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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 17, 2023 9:37:19 GMT
On both occasions there was an element of play acting - so the Bournemouth association with cheating may have some merit. Wherever it comes from I hope he stops it - it's embarrassing and in those cases ineffective. He was shithousing years before he was at Bournemouth, as his performances for Preston against us demonstrated. Cracking little player, very snide with it, but I daresay a lot of the best DMs are.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 17, 2023 9:51:11 GMT
I'd be surprised myself doesn't stop me thinking it's the right thing to do. He's a real difference maker when fit and I still don't think that there is anything Smallbone does that Nick doesn't do better. I know AN doesn't agree but given a choice between a fit Powell and a fit Smallbone I'd take Powell everyday. What exactly is the point of wanting to retain a player you know the manager doesn't rate? It's just wasting a place in the squad. Dunno maybe hoping he’d see sense I suppose. He’s also shown a willingness to turn to him when necessary and I think that’s how he’s going to be have to be viewed unless he can produce a spell of sustained fitness and availability. A potential game changer that’s nice to have.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 17, 2023 9:53:45 GMT
On both occasions there was an element of play acting - so the Bournemouth association with cheating may have some merit. Wherever it comes from I hope he stops it - it's embarrassing and in those cases ineffective. He was shithousing years before he was at Bournemouth, as his performances for Preston against us demonstrated. Cracking little player, very snide with it, but I daresay a lot of the best DMs are. Must admit before he rocked up here that’s all I saw. His composure on the ball is a really nice surprise.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 17, 2023 18:44:52 GMT
On both occasions there was an element of play acting - so the Bournemouth association with cheating may have some merit. Wherever it comes from I hope he stops it - it's embarrassing and in those cases ineffective. He was shithousing years before he was at Bournemouth, as his performances for Preston against us demonstrated. Cracking little player, very snide with it, but I daresay a lot of the best DMs are. I remember him as an aggressive little bastard who would take a booking for the team - which is part and parcel of being a good DM - but not a snidey little shit who would play act and try to con the ref. I wouldn't associate that sort of crap with a Neil team but it is very Bournemouth so I wouldn't be surprised if that's where it's come from.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 17, 2023 19:38:13 GMT
He was shithousing years before he was at Bournemouth, as his performances for Preston against us demonstrated. Cracking little player, very snide with it, but I daresay a lot of the best DMs are. I remember him as an aggressive little bastard who would take a booking for the team - which is part and parcel of being a good DM - but not a snidey little shit who would play act and try to con the ref. I wouldn't associate that sort of crap with a Neil team but it is very Bournemouth so I wouldn't be surprised if that's where it's come from. Really? His Preston team were abundantly like that, can you not recall the game where Gallagher lamped Allen? Pearson was a snidey sod then too.
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Post by generationex on Mar 17, 2023 21:18:52 GMT
Strategically it was exactly what was needed: Make sure we stay up. Clear the decks. Wait for a new round of FFP.
It also demonstrated that AN knew what was needed too. It would have been a bonus to sign at least one player for the future but if the available resources involve signing Pearson that’s this box ticked.
I think it’s highly encouraging first window.
The idea of strategic recruitment has been an oddity in these parts since at least 2015.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 17, 2023 22:04:52 GMT
I remember him as an aggressive little bastard who would take a booking for the team - which is part and parcel of being a good DM - but not a snidey little shit who would play act and try to con the ref. I wouldn't associate that sort of crap with a Neil team but it is very Bournemouth so I wouldn't be surprised if that's where it's come from. Really? His Preston team were abundantly like that, can you not recall the game where Gallagher lamped Allen? Pearson was a snidey sod then too. Gallagher lamping Allen is a world apart from some wanker trying to buy a foul by play acting. It isn't the same thing.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 17, 2023 22:44:32 GMT
Really? His Preston team were abundantly like that, can you not recall the game where Gallagher lamped Allen? Pearson was a snidey sod then too. Gallagher lamping Allen is a world apart from some wanker trying to buy a foul by play acting. It isn't the same thing. Why, sorry? Does he get more points for a manlier foul or some bollocks like that? It was a snidey elbow off the ball, that side was riddled with it. They also had some good footballers too and played us off the park more than once. Pearson contributed to both sides of it.
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Post by miltonstokienew on Mar 18, 2023 1:37:04 GMT
I remember him as an aggressive little bastard who would take a booking for the team - which is part and parcel of being a good DM - but not a snidey little shit who would play act and try to con the ref. I wouldn't associate that sort of crap with a Neil team but it is very Bournemouth so I wouldn't be surprised if that's where it's come from. Really? His Preston team were abundantly like that, can you not recall the game where Gallagher lamped Allen? Pearson was a snidey sod then too. Don't you recall ? Be honest you got that out your notepad?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 18, 2023 17:38:35 GMT
Onus is on the board to make it happen now, those loan players all need bringing in next season.
Add a striker to that team and we'll go up
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 19, 2023 16:57:46 GMT
Tom Cairney from Fulham if we can't get Smallbone back? Top player at this level but hardly gets a kick in the Prem.. just a thought as I've got them on the tele.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 19, 2023 18:14:49 GMT
In answer to the original posts question…..about 10 players in different positions that can forge an extremely strong and coordinated 1st team match day squad.
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 19, 2023 18:16:09 GMT
Tom Cairney from Fulham if we can't get Smallbone back? Top player at this level but hardly gets a kick in the Prem.. just a thought as I've got them on the tele. He wouldn't take at least a 60% pay cut to join us 🙈 Jesus.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 19, 2023 18:35:16 GMT
Tom Cairney from Fulham if we can't get Smallbone back? Top player at this level but hardly gets a kick in the Prem.. just a thought as I've got them on the tele. He wouldn't take at least a 60% pay cut to join us 🙈 Jesus. Jesus is a regular for Arsenal, bit unrealistic.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2023 18:36:50 GMT
Really? His Preston team were abundantly like that, can you not recall the game where Gallagher lamped Allen? Pearson was a snidey sod then too. Don't you recall ? Be honest you got that out your notepad? I can just remember stuff, it’s seen as a form of witchcraft on here.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 19, 2023 20:14:01 GMT
It was obviously a gamble but arguably we didn’t have much choice when it comes to permanent signings, with how late the Souttar deal was finalised.
I’m not privy to what went on behind the scenes but I doubt it was down to a lack of effort or planning and it sounds like some players like people involved in deals may have been asking for too much.
We’ve got our powder dry for the Summer window which is normally where you can find better value. Signing Pearson permanently is key for me, it’d be nice if we can get others like Sterling but we’ll see.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2023 9:31:12 GMT
It’s still looking quite bad isn’t it?
Tuanzebe is an absolute waste of a transfer.
Celina is the same.
Hoever is neither here nor there.
Pearson has been good but hindered by being unfit imo.
Sarkic had an impact but will have been injured more than he’s played?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 16, 2023 9:34:40 GMT
It’s still looking quite bad isn’t it? Tuanzebe is an absolute waste of a transfer. Celina is the same. Hoever is neither here nor there. Pearson has been good but hindered by being unfit imo. Sarkic had an impact but will have been injured more than he’s played? Hence the concern when Neil says message is I know what’s required January suggests it’s hit and miss at best pearson a huge concern for me as we seem welded to him and for me he’s clearly been targeted by Boro , millwall , wba and Bristol city as a liability either as the last man on the ball or temperament wise .
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Post by chiswickpotter on Apr 16, 2023 11:57:48 GMT
It’s still looking quite bad isn’t it? Tuanzebe is an absolute waste of a transfer. Celina is the same. Hoever is neither here nor there. Pearson has been good but hindered by being unfit imo. Sarkic had an impact but will have been injured more than he’s played? Hence the concern when Neil says message is I know what’s required January suggests it’s hit and miss at best pearson a huge concern for me as we seem welded to him and for me he’s clearly been targeted by Boro , millwall , wba and Bristol city as a liability either as the last man on the ball or temperament wise . They did the job required in Jan - spend the minimum required to keep us up. Sarkic, Hoever (and Sterling earlier) all positives, Pearson is not as good as some of the commentary suggests but has done a job. Tuanzebe was a gamble and may still pay off if we get him on a cheap deal next year. Celina the only negative. Neil also did well as identifying who he didn’t need. Now is the test with money available. So far, Neil way better than his 3 predecessors
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2023 11:59:55 GMT
Hence the concern when Neil says message is I know what’s required January suggests it’s hit and miss at best pearson a huge concern for me as we seem welded to him and for me he’s clearly been targeted by Boro , millwall , wba and Bristol city as a liability either as the last man on the ball or temperament wise . They did the job required in Jan - spend the minimum required to keep us up. Sarkic, Hoever (and Sterling earlier) all positives, Pearson is not as good as some of the commentary suggests but has done a job. Tuanzebe was a gamble and may still pay off if we get him on a cheap deal next year. Celina the only negative. Neil also did well as identifying who he didn’t need. Now is the test with money available. So far, Neil way better than his 3 predecessors We needed a centre half and we go into next season needing two. We shouldn’t be going anywhere near Tuanzebe. It’s been a dreadful transfer.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Apr 16, 2023 13:16:49 GMT
They did the job required in Jan - spend the minimum required to keep us up. Sarkic, Hoever (and Sterling earlier) all positives, Pearson is not as good as some of the commentary suggests but has done a job. Tuanzebe was a gamble and may still pay off if we get him on a cheap deal next year. Celina the only negative. Neil also did well as identifying who he didn’t need. Now is the test with money available. So far, Neil way better than his 3 predecessors We needed a centre half and we go into next season needing two. We shouldn’t be going anywhere near Tuanzebe. It’s been a dreadful transfer. Maybe a loan with a view to the future. Been out for over a year so it was always doubtfull he would play every game. I wouldn't say dreadful, we are after all not going anywhere this season.
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 16, 2023 13:39:44 GMT
I hope Tuanzebe finally becomes the lesson learned in our recruitment department. Players with long term injuries and absences don’t suddenly fix themselves. How many times have we brought in crocks? Add these crocks to the ones you get through normal injuries and you are just asking for trouble. Having frail players also has a knock on with fit ones who end up getting no rest because those they could rotate are injured. Come on Stoke, learn from this and do diligence on injuries this summer.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 16, 2023 13:45:33 GMT
If Tuanzebe’s injury is related to his back injury that kept him out for so long, then he’s best avoided. For me only Pearson and Sterling make sense and then it’s all new faces. Any loans need to be carefully selected. It’s a massive job ahead and we all need to accept it’s as likely to fail as succeed.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 16, 2023 14:09:20 GMT
We failed to address the biggest issue, which was bringing in a target man. If we had done that in January, we may have had an outside sniff of the playoffs.
Tuanzebe has been a bit of a disaster. Sarkic was much better than I expected but was unlucky to get the injury. Hoever has been a lot better than expected.
Overall, I was disappointed that we just wrote off the season and gave up and I still feel that way now.
If AN can get us playing routinely like we did for about a month or so recently, I’d be happy.
Edit: on the 2nd Jan (with 20 games left), we were 9 points off 6th. The league was still tight and there was still everything to play for.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 16, 2023 14:13:41 GMT
It’s still looking quite bad isn’t it? Tuanzebe is an absolute waste of a transfer. Celina is the same. Hoever is neither here nor there. Pearson has been good but hindered by being unfit imo. Sarkic had an impact but will have been injured more than he’s played? Tuanzebe wasn't a transfer - he's a loan. In fact we didn't make a single transfer in the January window. The whole point of the business in January was to bank the money for the summer when the options in the market are far better and bring in players who would ensure we avoided relegation. It was a gamble but it looks like it will come off so in terms of what was intended the window was a success. It was only bad business if you think the purpose was to improve our squad for next year which it clearly hasn't but that was never the aim anyway. Most if not all of the loans won't be here next season so it's completely pointless moaning about them being bad business because they've done their job for relatively little outlay and we have no long term commitment so even if they haven't turned out to be what we need its no big deal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2023 14:14:43 GMT
It’s still looking quite bad isn’t it? Tuanzebe is an absolute waste of a transfer. Celina is the same. Hoever is neither here nor there. Pearson has been good but hindered by being unfit imo. Sarkic had an impact but will have been injured more than he’s played? Tuanzebe wasn't a transfer - he's a loan. In fact we didn't make a single transfer in the January window. The whole point of the business in January was to bank the money for the summer when the options in the market are far better and bring in players who would ensure we avoided relegation. It was a gamble but it looks like it will come off so in terms of what was intended the window was a success. It was only bad business if you think the purpose was to improve our squad for next year which it clearly hasn't but that was never the aim anyway. Most if not all of the loans won't be here next season so it's completely pointless moaning about them being bad business because they've done their job for relatively little outlay and we have no long term commitment so even if they haven't turned out to be what we need its no big deal. They are transfers 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by independent on Apr 16, 2023 14:16:44 GMT
If Tuanzebe’s injury is related to his back injury that kept him out for so long, then he’s best avoided. For me only Pearson and Sterling make sense and then it’s all new faces. Any loans need to be carefully selected. It’s a massive job ahead and we all need to accept it’s as likely to fail as succeed. I don't understand why you say that. I think AN has a wonderful chance to at least, put in the foundations of a top 6 side. Most of the clubs in the league are broke and will be standing still at best (Blackburn will be losing Diaz). We should be aiming to have a very good side next year and looking at the teams who will finish above us this year I don't know why anyone would think that failure to make the top six would be acceptable.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 16, 2023 14:25:21 GMT
If Tuanzebe’s injury is related to his back injury that kept him out for so long, then he’s best avoided. For me only Pearson and Sterling make sense and then it’s all new faces. Any loans need to be carefully selected. It’s a massive job ahead and we all need to accept it’s as likely to fail as succeed. I don't understand why you say that. I think AN has a wonderful chance to at least, put in the foundations of a top 6 side. Most of the clubs in the league are broke and will be standing still at best (Blackburn will be losing Diaz). We should be aiming to have a very good side next year and looking at the teams who will finish above us this year I don't know why anyone would think that failure to make the top six would be acceptable. We have a huge number of signings to make and it’s rare you get everything you need in a single window. At least Neil seems to know what sort of team he wants to build, which puts him one up on our last four or so managers.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 16, 2023 15:09:12 GMT
We needed a centre half and we go into next season needing two. We shouldn’t be going anywhere near Tuanzebe. It’s been a dreadful transfer. Maybe a loan with a view to the future. Been out for over a year so it was always doubtfull he would play every game. I wouldn't say dreadful, we are after all not going anywhere this season. Tuanzebe has been far from a disaster, as for the games he has started he has looked different class and those performances gave a foundation of confidence and stability for the rest of the team to up their game. It’s just such a shame that talent is probably going to be overcome by this back injury and ultimately finish his career prematurely.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 16, 2023 15:18:43 GMT
We needed a centre half and we go into next season needing two. We shouldn’t be going anywhere near Tuanzebe. It’s been a dreadful transfer. Maybe a loan with a view to the future. Been out for over a year so it was always doubtfull he would play every game. I wouldn't say dreadful, we are after all not going anywhere this season. We had half a season to go somewhere at the time. The lack of any desire to try was disappointing.
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