminally is a step to far and in my opinion would only be done due to social media pressure and it could set a dangerous precedent around sport and celebrating. Over the years there’s been plenty of incidents that technically could have been dealt with but weren’t Morrow being dropped, Gazza wearing fake boobs, numerous fights in weigh ins. Only he truely knows why he did and whether his actions were sexually motivated or just way over the top based on the excitement of Spain winning. I doubt we’ll never know the truth around that. One things for sure his seconds of madness is going to cost him big and the loss of his job and the crucifying no doubt he’ll get is enough for me. I’d be interested to know if he has previous for this type of behaviour and what type of character he is before being to judgemental about him as we all make one off mistakes that we regret later. If he’s got form for this then that’s clearly a different matter. I think his speech says it all mate. He doesn’t give a shit. We all fuck up do bad things, you have to accept the consequences of your actions. Split second decisions indeed have last impact.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 26, 2023 8:25:52 GMT
The world gets crazier by the day You can’t just kiss someone on the lips like that. It was disgusting. And you can’t just abuse, bully, intimidate a woman and get away with it like Mason Greenwood
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Post by desman2 on Aug 26, 2023 8:56:01 GMT
If it's a punishment issue then that should be up to his governing body to do so and not the usual "witchfinder General " method employed by those on social media, newspapers and broadcast media.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 26, 2023 9:03:11 GMT
The guy is a prat and needs sacking! Fancy standing alongside the Queen of Spain handling your crotch like a yobbo on heat....idiot, and embarrassing all round!
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Post by thevoid on Aug 26, 2023 9:03:25 GMT
The world gets crazier by the day You can’t just kiss someone on the lips like that. It was disgusting. I'm sure you'll meet someone one day. There's a lid for every pot.
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Post by anchorman on Aug 26, 2023 9:06:23 GMT
Why did he feel entitled to kiss her on the lips? The good old days? When you could grab a woman's pussy and sh would be grateful for it. I fail to see why he feels he had the right to do that and why he did it. These types of people get where there are by being like this, arrogantky riding roughshod over people and then when they get their power they're still not satisfied and want more. She should ave punched the letches lights out. I don't think he thought he was entitled I think he was overcome with emotion. I've never met the man though, so I have no idea what his personality is like. I don't believe in stereotyping him as a type, the same as I try not to stereotype other groups. I don't think grabbing a pussy is anywhere near the same thing. And if she punched him in response I would have supported her human reaction to do so and she would have been within her rights to a degree. She chose to continue the embrace though and I support her choice to do that as well. I think the world has gone insane personally. I'm so glad I don't have a victim mentality. When female colleagues have forced a kiss on me in the past at Xmas parties etc I just smile and say get off ya daft bugger. Everyone continues with their life and nobody's life is ruined. It's bliss. Bliss?! More like ignorance. Men feel that they are entitled to treat women however they want. Be in men in powerful positions or men working on a scaffolding shouting obscenities at girls/women passing by. The list is endless. And men such as Donald Trump or Boris Johnson continue to fuel the fires of misogyny. If you talk to women or actually more importantly listen to women, then you will realise how brutal it is to be discriminated against throughout your life. It needs to change and the way it changes is through education. Boys & men need to be educated.
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Post by musik on Aug 26, 2023 9:09:18 GMT
Not mentioned up here. First time I heard of it.
Aha, now I saw it. Actually I do remember it since I saw it in real time. But it didn't last long in my memory. The hand is crucial. Therefore it wasn't mutual. VAR has decided, it's a penalty.
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Post by satoshi on Aug 26, 2023 9:13:35 GMT
If he did it to a Male the mayor of london would have a weekend celebration in his honour 😁
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Post by stokefc on Aug 26, 2023 9:14:53 GMT
I don't think he thought he was entitled I think he was overcome with emotion. I've never met the man though, so I have no idea what his personality is like. I don't believe in stereotyping him as a type, the same as I try not to stereotype other groups. I don't think grabbing a pussy is anywhere near the same thing. And if she punched him in response I would have supported her human reaction to do so and she would have been within her rights to a degree. She chose to continue the embrace though and I support her choice to do that as well. I think the world has gone insane personally. I'm so glad I don't have a victim mentality. When female colleagues have forced a kiss on me in the past at Xmas parties etc I just smile and say get off ya daft bugger. Everyone continues with their life and nobody's life is ruined. It's bliss. Bliss?! More like ignorance. Men feel that they are entitled to treat women however they want. Be in men in powerful positions or men working on a scaffolding shouting obscenities at girls/women passing by. The list is endless. And men such as Donald Trump or Boris Johnson continue to fuel the fires of misogyny. If you talk to women or actually more importantly listen to women, then you will realise how brutal it is to be discriminated against throughout your life. It needs to change and the way it changes is through education. Boys & men need to be educated. You don't see this on site anymore , times have changed and it's a sackable offence if anyone is caught doing this , not saying it doesn't happen but the construction industry has grown up some what
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Post by desman2 on Aug 26, 2023 9:16:14 GMT
I don't think he thought he was entitled I think he was overcome with emotion. I've never met the man though, so I have no idea what his personality is like. I don't believe in stereotyping him as a type, the same as I try not to stereotype other groups. I don't think grabbing a pussy is anywhere near the same thing. And if she punched him in response I would have supported her human reaction to do so and she would have been within her rights to a degree. She chose to continue the embrace though and I support her choice to do that as well. I think the world has gone insane personally. I'm so glad I don't have a victim mentality. When female colleagues have forced a kiss on me in the past at Xmas parties etc I just smile and say get off ya daft bugger. Everyone continues with their life and nobody's life is ruined. It's bliss. Bliss?! More like ignorance. Men feel that they are entitled to treat women however they want. Be in men in powerful positions or men working on a scaffolding shouting obscenities at girls/women passing by. The list is endless. And men such as Donald Trump or Boris Johnson continue to fuel the fires of misogyny. If you talk to women or actually more importantly listen to women, then you will realise how brutal it is to be discriminated against throughout your life. It needs to change and the way it changes is through education. Boys & men need to be educated. If you think that this is a men only thing then then you are totally wrong. You have misused the word " misogyny " It means the hatred of women in all things. A bit like the vastly missused word Phobia meaning irrational fear as opposed to hating something.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2023 9:20:00 GMT
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