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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 25, 2023 19:00:01 GMT
That's worrying 😳 We brought in 17 didn't we? 17:45 to 18:50 on here So he'll get a pretty big say in it then just as AN did.
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Post by collo68 on Dec 25, 2023 20:39:41 GMT
We need to try and get rid of Wesley as he’s only on a 1 year deal so someone may take over his contract and the same with Gayle. Then we have scope for a decent forward and a winger that can beat his man as Campbell is always injured so if he isn’t signing a new contract he may go as well.
Desperate for a left back and a Keeper.
I think the rest of the side is good enough to progress if they can stay fit
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Post by lordb on Dec 25, 2023 20:43:37 GMT
We need to try and get rid of Wesley as he’s only on a 1 year deal so someone may take over his contract and the same with Gayle. Then we have scope for a decent forward and a winger that can beat his man as Campbell is always injured so if he isn’t signing a new contract he may go as well. Desperate for a left back and a Keeper. I think the rest of the side is good enough to progress if they can stay fit Absolutely no one will take on either of their contracts in January
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Post by collo68 on Dec 25, 2023 20:48:28 GMT
We need to try and get rid of Wesley as he’s only on a 1 year deal so someone may take over his contract and the same with Gayle. Then we have scope for a decent forward and a winger that can beat his man as Campbell is always injured so if he isn’t signing a new contract he may go as well. Desperate for a left back and a Keeper. I think the rest of the side is good enough to progress if they can stay fit Absolutely no one will take on either of their contracts in January Loan with a longer term contract as neither have a future here. We can live in hope as realistically we have one option atm although I think Mmaee is getting better and will score goals but he needs some help and players around him
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Post by lordb on Dec 25, 2023 20:51:43 GMT
Absolutely no one will take on either of their contracts in January Loan with a longer term contract as neither have a future here. We can live in hope as realistically we have one option atm although I think Mmaee is getting better and will score goals but he needs some help and players around him A League 1 side might take Gayle on but how much of his £20k a week (that we pay, Newcastle pay him far far more) would they pay? 10% if we are very lucky, can't see it happening Wes is on even more money
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Post by collo68 on Dec 25, 2023 20:54:06 GMT
Loan with a longer term contract as neither have a future here. We can live in hope as realistically we have one option atm although I think Mmaee is getting better and will score goals but he needs some help and players around him A League 1 side might take Gayle on but how much of his £20k a week (that we pay, Newcastle pay him far far more) would they pay? 10% if we are very lucky, can't see it happening Wes is on even more money Someone might take a punt on Wesley as he went for big more money before, let’s keep our fingers crossed
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Post by Gods on Dec 25, 2023 21:55:57 GMT
A League 1 side might take Gayle on but how much of his £20k a week (that we pay, Newcastle pay him far far more) would they pay? 10% if we are very lucky, can't see it happening Wes is on even more money Someone might take a punt on Wesley as he went for big more money before, let’s keep our fingers crossed You have to pinch yourself to think this lumpen fella changed hands for twenty two million quid not so long ago don't you? Although in fairness we ourselves shelled out eighteen million quid on hapless Kevin Wimmer shortly before this. There must have been something in the water!
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Post by nonameface on Dec 26, 2023 19:17:18 GMT
Still deserve to be sacked, or are Vidigal, Mmaee and Burger decent players?
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Post by baconburger on Dec 26, 2023 19:25:12 GMT
Someone might take a punt on Wesley as he went for big more money before, let’s keep our fingers crossed You have to pinch yourself to think this lumpen fella changed hands for twenty two million quid not so long ago don't you? Although in fairness we ourselves shelled out eighteen million quid on hapless Kevin Wimmer shortly before this. There must have been something in the water! Pedantic but we paid £15M for Wimmer. It could have got to £18 eventually but I don’t suppose any of the add ons were triggered. Pulis payed £10M for Oliver Burke who just came on as a sub for Birmingham. SAF signed loads of nails for big money. Doubt there’s a manager out there past or present that hasn’t signed numerous. The more you spend doesn’t make it any less likely to turn out bad.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 26, 2023 19:26:13 GMT
Still deserve to be sacked, or are Vidigal, Mmaee and Burger decent players? The squad is evidently still unbalanced. The defence is still quite weak. You can’t just remodel a club top to bottom and then sack the backroom staff after one window though. Having a manager that wants his team to pass forwards and wants to play players in appropriate positions appears to be helping.
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Post by nonameface on Dec 26, 2023 19:32:22 GMT
Still deserve to be sacked, or are Vidigal, Mmaee and Burger decent players? The squad is evidently still unbalanced. The defence is still quite weak. You can’t just remodel a club top to bottom and then sack the backroom staff after one window though. Having a manager that wants his team to pass forwards and wants to play players in appropriate positions appears to be helping. Fair. We do look unbalanced, with a decent january window we could set ourselves up for a good next season. GK #1 LB Young like Junior to replace Enda CB Any that replaces Clark/McNally for next season In the summer sign CF to replace Wesley and Gayle. Rest to be decided based upon what our position and squad looks like then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 19:35:17 GMT
Again worth noting that Neil, presumably from his Sunderland spell, was pushing to sign Dion Sanderson who we ran ragged tonight. We’ll see what happens in January in terms of targets but hopefully we see more of the Burger, Bae, Mmaee and Tchamadeus and less of the Hoever/Pearson “he did a job on loan last year let’s keep him” signings.
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Post by DC1863 on Dec 26, 2023 19:39:22 GMT
Still deserve to be sacked, or are Vidigal, Mmaee and Burger decent players? You can’t just remodel a club top to bottom and then sack the backroom staff after one window though. This is my position, I can't understand what people were expecting, to become Brighton overnight? The bloke is 6 months into the role and had a matter of weeks to prepare to a huge overhaul in the summer. Of course there are areas we are short; GK, CB & ST, but it was never going to be a perfect window. Mmaee, Vidigal, Burger & Bae look like good finds. Arguably the brexit players have been the most disappointing; DJ, Pearson, Rose, Clark. I don't dislike them, I just expected more. How many of the overseas lads do we believe are poor signings? Leris? - I don't mind him against current popular opinion, decent squad player. Jojić? - We haven't seen the lad, can't really blame Dublin for that. I'm quite hopeful for January, let see what we've got planned.
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 26, 2023 19:40:47 GMT
Still deserve to be sacked, or are Vidigal, Mmaee and Burger decent players? He needs to be given time, some positive signs under a proper coach though. Let's see how the players are doing in a month or two, they are still getting used to the new manager and the way he wants them to play.
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Post by arniehudson on Dec 27, 2023 12:07:28 GMT
People are talking about the performance v Blues as one of the best since we went down. Bonham and Thompson were already here and Hoever returned . Even if you believe Gooch was a AN signing that still makes 7 starters signed on Dublin’s watch. I think it’s the first time we’ve started with Junior, Bae, Burger, Vidigall, Mmae, Rose and McNally all together and in their right positions. It’s a small sample size but it might just be that this squad is the start of something good. Let’s see what happens in January
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 27, 2023 14:56:45 GMT
I'm hoping for more signings that I've never heard of and that no other clubis interested in. Apart from obviously gk I'm not really worried about any particular position as I think the squad is adequate for what is needed this season (escaping relegation and an outside tilt at the playoffs perhaps).
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Post by baconburger on Dec 27, 2023 15:38:54 GMT
I'm hoping for more signings that I've never heard of and that no other clubis interested in. Apart from obviously gk I'm not really worried about any particular position as I think the squad is adequate for what is needed this season (escaping relegation and an outside tilt at the playoffs perhaps). Still don't think we've got a CF worthy of the title. Against my instincts they might find a use for Mmaee but I can't see it being as a lead the line striker, he's just far too soft.
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Post by kickfortouch on Dec 27, 2023 15:48:08 GMT
Last night was the first time Mmaee has been used properly all season. He was dropping deep and play others in, in a sort of Firmino role. As long as we have some pacy players around him (Vidigal and someone else) I still think he’ll turn out to be a good signing.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 28, 2023 8:02:55 GMT
Carbon copy of junior for LB please Jared.
Lascelles or similar for CB (is McKenna a leader at forest?) someone like Steve Cook would be prefect until the end of the season.
Travers is the obvious choice but I don’t trust them Cretins on the south coast to not fuck us over again. I wonder if Iverson has had his dreams crushed enough at Leicester to actually want to come now. Noticed he wasn’t in the squad Boxing Day.
And if a Saudi club want Gayle and Wesley let’s go get Asante.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 28, 2023 8:12:51 GMT
We need to try and get rid of Wesley as he’s only on a 1 year deal so someone may take over his contract and the same with Gayle. Then we have scope for a decent forward and a winger that can beat his man as Campbell is always injured so if he isn’t signing a new contract he may go as well. Desperate for a left back and a Keeper. I think the rest of the side is good enough to progress if they can stay fit Absolutely no one will take on either of their contracts in January Wesley last season scored 3 goals in 37 games for Levante in the Spanish second division. It worries me how our Recruitment Team thought how he was going to be our goal scoring machine based on that “data”.
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Post by satoshi on Dec 28, 2023 8:17:53 GMT
Absolutely no one will take on either of their contracts in January Wesley last season scored 3 goals in 37 games for Levante in the Spanish second division. It worries me how our Recruitment Team thought how he was going to be our goal scoring machine based on that “data”. He was worth a punt. He still could be useful under ss. He’s a cult hero at villa pre injury and has never been a goal machine. More a big mama style machine.
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Post by lordb on Dec 28, 2023 8:21:23 GMT
Absolutely no one will take on either of their contracts in January Wesley last season scored 3 goals in 37 games for Levante in the Spanish second division. It worries me how our Recruitment Team thought how he was going to be our goal scoring machine based on that “data”. Don’t think he was supposed to be that He was supposed to be the late sub to get on the end of Chiqourinho crosses if Ross Stewart hadn't already scored
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 28, 2023 8:25:50 GMT
Absolutely no one will take on either of their contracts in January Wesley last season scored 3 goals in 37 games for Levante in the Spanish second division. It worries me how our Recruitment Team thought how he was going to be our goal scoring machine based on that “data”. He wasn't brought in as a goal scoring machine - he was brought in as an outlet when Plan A wasn't working. Wesley was brought in specifically to be a squad player - he was never intended to be our main goal scorer. In those terms he's done a job. Whether the new manager thinks we need that sort of player going forward is another matter. Wesley always was a stop gap and will be gone in the summer. I really can't see why him being underwhelming is such an issue - he was a squad filler.
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 28, 2023 9:03:19 GMT
Absolutely no one will take on either of their contracts in January Wesley last season scored 3 goals in 37 games for Levante in the Spanish second division. It worries me how our Recruitment Team thought how he was going to be our goal scoring machine based on that “data”. I don’t think he was signed to get 20 a season, was definitely bought as ‘another option/plan B’ to go longer to either see games out of to pump the ball forward with the hope he’d chip in with a few goals.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 28, 2023 9:04:54 GMT
Wesley last season scored 3 goals in 37 games for Levante in the Spanish second division. It worries me how our Recruitment Team thought how he was going to be our goal scoring machine based on that “data”. He wasn't brought in as a goal scoring machine - he was brought in as an outlet when Plan A wasn't working. Wesley was brought in specifically to be a squad player - he was never intended to be our main goal scorer. In those terms he's done a job. Whether the new manager thinks we need that sort of player going forward is another matter. Wesley always was a stop gap and will be gone in the summer. I really can't see why him being underwhelming is such an issue - he was a squad filler. You don’t pay anyone £36,000 a week at this level particularly a squad filler. I don’t disagree neither he nor Mmaee were meant to be our main lead the line striker but we now have 2 strikers we’re paying a combined £56k a week contributing virtually nothing. It was a mistake and quite a major one.
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Post by idle on Dec 28, 2023 9:51:29 GMT
Burger was easily the best player on the pitch today. He is going to be our Sander Berge, I’m convinced Good call, but Berge is better defensively and Burger is better with the ball.
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Post by idle on Dec 28, 2023 9:54:15 GMT
He wasn't brought in as a goal scoring machine - he was brought in as an outlet when Plan A wasn't working. Wesley was brought in specifically to be a squad player - he was never intended to be our main goal scorer. In those terms he's done a job. Whether the new manager thinks we need that sort of player going forward is another matter. Wesley always was a stop gap and will be gone in the summer. I really can't see why him being underwhelming is such an issue - he was a squad filler. You don’t pay anyone £36,000 a week at this level particularly a squad filler. I don’t disagree neither he nor Mmaee were meant to be our main lead the line striker but we now have 2 strikers we’re paying a combined £56k a week contributing virtually nothing. It was a mistake and quite a major one. You do when you're desperate, as AN clearly was. £36k/wk isn't that much when you pay no transfer fee. He will have cost us around £1.4M for the duration of the contract. You don't get a decent striker for that. Even BTA would have cost us ~£6M just for this year (minus any resale value, but I know we disagree on how much that would be)
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Post by baconburger on Dec 28, 2023 10:20:13 GMT
You don’t pay anyone £36,000 a week at this level particularly a squad filler. I don’t disagree neither he nor Mmaee were meant to be our main lead the line striker but we now have 2 strikers we’re paying a combined £56k a week contributing virtually nothing. It was a mistake and quite a major one. You do when you're desperate, as AN clearly was. £36k/wk isn't that much when you pay no transfer fee. He will have cost us around £1.4M for the duration of the contract. You don't get a decent striker for that. Even BTA would have cost us ~£6M just for this year (minus any resale value, but I know we disagree on how much that would be) BTA wouldn’t have cost £6M and the outlay would have been spread over the length of his contract and yes due to his age it would be highly unlikely to not have a reasonable sell on value even if he wasn’t a success, see Surridge, Doughty. Wesley is the complete opposite there is very little upside in the deal. If he’s shit like he is he’s a millstone if he’s successful he walks to a bigger club in the Summer for free. I really wish we’d learn our lessons and stop doing deals with no upside. The deals that were billed as being for the here and now have been crap.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 28, 2023 13:34:20 GMT
Wesley last season scored 3 goals in 37 games for Levante in the Spanish second division. It worries me how our Recruitment Team thought how he was going to be our goal scoring machine based on that “data”. He wasn't brought in as a goal scoring machine - he was brought in as an outlet when Plan A wasn't working. Wesley was brought in specifically to be a squad player - he was never intended to be our main goal scorer. In those terms he's done a job. Whether the new manager thinks we need that sort of player going forward is another matter. Wesley always was a stop gap and will be gone in the summer. I really can't see why him being underwhelming is such an issue - he was a squad filler. This. He wasn’t a signing based on data, he was a last-minute panic short term squad filler because we had no deputy or Plan B for Mmaee. I disagree though when you say he’s ‘done a job’. He’s been useless, even as a target man.
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Post by collo68 on Dec 28, 2023 13:48:20 GMT
I don’t think Wesley will be here. His agent will be trying to tout him around to a club abroad as he’s not playing here and has a short term contract
With any luck we can then bring someone else in on loan with a view to a permanent signing
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