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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 24, 2023 9:22:27 GMT
The squad was so threadbare this summer, we needed far more of these signings to have come off than actually have.
There were always going to be some misses, but we now have gaping holes in the starting 'Best' XI not just the squad.
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Post by thornestein on Dec 24, 2023 10:25:06 GMT
The squad was so threadbare this summer, we needed far more of these signings to have come off than actually have. There were always going to be some misses, but we now have gaping holes in the starting 'Best' XI not just the squad. always going be a gamble signing players off data
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 24, 2023 10:27:22 GMT
His signings have been decent, they just need time to adapt. Some have only been here for 5 months. Mmaee looks technically very good, needs a bit more confidence, players alot closer to him and with time his decision making will be alot quicker. Vidigal showed at the start of the season he's technically good, lacks pace to just run past people, but he needs to gain confidence and to toughen up. Leris has been a cheap version of Brown, he may perform better down the middle as he doesn't appear to have a trick or pace to go past a player. Wesley, very limited mobility, but good at holding the ball up. How did we sign the only brazilian lad like that? Pearson, only signed because of Neil, is a limited ball sitting midfielder, but hes one of the better ones in the league. Johnson, only signed because of Neil, decent enough for this league. Burger lacks mobility, but has good control of the ball and passing range. Junho lacks pace out wide, needs to learn to pass the ball slightly quicker but his vision is pretty good. Technically decent too. Stevens, no worse or better than anything before. Rose has been punished for playing too high a line. Jojic, unknown. Haks, looks a technically competent player, has played about three seconds of the season so far McNally, decent player as he showed at Coventry Hoever, okay, not so good this season. Junior, looks a good solid option for the future. For me we just havent played to their strengths, they are good enough and after technically better than we've had before. Neil made every player a poorer one with us whilst he was he. Which one player did he improve? Hopefully Steve will show how to coach! Is that you Jared? If that description was anywhere remotely near we wouldn’t be languishing in the depths that we are. We look absolutely dreadful. Why? Don't just make that comment without telling us which assessments you disagree with. I think it is a very fair resumee of the players we bought. As I said before, half of the ones who are distinctly average were, I think Neil lead rather than Jared suggestions.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 24, 2023 10:29:11 GMT
The squad was so threadbare this summer, we needed far more of these signings to have come off than actually have. There were always going to be some misses, but we now have gaping holes in the starting 'Best' XI not just the squad. I wouldn't call them gaping holes. Yes they are definitely there but we have covered them adequately and hopefully will close them in January.
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Post by Gods on Dec 24, 2023 10:34:55 GMT
I hope Dublin won't have his little black book out again in January and R.Martin butts out of it too.
We can't afford a second helping of the summer fiasco.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 24, 2023 10:36:20 GMT
The squad was so threadbare this summer, we needed far more of these signings to have come off than actually have. There were always going to be some misses, but we now have gaping holes in the starting 'Best' XI not just the squad. I wouldn't call them gaping holes. Yes they are definitely there but we have covered them adequately and hopefully will close them in January. I wouldn't say our current league position confirms that somewhat optimistic analysis to be honest.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 24, 2023 10:39:14 GMT
I imagine this guy is on thin ice, or at least I hope he is.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 24, 2023 10:41:18 GMT
I wouldn't call them gaping holes. Yes they are definitely there but we have covered them adequately and hopefully will close them in January. I wouldn't say our current league position confirms that somewhat optimistic analysis to be honest. We have needlessly thrown points away because of individual errors not because of not having a balanced squad. Yesterday was a typical example of us controlling the game but trying to throw it away because of an error by Mcnally who is a good Championship centre half, playing alongside another experienced Championship centre half, not because Gooch was playing left back.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 24, 2023 10:48:36 GMT
I wouldn't say our current league position confirms that somewhat optimistic analysis to be honest. We have needlessly thrown points away because of individual errors not because of not having a balanced squad. Yesterday was a typical example of us controlling the game but trying to throw it away because of an error by Mcnally who is a good Championship centre half, playing alongside another experienced Championship centre half, not because Gooch was playing left back. That's certainly one way of seeing it, but the current state of the defence, the attack and the obvious gamble on the Travis loan deal fit the 'glaring holes' analysis I think, personally. We need a good January transfer window to fix the problems.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 18:12:25 GMT
We have needlessly thrown points away because of individual errors not because of not having a balanced squad. Yesterday was a typical example of us controlling the game but trying to throw it away because of an error by Mcnally who is a good Championship centre half, playing alongside another experienced Championship centre half, not because Gooch was playing left back. That's certainly one way of seeing it, but the current state of the defence, the attack and the obvious gamble on the Travis loan deal fit the 'glaring holes' analysis I think, personally. We need a good January transfer window to fix the problems. The current state of the defence is one which has conceded 2 goals less than Ipswich. But hey let's not let facts get in the way of a popular agenda.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 24, 2023 18:25:22 GMT
That's certainly one way of seeing it, but the current state of the defence, the attack and the obvious gamble on the Travis loan deal fit the 'glaring holes' analysis I think, personally. We need a good January transfer window to fix the problems. The current state of the defence is one which has conceded 2 goals less than Ipswich. But hey let's not let facts get in the way of a popular agenda. They have the 3rd-worst GA in the top half, all that tells us is they are particularly defensively weak for such a high-performing team, not that anyone lower down is as “good” as them for conceding as many goals
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 18:30:02 GMT
The current state of the defence is one which has conceded 2 goals less than Ipswich. But hey let's not let facts get in the way of a popular agenda. They have the 3rd-worst GA in the top half, all that tells us is they are particularly defensively weak for such a high-performing team, not that anyone lower down is as “good” as them for conceding as many goals Our goals against column would not be out of place in the top half. Yet again Stoke fans completely mis diagnosing the problem. Just to be clear read the link, if you can tell me our defence is the problem you're an idiot. www.espn.co.uk/football/table/_/league/eng.2Plymouth have scored 16 goals more than us in 23 games.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 24, 2023 18:41:26 GMT
Our only hope is StS. Can he come in and put right the mess created by Neil and his chronies and save us from Division 1 and a trip to Vale Park?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 24, 2023 18:43:19 GMT
Our only hope is StS. Can he come in and put right the mess created by Neil and his chronies and save us from Division 1 and a trip to Vale Park? Hes not running recruitment Martin has made that abundantly clear , all roads lead to Burslem I’m afraid.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 24, 2023 18:44:44 GMT
Our only hope is StS. Can he come in and put right the mess created by Neil and his chronies and save us from Division 1 and a trip to Vale Park? Hes not running recruitment Martin has made that abundantly clear , all roads lead to Burslem I’m afraid. He will have a say surely.
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Post by bigvern on Dec 24, 2023 18:47:20 GMT
Our only hope is StS. Can he come in and put right the mess created by Neil and his chronies and save us from Division 1 and a trip to Vale Park? Hes not running recruitment Martin has made that abundantly clear , all roads lead to Burslem I’m afraid. A terrifying thought.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 24, 2023 18:48:35 GMT
Hes not running recruitment Martin has made that abundantly clear , all roads lead to Burslem I’m afraid. He will have a say surely. He was shown the 10 slide presentation of the Jan signings (from the interview with RM&SS)
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 24, 2023 18:49:41 GMT
Hes not running recruitment Martin has made that abundantly clear , all roads lead to Burslem I’m afraid. He will have a say surely. They say do but if yiuf offered three left backs and dint want any it’s a tough decision to say no thanks I’ll stick and front test out first month in with the abyss staring yiun in the face he’s allegedly already Been presented with a list of possible targets
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 24, 2023 19:01:05 GMT
They have the 3rd-worst GA in the top half, all that tells us is they are particularly defensively weak for such a high-performing team, not that anyone lower down is as “good” as them for conceding as many goals Our goals against column would not be out of place in the top half. Yet again Stoke fans completely mis diagnosing the problem. Just to be clear read the link, if you can tell me our defence is the problem you're an idiot. www.espn.co.uk/football/table/_/league/eng.2Plymouth have scored 16 goals more than us in 23 games. I mean our GF is woeful and our GA is bang average, neither are good enough are they
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 19:11:36 GMT
Our goals against column would not be out of place in the top half. Yet again Stoke fans completely mis diagnosing the problem. Just to be clear read the link, if you can tell me our defence is the problem you're an idiot. www.espn.co.uk/football/table/_/league/eng.2Plymouth have scored 16 goals more than us in 23 games. I mean our GF is woeful and our GA is bang average, neither are good enough are they Our GF sticks out like a sore thumb and our GA is not restrictive . Thinking otherwise is bonkers a bit like going to a doctor with a lump on your head and him diagnosing in growing toe nails. All attempts to mitigate rather than face upto the problem are doomed. Obviously if we could cut some of the individual errors out of our defending it could only be pleasing but scoring less than a goal a game just isn’t realistically sustainable.
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Post by nonameface on Dec 24, 2023 19:12:43 GMT
They have the 3rd-worst GA in the top half, all that tells us is they are particularly defensively weak for such a high-performing team, not that anyone lower down is as “good” as them for conceding as many goals Our goals against column would not be out of place in the top half. Yet again Stoke fans completely mis diagnosing the problem. Just to be clear read the link, if you can tell me our defence is the problem you're an idiot. www.espn.co.uk/football/table/_/league/eng.2Plymouth have scored 16 goals more than us in 23 games. Appreciate your point and it's a fair one, but it's possibly too simplistic a view. The midfield and forward line in the last 10+ games has been dropping deeper and deeper once the high press has been attempted, in an attempt to make it so we stop conceding goals where the opposition don't even have to try. Doing so has made it so we look toothless, moving the ball slower, over longer distances into areas where we create low quality chances. Crazy thing is, we've still been conceding goals that were very preventable. We need to open up and not be afraid of conceding a goal. Push higher up, get a keeper who leads the back, decent left sided centre back who is as good on the ball as wilmot, and get a left back to be a successor for Enda. Probably the three most important changes where the cost shouldn't be crazy. A mobile target up front would be great, but a decent one is going to cost, possibly be too prohibitive.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 24, 2023 19:15:50 GMT
We start with no more than 2 attackers and have set up to defend at all costs because the defence is so fucking bad.
We haven’t played with a balanced side all season.
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Post by pushon on Dec 24, 2023 19:16:58 GMT
He will have a say surely. He was shown the 10 slide presentation of the Jan signings (from the interview with RM&SS) That's worrying 😳 We brought in 17 didn't we?
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 19:18:51 GMT
Our goals against column would not be out of place in the top half. Yet again Stoke fans completely mis diagnosing the problem. Just to be clear read the link, if you can tell me our defence is the problem you're an idiot. www.espn.co.uk/football/table/_/league/eng.2Plymouth have scored 16 goals more than us in 23 games. Appreciate your point and it's a fair one, but it's possibly too simplistic a view. The midfield and forward line in the last 10+ games has been dropping deeper and deeper once the high press has been attempted, in an attempt to make it so we stop conceding goals where the opposition don't even have to try. Doing so has made it so we look toothless, moving the ball slower, over longer distances into areas where we create low quality chances. Crazy thing is, we've still been conceding goals that were very preventable. We need to open up and not be afraid of conceding a goal. Push higher up, get a keeper who leads the back, decent left sided centre back who is as good on the ball as wilmot, and get a left back to be a successor for Enda. Probably the three most important changes where the cost shouldn't be crazy. A mobile target up front would be great, but a decent one is going to cost, possibly be too prohibitive. Naah sorry our lack of goals has been a season long problem barring games vs Rotherham it’s not something that has appeared recently. It’s excusable in that I don’t think any of these players were envisioned to be our main forward, we missed our targets. What’s inexcusable is burying your head in the sand. There are plenty of worse defences in this division and very few worse attacking units.
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Post by pushon on Dec 24, 2023 19:22:19 GMT
Our goals against column would not be out of place in the top half. Yet again Stoke fans completely mis diagnosing the problem. Just to be clear read the link, if you can tell me our defence is the problem you're an idiot. www.espn.co.uk/football/table/_/league/eng.2Plymouth have scored 16 goals more than us in 23 games. Appreciate your point and it's a fair one, but it's possibly too simplistic a view. The midfield and forward line in the last 10+ games has been dropping deeper and deeper once the high press has been attempted, in an attempt to make it so we stop conceding goals where the opposition don't even have to try. Doing so has made it so we look toothless, moving the ball slower, over longer distances into areas where we create low quality chances. Crazy thing is, we've still been conceding goals that were very preventable. We need to open up and not be afraid of conceding a goal. Push higher up, get a keeper who leads the back, decent left sided centre back who is as good on the ball as wilmot, and get a left back to be a successor for Enda. Probably the three most important changes where the cost shouldn't be crazy. A mobile target up front would be great, but a decent one is going to cost, possibly be too prohibitive. 😢 I was feeling optimistic that we'd at last got a new manager, oops sorry, coach. Then you come in being all realistic.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 19:23:56 GMT
Appreciate your point and it's a fair one, but it's possibly too simplistic a view. The midfield and forward line in the last 10+ games has been dropping deeper and deeper once the high press has been attempted, in an attempt to make it so we stop conceding goals where the opposition don't even have to try. Doing so has made it so we look toothless, moving the ball slower, over longer distances into areas where we create low quality chances. Crazy thing is, we've still been conceding goals that were very preventable. We need to open up and not be afraid of conceding a goal. Push higher up, get a keeper who leads the back, decent left sided centre back who is as good on the ball as wilmot, and get a left back to be a successor for Enda. Probably the three most important changes where the cost shouldn't be crazy. A mobile target up front would be great, but a decent one is going to cost, possibly be too prohibitive. 😢 I was feeling optimistic that we'd at last got a new manager, oops sorry, coach. Then you come in being all realistic. He’s only a coach not fucking Jesus himself with a box of miracles.
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Post by nonameface on Dec 24, 2023 19:36:12 GMT
Appreciate your point and it's a fair one, but it's possibly too simplistic a view. The midfield and forward line in the last 10+ games has been dropping deeper and deeper once the high press has been attempted, in an attempt to make it so we stop conceding goals where the opposition don't even have to try. Doing so has made it so we look toothless, moving the ball slower, over longer distances into areas where we create low quality chances. Crazy thing is, we've still been conceding goals that were very preventable. We need to open up and not be afraid of conceding a goal. Push higher up, get a keeper who leads the back, decent left sided centre back who is as good on the ball as wilmot, and get a left back to be a successor for Enda. Probably the three most important changes where the cost shouldn't be crazy. A mobile target up front would be great, but a decent one is going to cost, possibly be too prohibitive. Naah sorry our lack of goals has been a season long problem barring games vs Rotherham it’s not something that has appeared recently. It’s excusable in that I don’t think any of these players were envisioned to be our main forward, we missed our targets. What’s inexcusable is burying your head in the sand. There are plenty of worse defences in this division and very few worse attacking units. We were creating chances at the start of the season. We don't now, regularly having an XG of less than 1 per game, with lots of that created from many low scoring chances, so we are very unlikely to score. Again, at the start of the season we created better chances.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 24, 2023 19:40:51 GMT
He was shown the 10 slide presentation of the Jan signings (from the interview with RM&SS) That's worrying 😳 We brought in 17 didn't we? 17:45 to 18:50 on here
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 24, 2023 19:53:51 GMT
I went over to watch our two first games versus Rotherham in the league and WBA in the cup and was really optimistic when going back to Norway, but since then we have been moving in the wrong direction. Unfortunately I won't be back before Easter and hope it won't be too late!
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 25, 2023 17:52:24 GMT
That's certainly one way of seeing it, but the current state of the defence, the attack and the obvious gamble on the Travis loan deal fit the 'glaring holes' analysis I think, personally. We need a good January transfer window to fix the problems. The current state of the defence is one which has conceded 2 goals less than Ipswich. But hey let's not let facts get in the way of a popular agenda. It's the manner in which we concede goals I have a particular problem with and the time when they are conceded. I was directly addressing the statement that there were no 'glaring holes' in recruitment* over the summer, in response to a previous post and that included the attack. But hey, let's just sarcastically add a final sentence, picking up half of my point, in order to generate some antagonism? * a window that left us needing to bring in an emergency centre back ( Ciaran Clark ) and risked relying on a loan for our goalkeeper ( something that was ultimately a dodgy decision )
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