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Post by gingerninja on Mar 15, 2023 10:06:08 GMT
Were they both injured last night?. Neither were on the bench, when 2 of the U21's were?.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 15, 2023 10:11:07 GMT
I'm hoping Alex has realised we don't need them after them coming on against Blackburn last Friday.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 10:11:26 GMT
Hopefully he’s realised neither should have a future here.
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Post by chuckrocky on Mar 15, 2023 10:11:42 GMT
I think it’s a bit too much of a coincidence that two of the subs from the Blackburn game weren’t involved at all last night.
You could tell Neil was seething inside about the “efforts” of those he brought on against Blackburn.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 10:13:40 GMT
I think it’s a bit too much of a coincidence that two of the subs from the Blackburn game weren’t involved at all last night. You could tell Neil was seething inside about the “efforts” of those he brought on against Blackburn. Rightly so. The same old people whinged when I mentioned it but you could Neil was fuming. You don’t let players get away with it even if you win. It sets the wrong tone. |
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Post by st3mark on Mar 15, 2023 10:46:27 GMT
Neil made specific comments about what happened when the subs came on the other night. If they aren't in the starting line up and he can't trust bringing them on as subs then I hope he has point blank told them that's why they are out of the squad.
Prior to Neil the players have had too much mollycoddling and have never felt any danger of being out of the squad.
For me Clucas is finished at Stoke. Never looks interested at all, and for the wage he gets that's unacceptable.
Tymon has had some cracking games for us over the last couple of seasons. Still has a part to play for me. But a kick up the arse is never a bad thing.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 15, 2023 10:50:41 GMT
Hopefully he’s realised neither should have a future here. Exactly mate. It's great that despite it not costing us the game he has left them out which sends out a clear message that he won't stand for lacklustre shit. |
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Post by walrus on Mar 15, 2023 10:57:04 GMT
I can’t believe people are writing off Tymon.
He’s been largely excellent over the last year and a half, has had no luck with injuries this year after being made to play through pain, is more than capable of playing several different positions, is probably the best crosser at the club, and unlike any other senior full back currently at the club is contracted to be here next season!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 15, 2023 11:05:42 GMT
I can’t believe people are writing off Tymon. He’s been largely excellent over the last year and a half, has had no luck with injuries this year after being made to play through pain, is more than capable of playing several different positions, is probably the best crosser at the club, and unlike any other senior full back currently at the club is contracted to be here next season! ‘Is more than capable of playing several different positions’. Citation needed… |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 15, 2023 11:06:17 GMT
I can’t believe people are writing off Tymon. He’s been largely excellent over the last year and a half, has had no luck with injuries this year after being made to play through pain, is more than capable of playing several different positions, is probably the best crosser at the club, and unlike any other senior full back currently at the club is contracted to be here next season! I wouldn't write him off at all. But I like the fact this manager is prepared to give players a massive kick up the arse if they don't do their jobs. (if that is the case) Will be interesting to see how Neil views the future of Tymon at the club though. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 15, 2023 11:07:13 GMT
I can’t believe people are writing off Tymon. He’s been largely excellent over the last year and a half, has had no luck with injuries this year after being made to play through pain, is more than capable of playing several different positions, is probably the best crosser at the club, and unlike any other senior full back currently at the club is contracted to be here next season! I'm not writing Tymon off as such but he really does need to pick his game up. Sterling playing at left back has looked far better than Tymon and it isn't his natural position. He maybe isn't as good crossing the ball as Tymon but literally everything else he does better and like I say that's in a position that's not natural to him. I think Neil leaving him out last night was more than fair after his performance when he came on against Blackburn(if that was the reason). I am writing Clucas off though. He offers us absolutely nothing and the sooner we get rid the better. Adding to that he's got to be up there in the higher wage bracket so him going will free up wages for players we need to make a difference. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 11:09:00 GMT
Maybe AN has finally realised Clucas is a reliability.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 15, 2023 11:09:56 GMT
I can’t believe people are writing off Tymon. He’s been largely excellent over the last year and a half, has had no luck with injuries this year after being made to play through pain, is more than capable of playing several different positions, is probably the best crosser at the club, and unlike any other senior full back currently at the club is contracted to be here next season! ‘Is more than capable of playing several different positions’. Citation needed… I'd also like to know these several positions he can play? |
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Post by brizzlestokie on Mar 15, 2023 11:09:58 GMT
I can’t believe people are writing off Tymon. He’s been largely excellent over the last year and a half, has had no luck with injuries this year after being made to play through pain, is more than capable of playing several different positions, is probably the best crosser at the club, and unlike any other senior full back currently at the club is contracted to be here next season! I actually feel like the issue with Tymon is his lack of adaptability. He's played at wing-back, left back, left wing, and centre mid, but all that has told me is that wing-back is the only position he's decent at. I get the sympathy because he was one of our better performers when we played with a back three, but I really struggle to see how he fits into how we're now playing. I think we're all in agreement when it comes to Clucas though. |
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Post by kerouac on Mar 15, 2023 11:18:25 GMT
I never want to see Clucas play for us again and not fussed about Tymon either….he flatters to deceive.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 11:20:04 GMT
Tymon was injured, I think. He'll be a key part of the side next season, and if one of Hoever/Sterling gets injured.
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Post by stokesupporter on Mar 15, 2023 11:20:12 GMT
I'd definitely keep Tymon...
but Clucas can go.
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Post by st3mark on Mar 15, 2023 11:24:38 GMT
I can’t believe people are writing off Tymon. He’s been largely excellent over the last year and a half, has had no luck with injuries this year after being made to play through pain, is more than capable of playing several different positions, is probably the best crosser at the club, and unlike any other senior full back currently at the club is contracted to be here next season! ‘Is more than capable of playing several different positions’. Citation needed… I didn't make the original comment but I've seen him play reasonably well at LB, LWB, LW, LF and CM. Very useful squad player. His problem is that he's made of glass. He got injured jumping over an advertising board for Christ's sake. |
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Post by greystokie on Mar 15, 2023 11:35:52 GMT
Tymon is probably a saleable asset of some sort so I think we should let him go and reinvest the funds in a replacement that better fits the system we now play. Clucas should be released.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 15, 2023 11:49:20 GMT
‘Is more than capable of playing several different positions’. Citation needed… I didn't make the original comment but I've seen him play reasonably well at LB, LWB, LW, LF and CM. Very useful squad player. His problem is that he's made of glass. He got injured jumping over an advertising board for Christ's sake. I've never seen him have a good game at LB or LW. He can do a decent job as a shuttling CM at a push and is a good LWB. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 15, 2023 11:55:50 GMT
2 totally different issues.
Clucas is the invisible man whenever he plays against teams other than Swansea. He should have been jettisoned a long time ago. He wont get a contract anywhere else.
Tymon has worked so hard to find his place in the Stoke team after being left in the lurch for many years.
He still has a lot to offer, but probably does need the occassional kick up the backside.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 15, 2023 12:02:11 GMT
Clucas leaving will be useful in terms of a wage being available to use on a replacemnet and I also would let Tymon go if we're not playing wing backs. It's his only half decent position and with a year left, we might get reasonable cash for him. It's about the rebuild and Neil can't afford passengers.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 12:10:45 GMT
Tymon is massively overrated.
The calls of 20m for him being the highlight last summer.
The only reason in this side why you'd play 3 at the back too.
Get rid.
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Post by lordb on Mar 15, 2023 12:13:19 GMT
I can’t believe people are writing off Tymon. He’s been largely excellent over the last year and a half, has had no luck with injuries this year after being made to play through pain, is more than capable of playing several different positions, is probably the best crosser at the club, and unlike any other senior full back currently at the club is contracted to be here next season! ‘Is more than capable of playing several different positions’. Citation needed… All down the left side and in central midfield appreciate I'm in a minority who see him as good at left back |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 15, 2023 12:13:35 GMT
Tymon is massively overrated. The calls of 20m for him being the highlight last summer. The only reason in this side why you'd play 3 at the back too. Get rid. Absolutely. We have no need to go back to 3 at the back on a regular basis and WB is the only position he can play. If some championship club wants to pay 3 to 4m for him he goes. |
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Post by femark on Mar 15, 2023 12:19:30 GMT
Tymon is massively overrated. The calls of 20m for him being the highlight last summer. The only reason in this side why you'd play 3 at the back too. Get rid. I think we need to manage the situation until the end of the season carefully. He's worth a bit of money to the right club and bombing him out of the squad would reduce that. If we can get somewhere near £3m for him I'd be happy. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 15, 2023 12:22:23 GMT
‘Is more than capable of playing several different positions’. Citation needed… All down the left side and in central midfield appreciate I'm in a minority who see him as good at left back The two games or so he had on the left of a front three he was the worst player on the park imo. Left back he just seems to have no positional sense at all and gets a constant chasing. Don't see a future there for him. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 15, 2023 12:25:50 GMT
Tymon had a knock
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Post by wuzza on Mar 15, 2023 12:26:24 GMT
Clucas gets loads of stick but at his best he is a more than useful Championship squad member.
Tymon always seems a bit on the periphery of things but again developed and used to his maximum potential he is a good player at this level.
In a successful team environment both could be well worth having around and all in all if they are the biggest problems we have things are certainly looking up.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 15, 2023 12:33:40 GMT
Wuzza, Clucas is out of contract at the end of the season. There's no chance he'll be here thereafter.
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