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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 14, 2023 9:55:44 GMT
Have you been asleep for the past 6-7 years? So the 10 years in the Premier league mean nothing,you find someone better who has the same fortune is local and loves Stoke and then post. Things aren't black and white though are they. You can appreciate what the family have done for the club but still criticise the mistakes they have made. They aren't immune to criticism.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 14, 2023 10:26:41 GMT
If JC just repeats the Rowett summer again then he’s a bigger idiot than I thought he was. A family of idiots who have amassed billions,who would you prefer holding the purse strings? I don't think John Boy himself has had much to do with the 'billion amassing'
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Post by mr on Mar 14, 2023 10:27:33 GMT
30k per week for 4 years with no up front fee would be good business I think. That would be just over 6 million for b a 20 goal season He's 23, he would be 27 at the end of the contract so would have value throughout his contract you would think. Every transfer has risks but this one would be worth taking. That said there would be a few wanting him The trouble being if we paid Brereton 30k our other better players would want parity. We are only just getting the wage bill under control. Now is not the time to start paying silly money on wages again. Then give him 15k and a 3 million signing on fee. 750k at the end of each full season with us.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2023 10:39:34 GMT
Have you been asleep for the past 6-7 years? So the 10 years in the Premier league mean nothing,you find someone better who has the same fortune is local and loves Stoke and then post. Of course they mean something but they can't just have all of the credit for that and none of the blame for our decline, surely? Our failure to move with the times and compounding one shit decision after another are what have put us in the mess we're only now (hopefully) starting to slowly claw our way out of. And even then, the structure of the club means we're right back in the shit again if Neil leaves or implodes for whatever reason and we have to start from scratch again.
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Post by pushon on Mar 14, 2023 11:19:36 GMT
A family of idiots who have amassed billions,who would you prefer holding the purse strings? I don't think John Boy himself has had much to do with the 'billion amassing' He is the Joint Chief Executive,along with his sister, of Bet365. That seems to indicate that his influence in the Company Development has been significant.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 14, 2023 12:20:30 GMT
So the 10 years in the Premier league mean nothing,you find someone better who has the same fortune is local and loves Stoke and then post. Of course they mean something but they can't just have all of the credit for that and none of the blame for our decline, surely? Our failure to move with the times and compounding one shit decision after another are what have put us in the mess we're only now (hopefully) starting to slowly claw our way out of. And even then, the structure of the club means we're right back in the shit again if Neil leaves or implodes for whatever reason and we have to start from scratch again. Outside of the big six every club is one shit decision away from disaster,(ask Sunderland fans) the basis of league football is clubs go up and clubs go down,there are former Prem clubs now plying their trade outside of the football league.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2023 12:39:24 GMT
Of course they mean something but they can't just have all of the credit for that and none of the blame for our decline, surely? Our failure to move with the times and compounding one shit decision after another are what have put us in the mess we're only now (hopefully) starting to slowly claw our way out of. And even then, the structure of the club means we're right back in the shit again if Neil leaves or implodes for whatever reason and we have to start from scratch again. Outside of the big six every club is one shit decision away from disaster,(ask Sunderland fans) the basis of league football is clubs go up and clubs go down,there are former Prem clubs now plying their trade outside of the football league. We haven't made one shit decision, we've made a succession of them. You don't just wait your turn to go up and down, things happen for a reason.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 14, 2023 12:51:38 GMT
Of course they mean something but they can't just have all of the credit for that and none of the blame for our decline, surely? Our failure to move with the times and compounding one shit decision after another are what have put us in the mess we're only now (hopefully) starting to slowly claw our way out of. And even then, the structure of the club means we're right back in the shit again if Neil leaves or implodes for whatever reason and we have to start from scratch again. Outside of the big six every club is one shit decision away from disaster,(ask Sunderland fans) the basis of league football is clubs go up and clubs go down,there are former Prem clubs now plying their trade outside of the football league. So 10 years in the PL do mean nothing then. Clubs just “go up and down”, after all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 13:08:57 GMT
A family of idiots who have amassed billions,who would you prefer holding the purse strings? I don't think John Boy himself has had much to do with the 'billion amassing' You like the rest of us have absolutely no idea how much input 'John Boy' has at Bet365. This idea of him being the village idiot is based on nothing more than a few things he said at a meet the supporters event. A lot of very intelligent people struggle with public speaking. I don't know if he's intelligent or not but I highly doubt he's the bumbling fool he's made out on here.
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Post by march4 on Mar 14, 2023 13:29:21 GMT
They made some major errors. Everyone is a genius with hindsight. I know there were some worried people but I remember the general consensus heading into that first season was that we were going to storm the league. How many times do they have to make the same errors before ‘hindsight’ stops being trotted out as an excuse? What lessons have they learned exactly? FFP is sorted. We have an excellent manager. We have a proper transfer kitty this summer. The team are improving noticeably. Four giant steps forwards. We just have to ensure we don’t get arrogant again and assume we will be back in the Prem in a short while and not have to worry about FFP.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2023 13:49:01 GMT
How many times do they have to make the same errors before ‘hindsight’ stops being trotted out as an excuse? What lessons have they learned exactly? FFP is sorted. We have an excellent manager. We have a proper transfer kitty this summer. The team are improving noticeably. Four giant steps forwards. We just have to ensure we don’t get arrogant again and assume we will be back in the Prem in a short while and not have to worry about FFP. And that last line is key. We can't just keep repeating the same mistakes. If we are turning it round it's down to the pure dumb luck of them finally stumbling across what would appear to be a decent manager.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 14, 2023 13:59:32 GMT
I don't think John Boy himself has had much to do with the 'billion amassing' You like the rest of us have absolutely no idea how much input 'John Boy' has at Bet365. This idea of him being the village idiot is based on nothing more than a few things he said at a meet the supporters event. A lot of very intelligent people struggle with public speaking. I don't know if he's intelligent or not but I highly doubt he's the bumbling fool he's made out on here. Well there’s the small matter of years of him running the club to add to the evidence…
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 14, 2023 14:01:14 GMT
FFP is sorted. We have an excellent manager. We have a proper transfer kitty this summer. The team are improving noticeably. Four giant steps forwards. We just have to ensure we don’t get arrogant again and assume we will be back in the Prem in a short while and not have to worry about FFP. And that last line is key. We can't just keep repeating the same mistakes. If we are turning it round it's down to the pure dumb luck of them finally stumbling across what would appear to be a decent manager. I do have issue with them finally stumbling across a decent manager. Neil has been no1 target pretty much since the day we were relegated.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 14, 2023 14:09:22 GMT
Outside of the big six every club is one shit decision away from disaster,(ask Sunderland fans) the basis of league football is clubs go up and clubs go down,there are former Prem clubs now plying their trade outside of the football league. So 10 years in the PL do mean nothing then. Clubs just “go up and down”, after all. Up or down or cyclical?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2023 14:14:30 GMT
And that last line is key. We can't just keep repeating the same mistakes. If we are turning it round it's down to the pure dumb luck of them finally stumbling across what would appear to be a decent manager. I do have issue with them finally stumbling across a decent manager. Neil has been no1 target pretty much since the day we were relegated. He's been the number 1 target since about the time of the MON appointment I think, that was the last time we nearly appointed him? If we'd have offered him the gig in 2018 I think he'd have walked across hot coals to take it.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 14, 2023 14:50:36 GMT
Outside of the big six every club is one shit decision away from disaster,(ask Sunderland fans) the basis of league football is clubs go up and clubs go down,there are former Prem clubs now plying their trade outside of the football league. So 10 years in the PL do mean nothing then. Clubs just “go up and down”, after all. Opposite really,we should be thankful that we had the experience, 50 teams have shared that experience in 30 years so 10 years is not shabby at all?
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 14, 2023 14:54:36 GMT
FFP is sorted. We have an excellent manager. We have a proper transfer kitty this summer. The team are improving noticeably. Four giant steps forwards. We just have to ensure we don’t get arrogant again and assume we will be back in the Prem in a short while and not have to worry about FFP. And that last line is key. We can't just keep repeating the same mistakes. If we are turning it round it's down to the pure dumb luck of them finally stumbling across what would appear to be a decent manager. So it dumb luck to pick a bad manager but a fluke to find a good one?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2023 15:45:26 GMT
And that last line is key. We can't just keep repeating the same mistakes. If we are turning it round it's down to the pure dumb luck of them finally stumbling across what would appear to be a decent manager. So it dumb luck to pick a bad manager but a fluke to find a good one? No, it's dumb luck to pick a good manager. And when your whole model dictates that the manager is in charge of everything, that's really not a great look.
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Post by pushon on Mar 14, 2023 15:56:12 GMT
Back to Ben, in my opinion he is what Gayle should be (was), a collector of goals, he seems single-minded about this😡 and is a true Stokie to boot. He is available at this seasons-end, so should be the No1 target IMO and that is not forgetting Pearson,who is also an essential addition to the team.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2023 16:06:07 GMT
Back to Ben, in my opinion he is what Gayle should be (was), a collector of goals, he seems single-minded about this😡 and is a true Stokie to boot. He is available at this seasons-end, so should be the No1 target IMO and that is not forgetting Pearson,who is also an essential addition to the team. It's a bit of a pipe dream. If we do sign him, amazing, but don't get your hopes up.
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Post by monkeycat on Mar 14, 2023 16:42:17 GMT
His parents would prefer him to be at Stoke
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 14, 2023 16:51:49 GMT
His parents would prefer him to be at Stoke 🤣
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Post by pushon on Mar 14, 2023 16:53:05 GMT
His parents would prefer him to be at Stoke Cheers for that Mc, let's hope that he still respects his parents guidance😟
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Post by franklin on Mar 14, 2023 17:23:30 GMT
His parents would prefer him to be at Stoke Cheers for that Mc, let's hope that he still respects his parents guidance😟 I doubt very much his old man would ever say that to anyone.
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Post by cdf on Mar 14, 2023 17:35:13 GMT
Blackburn could still get promoted, he's entitled to wait and see. Does he live locally to us? I'm sure that I have read somewhere that he is a Meir Park lad. If he's not signed his contract in Spain, he will easily get a move to the Premier League in the summer. He's always been heavily linked with West Ham and a free to them would make sense.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 14, 2023 18:01:50 GMT
Blackburn could still get promoted, he's entitled to wait and see. Does he live locally to us? I'm sure that I have read somewhere that he is a Meir Park lad. If he's not signed his contract in Spain, he will easily get a move to the Premier League in the summer. He's always been heavily linked with West Ham and a free to them would make sense. I think he's from Blythe Bridge mate. His dad was a decent player locally as well. He is or was a local cop.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Mar 14, 2023 18:02:56 GMT
Footballers aren’t like supporters, they don’t all clamour to play for their boyhood team. Maybe it’s just me but if it a choice between Stoke in the Champo and Spain, I’d be on that flight quicker than you can say vamos! If Carlsberg did messageboard transfers
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Post by willieeetmiout on Mar 14, 2023 18:05:44 GMT
He literally said in the interview that he did 🤷🏼♂️ Are we taking that interview seriously? Players rarely declare their true intentions in public, the impression I got was that he was being diplomatic, knowing there will be plenty of tempting offers in the summer and not wanting to show his hand. If the question was "Who are you going to sign for next season" I could see where you would get that impression. It wasn't though was it. It was if you could play for any club in the World who would it be? I think diplomacy was highly unlikely given he could have said Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid etc etc
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2023 18:10:51 GMT
Are we taking that interview seriously? Players rarely declare their true intentions in public, the impression I got was that he was being diplomatic, knowing there will be plenty of tempting offers in the summer and not wanting to show his hand. If the question was "Who are you going to sign for next season" I could see where you would get that impression. It wasn't though was it. It was if you could play for any club in the World who would it be? I think diplomacy was highly unlikely given he could have said Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid etc etc I think it’s basically the same thing tbh - a not entirely serious answer that doesn’t cause any controversy.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 14, 2023 18:13:59 GMT
I'm sure that I have read somewhere that he is a Meir Park lad. If he's not signed his contract in Spain, he will easily get a move to the Premier League in the summer. He's always been heavily linked with West Ham and a free to them would make sense. I think he's from Blythe Bridge mate. His dad was a decent player locally as well. He is or was a local cop. Supposedly he's the match commander (?) for Stoke games, it's mentioned in that interview.
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