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Post by wuzza on Mar 15, 2023 13:05:12 GMT
He has gained a vast amount of experience , probably improved and certainly proved his fitness and has upped his performance levels showing he can be highly effective at this level. All in all it’s been the perfect loan for them - even more so if they get relegated. Can agree with that, but also if he is happy here he may push for a move since we would both be in the same league. How successful that may be is a question, but I'm trying to find a way we can get him here next year too!! We live in hope but I’m sure I read he had extended his contract there and he is probably southern based too so the incentive to move might not be great. They might be having a tough season but Southampton isn’t a bad club to be plying your trade at.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 13:35:23 GMT
I think he has. Against Blackburn he should have been hooked off after about 50 minutes and Sterling should have gone to right back to deal with Brereton. And last night any issue defensively (bar Wilmots pass and Pearson being slow) was him being out of position. I totally get that with how he attacks it will happen but Sterling is just a much better all round full back for me. He gets forward well and can defend. I'd rather we sign a proper left back and play Sterling on the right. Hoever is a cracking footballer though but Sterling is so much better. Good problem to have. Sterling is better defensively but his attacking contribution (although ok) has been no where near that of Hoever. Sterling may well have prevented a Blackburn goal but he wasn't getting into the positions to score two goals either. As I said a fullback who is that attack minded simply isn't going to be as effectively defensively - it goes with the territory. Hoever has scored 3 in 2 but other than that has his attacking attribution been that great? And I know the goals have been crucial and tbf really good goals but judging a full back on goals seems a bit off to me. I think Sterling is that person.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 15, 2023 14:02:11 GMT
Sterling is better defensively but his attacking contribution (although ok) has been no where near that of Hoever. Sterling may well have prevented a Blackburn goal but he wasn't getting into the positions to score two goals either. As I said a fullback who is that attack minded simply isn't going to be as effectively defensively - it goes with the territory. Hoever has scored 3 in 2 but other than that has his attacking attribution been that great? And I know the goals have been crucial and tbf really good goals but judging a full back on goals seems a bit off to me. I think Sterling is that person. So basically you prefer a more old fashioned defensive minded fullback than Hoever. Which is fair enough - Hoever is what he is, a fullback who will create and score more than a fullback like Sterling bit me more defensively suspect. His goals aren't covering his defensive fragilities - the goals come at a price.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 14:08:56 GMT
Hoever has scored 3 in 2 but other than that has his attacking attribution been that great? And I know the goals have been crucial and tbf really good goals but judging a full back on goals seems a bit off to me. I think Sterling is that person. So basically you prefer a more old fashioned defensive minded fullback than Hoever. Which is fair enough - Hoever is what he is, a fullback who will create and score more than a fullback like Sterling bit me more defensively suspect. His goals aren't covering his defensive fragilities - the goals come at a price. I don't think Sterling is old fashioned no. I like Hoever but I just don't think he can defend. I can't remember what he's created though? He's scored 3 in 2 and people are going a bit ott because of it.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 15, 2023 14:23:38 GMT
So basically you prefer a more old fashioned defensive minded fullback than Hoever. Which is fair enough - Hoever is what he is, a fullback who will create and score more than a fullback like Sterling bit me more defensively suspect. His goals aren't covering his defensive fragilities - the goals come at a price. I don't think Sterling is old fashioned no. I like Hoever but I just don't think he can defend. I can't remember what he's created though? He's scored 3 in 2 and people are going a bit ott because of it. And if he becomes a liability defensively he should be dropped - I agree a fullbacks first priority is to defend. Thing is at the moment he isn't a liability - it would be weird to drop him because in theory he isn't as good as Sterling. If you prefer defensive stability Fox would be the better option on the left but that would ratchet back the contribution going forward. In terms of shoring up the defence Tymon wouldn't be any improvement. I'm not even sure this is even a long term problem - we might sign Sterling but we aren't going to sign Hoever given his price tag
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 14:49:36 GMT
I don't think Sterling is old fashioned no. I like Hoever but I just don't think he can defend. I can't remember what he's created though? He's scored 3 in 2 and people are going a bit ott because of it. And if he becomes a liability defensively he should be dropped - I agree a fullbacks first priority is to defend. Thing is at the moment he isn't a liability - it would be weird to drop him because in theory he isn't as good as Sterling. If you prefer defensive stability Fox would be the better option on the left but that would ratchet back the contribution going forward. In terms of shoring up the defence Tymon wouldn't be any improvement. I'm not even sure this is even a long term problem - we might sign Sterling but we aren't going to sign Hoever given his price tag He isn’t but next season if we have the choice then it has to be Sterling at right back and a new left back. Tymon can’t play left back. He’s shit there. We aren’t and tbh I’m not arsed in the slightest.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 15, 2023 14:59:54 GMT
Sterling is really starting to look quality. So strong and quick to mop up. Starting to think there may be a chance he starts to attract some lower Prem interest
It'll be interesting to see if Chelsea offer him something just to get a fee
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 15:10:19 GMT
Sterling is really starting to look quality. So strong and quick to mop up. Starting to think there may be a chance he starts to attract some lower Prem interest It'll be interesting to see if Chelsea offer him something just to get a fee He's got Palace written all over him imo. He's so much better than anything we've had at full back in recent years. Pieters about the only one that comes to close but Sterling is a better footballer.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 15, 2023 19:18:22 GMT
He's not done a lot wrong defensively but an attacking fullback is bound to be a bit suspect at times - it usually boils down to a choice between a solid fullback who doesn't do much going forward or an attack minded fullback who gets caught out of position every now and again. A defensively rock solid attacking fullback isn't a thing. I think he has. Against Blackburn he should have been hooked off after about 50 minutes and Sterling should have gone to right back to deal with Brereton. And last night any issue defensively (bar Wilmots pass and Pearson being slow) was him being out of position. I totally get that with how he attacks it will happen but Sterling is just a much better all round full back for me. He gets forward well and can defend. I'd rather we sign a proper left back and play Sterling on the right. Hoever is a cracking footballer though but Sterling is so much better. Good problem to have. Nobody signs defensive minded full backs these days, his attacking mentality is a big reason why we’ve improved in recent weeks.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 15, 2023 19:21:08 GMT
So basically you prefer a more old fashioned defensive minded fullback than Hoever. Which is fair enough - Hoever is what he is, a fullback who will create and score more than a fullback like Sterling bit me more defensively suspect. His goals aren't covering his defensive fragilities - the goals come at a price. I don't think Sterling is old fashioned no. I like Hoever but I just don't think he can defend. I can't remember what he's created though? He's scored 3 in 2 and people are going a bit ott because of it. He’s whipped many across in and one loads of corners with his attacking play. You’re just finding a reason to dislike him because you didn’t like the signing in the first place and admitting you got it wrong has never been your forte. I wasn’t keen on the signing, I’ve changed my mind, try it it’s easy😉
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 19:31:48 GMT
I don't think Sterling is old fashioned no. I like Hoever but I just don't think he can defend. I can't remember what he's created though? He's scored 3 in 2 and people are going a bit ott because of it. He’s whipped many across in and one loads of corners with his attacking play. You’re just finding a reason to dislike him because you didn’t like the signing in the first place and admitting you got it wrong has never been your forte. I wasn’t keen on the signing, I’ve changed my mind, try it it’s easy😉 I think he’s done well and has surprised me. But he can’t defend. Sterling is the much better player and the one we should sign alongside a left back.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Mar 15, 2023 19:44:14 GMT
Sterling and tuanzabe out of contract so would cost nothing if they wanted to join I’d take both in a heartbeat.
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Post by stokefanone on Mar 15, 2023 21:30:47 GMT
If they all carry on playing this well, we won’t be able to afford them!
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Post by Northy on Mar 16, 2023 8:04:12 GMT
He’s whipped many across in and one loads of corners with his attacking play. You’re just finding a reason to dislike him because you didn’t like the signing in the first place and admitting you got it wrong has never been your forte. I wasn’t keen on the signing, I’ve changed my mind, try it it’s easy😉 I think he’s done well and has surprised me. But he can’t defend. Sterling is the much better player and the one we should sign alongside a left back. Wonder how he'd get on if we play him on the right of a 3 in front of Sterling at RB
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 2, 2023 7:07:46 GMT
What I’d give just to get 2 or 3 of them
Pearson £4 Million Sterling Free but needs a good contract Hoever £7 million and going up all the time Tuanzebe £4 million his value will be low because of his injury issues. Great player but not sure he’s worth the risk. Smallbone £6 Million
Not sure how big we can go with FFP but Pearsons the key one for me. The good thing is at least he knows the best formation now especially in relation to having a sitting CM.
I really hope that we can get as many players as we can quickly in the summer as AN needs a proper pre season as it’s key they know there roles.
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 2, 2023 7:19:53 GMT
What I’d give just to get 2 or 3 of them Pearson £4 Million Sterling Free but needs a good contract Hoever £7 million and going up all the time Tuanzebe £4 million his value will be low because of his injury issues. Great player but not sure he’s worth the risk. Smallbone £6 Million Not sure how big we can go with FFP but Pearsons the key one for me. The good thing is at least he knows the best formation now especially in relation to having a sitting CM. I really hope that we can get as many players as we can quickly in the summer as AN needs a proper pre season as it’s key they know there roles. Pearson 2.5m Tuanzebe would be free but we’ve no chance Smallbone 10m Agree with Hoever
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Post by george2again on Apr 2, 2023 7:25:38 GMT
If we can’t get both full backs, Ryan Manning at Swansea is out of contract. For me there best player and solve a historically problematic position for us in a heartbeat.
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Post by chad on Apr 2, 2023 7:49:27 GMT
Hoever is quickly disappearing out of our price range I think 😡
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Post by theteacher on Apr 2, 2023 8:01:54 GMT
I am starting to think that loan players may see Stoke as being their best chance of a prem career.
Getting game time, playing well in a team that is entertaining who will or should be competitive next season with a realistic chance of promotion. Starting to look an attractive proposition once more.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 2, 2023 8:34:13 GMT
I am starting to think that loan players may see Stoke as being their best chance of a prem career. Getting game time, playing well in a team that is entertaining who will or should be competitive next season with a realistic chance of promotion. Starting to look an attractive proposition once more. Hope you’re right. Wages might be the biggest issue i’d imagine
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Post by etebojan on Apr 2, 2023 8:39:21 GMT
So hopefully we'll manage to secure Pearson as our marquee signing this summer. I would be concerned if we don't have eyes on signing a Pearson 2.0 as well as an understudy, back-up, should the luck of the Stoke return.
Would be interested if anyone has seen any really good prospects who could do a similar job in the Whelan/Pearson role that we should also be after
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 2, 2023 8:40:19 GMT
Love how people pluck transfer fees out of thin air 😂
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Post by chuckrocky on Apr 2, 2023 8:44:58 GMT
Hoever is quickly disappearing out of our price range I think 😡 We could maybe get him on loan again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 2, 2023 8:59:31 GMT
How much would you actually want to pay for them realistically?
Just seen someone think 13m for the pair for Hoever and Smallbone.
I wouldn’t go anywhere near that.
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Post by etebojan on Apr 2, 2023 9:10:07 GMT
How much would you actually want to pay for them realistically? Just seen someone think 13m for the pair for Hoever and Smallbone. I wouldn’t go anywhere near that. 8 million for both would be more palatable
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 2, 2023 9:13:07 GMT
How much would you actually want to pay for them realistically? Just seen someone think 13m for the pair for Hoever and Smallbone. I wouldn’t go anywhere near that. 8 million for both would be more palatable Up front I still think it’s too much. But with add ons I think we’d be looking at close to 10m but that’s caps/goals/promotion add ons etc.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 2, 2023 9:16:15 GMT
I can see Hoever coming back on loan. Wolves spent around £12m on him I think so they won't want to take a loss and we wont want to pay a hefty fee for him so a loan would be best for both parties.
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Post by etebojan on Apr 2, 2023 9:18:08 GMT
8 million for both would be more palatable Up front I still think it’s too much. But with add ons I think we’d be looking at close to 10m but that’s caps/goals/promotion add ons etc. I think you're probably right, i'd be happy with that after add-ons. Just out of interest as i posted further up who would you get in as Pearsons back-up(in the still not definite scenario that we do land our marquee target)?
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Post by lordb on Apr 2, 2023 9:21:11 GMT
I can see Hoever coming back on loan. Wolves spent around £12m on him I think so they won't want to take a loss and we wont want to pay a hefty fee for him so a loan would be best for both parties. Agree, they won't be selling him unless thet, re FFP, get a large chunk of their money back. no one is paying that Another Championship loan and we'd be favourite to get him again another loan abroad, to a better league (league not club) than the Dutch league could be a danger
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 2, 2023 9:21:58 GMT
Up front I still think it’s too much. But with add ons I think we’d be looking at close to 10m but that’s caps/goals/promotion add ons etc. I think you're probably right, i'd be happy with that after add-ons. Just out of interest as i posted further up who would you get in as Pearsons back-up(in the still not definite scenario that we do land our marquee target)? No idea tbh. I don’t watch near enough football nowadays to know who we could get tbh. Especially the football league. I just don’t enjoy it. We have a lad in the academy who can do what Smallbone does though and I hope he can stay fit and develop into that role over the next couple of years. Jack Griffiths. Not ready yet by any stretch but definitely ticks all the boxes and with a good wind can do it.
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