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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 16, 2023 15:21:49 GMT
Maybe a loan with a view to the future. Been out for over a year so it was always doubtfull he would play every game. I wouldn't say dreadful, we are after all not going anywhere this season. We had half a season to go somewhere at the time. The lack of any desire to try was disappointing. I don’t get the argument that we didn’t try?
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 16, 2023 15:34:09 GMT
We had half a season to go somewhere at the time. The lack of any desire to try was disappointing. I don’t get the argument that we didn’t try? We signed a defender who was never going to be fit to replace one that was a guaranteed first choice as he was getting fit. We decided that we didn’t need a striker despite being thin on the ground before letting Delap go. We decided not to spend despite it being clear that a target man was essential. It looked like the goal was “let’s just wait till next year”. The league was atrocious all season and we had the money to make a stab of it but we decided not to bother. We’ve had a few good games since AN took charge but by and large, it’s been crap football in a crap league. We’ve lost more than we’ve won and I’ve been SO bored watching this team for all but a very brief period. We definitely didn’t try to go for it in January, we decided to wait and see. It’ll be interesting to see how next season pans out but the poor quality of this year meant that we still had a decent chance of going somewhere. At this rate, we have no chance of finishing in the top half again.
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Post by march4 on Apr 16, 2023 15:34:23 GMT
1 Keep any loanees the manager rates. 2 Big strong, mobile goal-scoring centre forward. 3 Big strong, mobile, pacy centre back. 4 Game changer winger. 5 Experienced competent goalkeeper.
I would use the Souttar money plus money from the proceeds of selling Tymon and Baker. Releasing Powell will add extra wages for new signings.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 16, 2023 15:45:46 GMT
I don’t get the argument that we didn’t try? We signed a defender who was never going to be fit to replace one that was a guaranteed first choice as he was getting fit. We decided that we didn’t need a striker despite being thin on the ground before letting Delap go. We decided not to spend despite it being clear that a target man was essential. It looked like the goal was “let’s just wait till next year”. The league was atrocious all season and we had the money to make a stab of it but we decided not to bother. We’ve had a few good games since AN took charge but by and large, it’s been crap football in a crap league. We’ve lost more than we’ve won and I’ve been SO bored watching this team for all but a very brief period. We definitely didn’t try to go for it in January, we decided to wait and see. It’ll be interesting to see how next season pans out but the poor quality of this year meant that we still had a decent chance of going somewhere. At this rate, we have no chance of finishing in the top half again. We weren't in a position to 'go for it' were we? Tuanzebe to me seemed like a last-ditch, panicky gamble because we desperately needed a centre half and hadn't been able to get one over the line/ Did we 'decide' we didn't need a striker or were we just not able to do a deal? You rarely get absolutely everything you need in one window and January, notoriously, isn't the window to do that either. It was essential we got some quick fixes in to get us to safety and we've done that. The manager said he wanted to try and do some permanent deals but that we hadn't been able to. I think the silver lining of the last couple of results might be to temper expectations a bit because there's still a hell of a lot of work to be done and it's unlikely that we'll transform overnight. We've had a taster of what might be possible and hopefully we can build a team ultimately capable of delivering that more consistently.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 16, 2023 15:59:00 GMT
We signed a defender who was never going to be fit to replace one that was a guaranteed first choice as he was getting fit. We decided that we didn’t need a striker despite being thin on the ground before letting Delap go. We decided not to spend despite it being clear that a target man was essential. It looked like the goal was “let’s just wait till next year”. The league was atrocious all season and we had the money to make a stab of it but we decided not to bother. We’ve had a few good games since AN took charge but by and large, it’s been crap football in a crap league. We’ve lost more than we’ve won and I’ve been SO bored watching this team for all but a very brief period. We definitely didn’t try to go for it in January, we decided to wait and see. It’ll be interesting to see how next season pans out but the poor quality of this year meant that we still had a decent chance of going somewhere. At this rate, we have no chance of finishing in the top half again. We weren't in a position to 'go for it' were we? Tuanzebe to me seemed like a last-ditch, panicky gamble because we desperately needed a centre half and hadn't been able to get one over the line/ Did we 'decide' we didn't need a striker or were we just not able to do a deal? You rarely get absolutely everything you need in one window and January, notoriously, isn't the window to do that either. It was essential we got some quick fixes in to get us to safety and we've done that. The manager said he wanted to try and do some permanent deals but that we hadn't been able to. I think the silver lining of the last couple of results might be to temper expectations a bit because there's still a hell of a lot of work to be done and it's unlikely that we'll transform overnight. We've had a taster of what might be possible and hopefully we can build a team ultimately capable of delivering that more consistently. We most certainly were in a position to go for it. We had 20 games to make up 9 points. It was hardly an Everest to climb. If the Tuanzebe being a panic signing is true, then the poor planning from those in charge is just rinse and repeat Stoke.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 16, 2023 16:03:10 GMT
We signed a defender who was never going to be fit to replace one that was a guaranteed first choice as he was getting fit. We decided that we didn’t need a striker despite being thin on the ground before letting Delap go. We decided not to spend despite it being clear that a target man was essential. It looked like the goal was “let’s just wait till next year”. The league was atrocious all season and we had the money to make a stab of it but we decided not to bother. We’ve had a few good games since AN took charge but by and large, it’s been crap football in a crap league. We’ve lost more than we’ve won and I’ve been SO bored watching this team for all but a very brief period. We definitely didn’t try to go for it in January, we decided to wait and see. It’ll be interesting to see how next season pans out but the poor quality of this year meant that we still had a decent chance of going somewhere. At this rate, we have no chance of finishing in the top half again. We weren't in a position to 'go for it' were we? Tuanzebe to me seemed like a last-ditch, panicky gamble because we desperately needed a centre half and hadn't been able to get one over the line/ Did we 'decide' we didn't need a striker or were we just not able to do a deal? You rarely get absolutely everything you need in one window and January, notoriously, isn't the window to do that either. It was essential we got some quick fixes in to get us to safety and we've done that. The manager said he wanted to try and do some permanent deals but that we hadn't been able to. I think the silver lining of the last couple of results might be to temper expectations a bit because there's still a hell of a lot of work to be done and it's unlikely that we'll transform overnight. We've had a taster of what might be possible and hopefully we can build a team ultimately capable of delivering that more consistently. I know it’s gone a bit stale but I do trust AN more than our previous 3 managers. He seems to have a plan and a system he wants to play too he just wasn’t able to get all the players he wanted in the last window but you can see what he was at least trying to do and that it wasn’t just him going with a scattergun approach. This pre season could be the most exciting a summer in many a year with a relatively blank canvas. I’m not as desperate over us losing the loanees as I was after the last few performances as I believe he’ll find equally good players for next season. I hope Pearson and Sterling join as I think they’re the most likely and both are good players at this level. As a priority I’d say we need GK DM CB Target Man RB LB
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 16, 2023 16:19:06 GMT
We weren't in a position to 'go for it' were we? Tuanzebe to me seemed like a last-ditch, panicky gamble because we desperately needed a centre half and hadn't been able to get one over the line/ Did we 'decide' we didn't need a striker or were we just not able to do a deal? You rarely get absolutely everything you need in one window and January, notoriously, isn't the window to do that either. It was essential we got some quick fixes in to get us to safety and we've done that. The manager said he wanted to try and do some permanent deals but that we hadn't been able to. I think the silver lining of the last couple of results might be to temper expectations a bit because there's still a hell of a lot of work to be done and it's unlikely that we'll transform overnight. We've had a taster of what might be possible and hopefully we can build a team ultimately capable of delivering that more consistently. We most certainly were in a position to go for it. We had 20 games to make up 9 points. It was hardly an Everest to climb. If the Tuanzebe being a panic signing is true, then the poor planning from those in charge is just rinse and repeat Stoke. The January window isn't the one where you can plan calmly and serenely and take your pick. It's a jumble sale, the TK Maxx marketplace that teams have to make the best of. We weren't in a position to splash the cash and it wasn't that we didn't try to bring in players on permanent deals, we just weren't able to.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2023 16:22:36 GMT
1 Keep any loanees the manager rates. 2 Big strong, mobile goal-scoring centre forward. 3 Big strong, mobile, pacy centre back. 4 Game changer winger. 5 Experienced competent goalkeeper. I would use the Souttar money plus money from the proceeds of selling Tymon and Baker. Releasing Powell will add extra wages for new signings. He rates Smallbone though. And that’s a big problem.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 16, 2023 16:54:14 GMT
1 Keep any loanees the manager rates. 2 Big strong, mobile goal-scoring centre forward. 3 Big strong, mobile, pacy centre back. 4 Game changer winger. 5 Experienced competent goalkeeper. I would use the Souttar money plus money from the proceeds of selling Tymon and Baker. Releasing Powell will add extra wages for new signings. He rates Smallbone though. And that’s a big problem. He’s a good player if played right. Been a bit off the last couple of games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2023 16:56:18 GMT
He rates Smallbone though. And that’s a big problem. He’s a good player if played right. Been a bit off the last couple of games. He’s just basic and your typical MoN signing imo. He doesn’t do anything particularly well bar run around a bit.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 16, 2023 16:57:59 GMT
Tuanzebe wasn't a transfer - he's a loan. In fact we didn't make a single transfer in the January window. The whole point of the business in January was to bank the money for the summer when the options in the market are far better and bring in players who would ensure we avoided relegation. It was a gamble but it looks like it will come off so in terms of what was intended the window was a success. It was only bad business if you think the purpose was to improve our squad for next year which it clearly hasn't but that was never the aim anyway. Most if not all of the loans won't be here next season so it's completely pointless moaning about them being bad business because they've done their job for relatively little outlay and we have no long term commitment so even if they haven't turned out to be what we need its no big deal. They are transfers 🤣🤣🤣 Strictly speaking they are loan transfers - your post would only make sense if those loans were permanent. As they are temporary the fact that some haven't worked out in terms of the long term is irrelevant.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2023 17:00:16 GMT
Strictly speaking they are loan transfers - your post would only make sense if those loans were permanent. As they are temporary the fact that some haven't worked out in terms of the long term is irrelevant. I didn’t mention the long term. In the short term it’s been poor.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 16, 2023 17:07:54 GMT
Strictly speaking they are loan transfers - your post would only make sense if those loans were permanent. As they are temporary the fact that some haven't worked out in terms of the long term is irrelevant. I didn’t mention the long term. In the short term it’s been poor. We were relegation candidates in January - we were never going to do anything more than avoid it. The loans have doen what they were brough in to do - in terms of what we were trying to achieve its been a success.
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Post by march4 on Apr 16, 2023 18:09:02 GMT
1 Keep any loanees the manager rates. 2 Big strong, mobile goal-scoring centre forward. 3 Big strong, mobile, pacy centre back. 4 Game changer winger. 5 Experienced competent goalkeeper. I would use the Souttar money plus money from the proceeds of selling Tymon and Baker. Releasing Powell will add extra wages for new signings. He rates Smallbone though. And that’s a big problem. I know, mate. Let’s hope he’s addicted to oatcakes and lobby.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Apr 16, 2023 18:19:30 GMT
Maybe a loan with a view to the future. Been out for over a year so it was always doubtfull he would play every game. I wouldn't say dreadful, we are after all not going anywhere this season. We had half a season to go somewhere at the time. The lack of any desire to try was disappointing. We did sell our best defender, the chances of bringing in a top replacement in January were always going to be quite slim.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 18:41:24 GMT
I do think AN / Ricky Martin did a better job than MoN and co in the summer. The average quality of player coming in was better. And they were smart to quickly clear the decks of what they didn't want early doors , even if that meant waiting to hopefully get what they do want. They did a decent job.
Moving forward, that's not enough. We need players that are not only good quality but usually fit to play . Clubs might want to offload players with dodgy injury records like sarkic tuanzebe and co but we need players who are usually fit to play. If sarkic is out lots Bonham plays lots , if tuanzebe is out lots , jags plays lots etc . We end up with higher earners sat in the stands and second stringers on the pitch. Not easy, because everyone wants good players with a good injury record. But it's not good for us to have half a raft of high earners sat in the stands ( Powell clucas sarkic tuanzebe) As mentioned earlier we need a plan B , a physical target man , a tricky winger , to get at teams who come to the bet365 to sit deep and not let anyone in behind ( most of the bottom half of the championship except Swansea all the way up to Millwall.
We need more durable first teamers good for 30 / 40 games a season and a plan B.
If the marketing department of Stoke city think the fans will take another season of 0 v0 draws and 0v1 defeats against the bottom half of the championship. In games endlessly lacking in inspiration. They are mistaken.
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 16, 2023 18:44:18 GMT
Does any one think we will go back in for Nathan Redmond if we did go for him in January as reports suggested
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 16, 2023 19:17:05 GMT
I am pretty sure Redmond would be towards the top of the manager's wish list this summer.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 16, 2023 19:34:14 GMT
I am pretty sure Redmond would be towards the top of the manager's wish list this summer. Five years ago, maybe but at nearly 30 I don’t think so. In any case isn’t he earning a kings ransom at Besiktas?
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 16, 2023 19:39:47 GMT
Goalkeeper (Sarkic) Central defenders x 2 (pace and height x 2) Left back Right back x 2 (Sterling + Hoever) Central midfielders x 2 (Pearson + one) Winger (Redmond) Targetman
At least!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 16, 2023 19:53:24 GMT
Does any one think we will go back in for Nathan Redmond if we did go for him in January as reports suggested Mark Hughes tried to sign him before he was sacked
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 16, 2023 19:56:23 GMT
Sterling should be our number one target, he will only get better.
Pearson I would be happy with but I certainly wouldn’t be ending my search there as it’s not beyond the realms of possibility there’s a younger more dynamic version of him out there.
I like Hoever but his contract at Wolves is a problem and I’d rather see us sign a natural left back.
Sarkic was decent but I certainly was t blown away by him and he seems to have the knack of picking up injuries
Celina no way, show pony.
Smallbone won’t happen if Southampton go down and that doesn’t particularly upset me, presses well but I see little else.
Tuanzabe I wouldn’t touch with a barge pole I don’t care how good he is when he plays.
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 16, 2023 21:07:04 GMT
Goalkeeper (Sarkic) Central defenders x 2 (pace and height x 2) Left back Right back x 2 (Sterling + Hoever) Central midfielders x 2 (Pearson + one) Winger (Redmond) Targetman At least! We need a LB too as he obviously doesn’t fancy Tymon.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 17, 2023 10:06:55 GMT
Goalkeeper (Sarkic) Central defenders x 2 (pace and height x 2) Left back Right back x 2 (Sterling + Hoever) Central midfielders x 2 (Pearson + one) Winger (Redmond) Targetman At least! We need a LB too as he obviously doesn’t fancy Tymon. Ryan Manning from Swansea, who's pretty much the best LB in the division, is available on a free this summer so we really should be going balls deep for him. I would be sad to lose Josh as he is a superb WB and I still think he can be coached into being an effective LB as he has the raw tools, but if we got Manning then it might work well for both parties if a transfer to Swansea can be arranged for Josh.
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 17, 2023 10:18:09 GMT
We need a LB too as he obviously doesn’t fancy Tymon. Ryan Manning from Swansea, who's pretty much the best LB in the division, is available on a free this summer so we really should be going balls deep for him. I would be sad to lose Josh as he is a superb WB and I still think he can be coached into being an effective LB as he has the raw tools, but if we got Manning then it might work well for both parties if a transfer to Swansea can be arranged for Josh. Wherever Manning is going, he’ll already have a deal agreed and lined up. He’s told Swans he’s not staying so he’ll 100% have something done already. Who knows whether that’s with us or someone else. With no fee though, half the league will have been after him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 10:18:21 GMT
I trust AN , more than recent managers too.
He has a difficult job . We need good first team players , with good attitude and good injury records.
As does everybody else in the league. Somehow, he has to get those players to come to Stoke .
Recruitment is everything.
Good luck to him
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Post by ilikelamp on Apr 17, 2023 13:50:53 GMT
From the Wigan conference
How busy will Stoke be this summer?
Alex Neil suggests that in an ideal summer you would like to sign four or five players but this one is looking like double that. His subsequent explanation suggests even that might be an underestimation.
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 17, 2023 13:54:54 GMT
From the Wigan conference How busy will Stoke be this summer? Alex Neil suggests that in an ideal summer you would like to sign four or five players but this one is looking like double that. His subsequent explanation suggests even that might be an underestimation. It will be 10+ easy given how low on numbers we are.
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 17, 2023 14:50:54 GMT
From the Wigan conference How busy will Stoke be this summer? Alex Neil suggests that in an ideal summer you would like to sign four or five players but this one is looking like double that. His subsequent explanation suggests even that might be an underestimation. It will be 10+ easy given how low on numbers we are. It’s got to be easily that many , I just he gets it right , I’m still dubious about the January window
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 17, 2023 15:07:14 GMT
I don’t get the argument that we didn’t try? The league was atrocious all season and we had the money to make a stab of it but we decided not to bother. We were over budget at the begining of January, We only had money 24 hours before the window shut. If we'd have tried push the Souttar deal through earlier we'd have recieved far less than what we got. We could have been daft on transfer deadline day and wasted what money we had but the smart move definately was to wait for next season.
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