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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 14, 2023 22:02:12 GMT
I read into this a bit but am really not sure I got it so don't believe me could use someone smarter on this... It looks like a player fee doesn't all go into the FFP books in one go. We paid £5 mil for McLean in 2018 on a four-year contract but in the FFP books it's treated as 4 yearly installments of £1.25m. FFP rules usually go over 3 years I think. If it wasn't for COVID I think we'd be scratching off 2019/2020 from the FFP calcs and replacing it with this year. Basically, even though we got rid of McLean a while ago, the stink of his fee and wages still follows us around a bit. (I don't mind McLean, just think he's a good example and certainly by the end he wasn't worth what we were paying) Pretty much right, it's not FFP books though it's the clubs basic accounts, FFP just uses the clubs accounts then removes exceptions like infrastucture costs, academy etc. Also the other complication is that after relegation, and then in both 2020 & 2021 because of Covid we made impairment charges (29.370 Mill/42.516 Mill & 3.75 Mill respectively) to take advantage of extra allowable/exceptional losses, which means for all we know your eg of McLean may have already been written down to 0. At the end of the 20/21 season the whole squad was only valued at 10.7 Million Cheers mate that makes sense. Won't we still see some savings because all the pre-covid 2019/2020 season costs be dropping out? We would have booked £1.25m on McLean plus his wages for that year I think?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 14, 2023 22:15:55 GMT
I’d send them all back if it meant we could keep Pearson!
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Post by nonameface on Mar 14, 2023 22:42:48 GMT
Sterling - free Tuanzebe - free Pearson - £3 million Hoever - £5 million Sarkic - £3 million Smallbone - Southampton will want him back, especially if they come down If possible, do it. We have Baker and Tymon who are saleable assets too, which could help with FFP.
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Post by desman2 on Mar 14, 2023 22:48:32 GMT
It also depends as to whether any of the clubs believe they can sign someone better. Stay up or relegated they will have money to blow. Their are so many factors that anything could happen. Their could be negotiations going on daily with these clubs. We just dont know.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 14, 2023 23:30:32 GMT
Pearson I’m hopefully.
Don’t think we’ll have a chance with the rest of them.
Shame.
Hopefully Neil can bring some equally as good players in.
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Post by leegthestokie90 on Mar 15, 2023 1:08:48 GMT
Pearson and smallbone a must smallbone like our frank lampard lol and hoever our trent Arnold utmp
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Post by Jimm on Mar 15, 2023 1:52:43 GMT
Pearson and smallbone a must smallbone like our frank lampard lol and hoever our trent Arnold utmp Lampard scored goals
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Post by tejstokie on Mar 15, 2023 1:58:50 GMT
Pearson should be our #1 focus on the off season. Massive player. Hoever and Sterling are must haves for me for pace and width. Smallbone is essential also for forward movement and passing. If we could get Tuanzebe and have all five comeback, I'd be over the moon. But I only see us getting one, two maybe three of that list if we are lucky.
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 15, 2023 6:42:01 GMT
Sterling - free Tuanzebe - free Pearson - £3 million Hoever - £5 million Sarkic - £3 million Smallbone - Southampton will want him back, especially if they come down If possible, do it. We have Baker and Tymon who are saleable assets too, which could help with FFP. It’s quite simple really 🥴. Sign Sterling and Pearson, get the rest back on loan next season, win the league by 10 points. Then sign the rest of them for the Premier League. This football management game is a piece of cake 😉
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Post by wuzza on Mar 15, 2023 6:58:11 GMT
I think there’s a reasonable chance of all the loans being back next season if required on either a full time or loan basis apart from Smallbone. Southampton would be insane to let him go if , as is likely , they are relegated. Finances are unlikely to be the deciding issue in any of this.
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 15, 2023 8:06:33 GMT
I don’t know what the Wolves squad is like but they must surely be thinking that Hoever is looking good.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Mar 15, 2023 8:25:11 GMT
Presumably there will be a lot of competition especially from relegated clubs.
Unlikely Tuanzebe sees himself in the Championship
Sterling is likely to go to the highest bidder on wages (possibly complicated by compensation)
Pearson and Smallbone will be highly sought after if their parent clubs let them go. Pearson is more likely to move as he is behind Rothwell and Cook who are Championship players - a change of manager might shift this. Smallbone would be pricey
Hoever and Sarkic could be in play. Don’t seem to fit at Wolves, not obvious PL targets. But as loans most likely. Not sure we would want Sarkic
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Post by twobanksoffour on Mar 15, 2023 8:49:32 GMT
I don’t know what the Wolves squad is like but they must surely be thinking that Hoever is looking good. They've got Semedo and Jonny (more of a left back, but sometimes plays right back as they've got Ait Nouri and Bueno as left backs), so wouldn't be surprised if he's deemed surplus, particularly if he's burned some bridges there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 8:53:25 GMT
Re Hoever isn’t there a touch Leon Cort syndrome going on?
Goals masking bad defending?
He’s doing ok overall but I’m not convinced he can defend at all. Bar Pearson and Wilmot’s shit passes/being robbed he was the biggest issue at the back.
Clearly a very good footballer but I think the goals are warping peoples views.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 15, 2023 10:28:02 GMT
Re Hoever isn’t there a touch Leon Cort syndrome going on? Goals masking bad defending? He’s doing ok overall but I’m not convinced he can defend at all. Bar Pearson and Wilmot’s shit passes/being robbed he was the biggest issue at the back. Clearly a very good footballer but I think the goals are warping peoples views. He's not done a lot wrong defensively but an attacking fullback is bound to be a bit suspect at times - it usually boils down to a choice between a solid fullback who doesn't do much going forward or an attack minded fullback who gets caught out of position every now and again. A defensively rock solid attacking fullback isn't a thing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 10:36:01 GMT
Re Hoever isn’t there a touch Leon Cort syndrome going on? Goals masking bad defending? He’s doing ok overall but I’m not convinced he can defend at all. Bar Pearson and Wilmot’s shit passes/being robbed he was the biggest issue at the back. Clearly a very good footballer but I think the goals are warping peoples views. He's not done a lot wrong defensively but an attacking fullback is bound to be a bit suspect at times - it usually boils down to a choice between a solid fullback who doesn't do much going forward or an attack minded fullback who gets caught out of position every now and again. A defensively rock solid attacking fullback isn't a thing. I think he has. Against Blackburn he should have been hooked off after about 50 minutes and Sterling should have gone to right back to deal with Brereton. And last night any issue defensively (bar Wilmots pass and Pearson being slow) was him being out of position. I totally get that with how he attacks it will happen but Sterling is just a much better all round full back for me. He gets forward well and can defend. I'd rather we sign a proper left back and play Sterling on the right. Hoever is a cracking footballer though but Sterling is so much better. Good problem to have.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 15, 2023 10:41:41 GMT
He's not done a lot wrong defensively but an attacking fullback is bound to be a bit suspect at times - it usually boils down to a choice between a solid fullback who doesn't do much going forward or an attack minded fullback who gets caught out of position every now and again. A defensively rock solid attacking fullback isn't a thing. I think he has. Against Blackburn he should have been hooked off after about 50 minutes and Sterling should have gone to right back to deal with Brereton. And last night any issue defensively (bar Wilmots pass and Pearson being slow) was him being out of position. I totally get that with how he attacks it will happen but Sterling is just a much better all round full back for me. He gets forward well and can defend. I'd rather we sign a proper left back and play Sterling on the right. Hoever is a cracking footballer though but Sterling is so much better. Good problem to have. With you on this. He's terrific going forward and we've clearly made it a tactic to pick out his runs on that side and it's working brilliantly. His defensive issues as you say though aren't just down to the trade-off of a cavalier full back bombing on, he switches off at times when we're defending. I like him and he has bags of potential but he's very suspect defensively.
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Post by iamstokie on Mar 15, 2023 10:54:35 GMT
I think he has. Against Blackburn he should have been hooked off after about 50 minutes and Sterling should have gone to right back to deal with Brereton. And last night any issue defensively (bar Wilmots pass and Pearson being slow) was him being out of position. I totally get that with how he attacks it will happen but Sterling is just a much better all round full back for me. He gets forward well and can defend. I'd rather we sign a proper left back and play Sterling on the right. Hoever is a cracking footballer though but Sterling is so much better. Good problem to have. With you on this. He's terrific going forward and we've clearly made it a tactic to pick out his runs on that side and it's working brilliantly. His defensive issues as you say though aren't just down to the trade-off of a cavalier full back bombing on, he switches off at times when we're defending. I like him and he has bags of potential but he's very suspect defensively. Surely it’s something they could work on though
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 15, 2023 11:03:50 GMT
With you on this. He's terrific going forward and we've clearly made it a tactic to pick out his runs on that side and it's working brilliantly. His defensive issues as you say though aren't just down to the trade-off of a cavalier full back bombing on, he switches off at times when we're defending. I like him and he has bags of potential but he's very suspect defensively. Surely it’s something they could work on though Absolutely.
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Post by homer32 on Mar 15, 2023 12:18:11 GMT
Is it just me or does this really show the enormous gulf between the Premiership and the Championship? Here we are hopefully trying to sign Pearson and Smallbone who appear to be surplus to requirements in teams who look like being relegated from the Premiership.I could live with it if they were surplus at Spurs or Liverpool but Bournemouth and Southampton!! It really also does prove how far we have fallen in the last few years and how crap our recruitment has been over that time.
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Post by stokeyank on Mar 15, 2023 12:31:14 GMT
I think there’s a reasonable chance of all the loans being back next season if required on either a full time or loan basis apart from Smallbone. Southampton would be insane to let him go if , as is likely , they are relegated. Finances are unlikely to be the deciding issue in any of this. Honest question (not trying to be smart), if Southampton would be insane to let him go, why did they let him go out this season? Seems they really could use another good player? I know he had an ACL tear but he was back over 2 years ago from that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 15, 2023 12:35:11 GMT
Is it just me or does this really show the enormous gulf between the Premiership and the Championship? Here we are hopefully trying to sign Pearson and Smallbone who appear to be surplus to requirements in teams who look like being relegated from the Premiership.I could live with it if they were surplus at Spurs or Liverpool but Bournemouth and Southampton!! It really also does prove how far we have fallen in the last few years and how crap our recruitment has been over that time. It's just a dog's home job again really, no reason some of those players can't be a success at a higher level in the right system and circumstances. Realise 08/09 was a long time ago now and football changes but in our first season in the Prem the following played vital roles: Higgy - surplus to requirements at Sunderland Faye - surplus to requirements at Newcastle Rory and Liam - surplus to requirements at then-Championship Sunderland Ric - surplus to requirements at Championship Southampton.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 15, 2023 12:36:25 GMT
He's not good enough for the Prem at this moment in time. To be fair it's taken him ages to get up to speed with us. You don't have to trawl back too far to see him being slagged off.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 15, 2023 12:36:50 GMT
I think there’s a reasonable chance of all the loans being back next season if required on either a full time or loan basis apart from Smallbone. Southampton would be insane to let him go if , as is likely , they are relegated. Finances are unlikely to be the deciding issue in any of this. Honest question (not trying to be smart), if Southampton would be insane to let him go, why did they let him go out this season? Seems they really could use another good player? I know he had an ACL tear but he was back over 2 years ago from that. Different managers though. Hassenhutl reluctantly let him go despite him doing well in pre-season, so he could get some experience. No guarantee he'll be in the plans of Selles or whoever's in charge come July.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 15, 2023 12:37:03 GMT
He's not done a lot wrong defensively but an attacking fullback is bound to be a bit suspect at times - it usually boils down to a choice between a solid fullback who doesn't do much going forward or an attack minded fullback who gets caught out of position every now and again. A defensively rock solid attacking fullback isn't a thing. I think he has. Against Blackburn he should have been hooked off after about 50 minutes and Sterling should have gone to right back to deal with Brereton. And last night any issue defensively (bar Wilmots pass and Pearson being slow) was him being out of position. I totally get that with how he attacks it will happen but Sterling is just a much better all round full back for me. He gets forward well and can defend. I'd rather we sign a proper left back and play Sterling on the right. Hoever is a cracking footballer though but Sterling is so much better. Good problem to have. Sterling offers nothing like the same level of attacking threat. I like him I'd want us to sign him but in that respect (attacking prowess) he's a bit disappointing.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 15, 2023 12:42:21 GMT
I would imagine we can't entirely discount the opinions of the individuals we have on loan and where their relationships lie with their parent clubs?
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Post by wuzza on Mar 15, 2023 12:44:46 GMT
I think there’s a reasonable chance of all the loans being back next season if required on either a full time or loan basis apart from Smallbone. Southampton would be insane to let him go if , as is likely , they are relegated. Finances are unlikely to be the deciding issue in any of this. Honest question (not trying to be smart), if Southampton would be insane to let him go, why did they let him go out this season? Seems they really could use another good player? I know he had an ACL tear but he was back over 2 years ago from that. He has gained a vast amount of experience , probably improved and certainly proved his fitness and has upped his performance levels showing he can be highly effective at this level. All in all it’s been the perfect loan for them - even more so if they get relegated.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 15, 2023 12:55:32 GMT
He's not done a lot wrong defensively but an attacking fullback is bound to be a bit suspect at times - it usually boils down to a choice between a solid fullback who doesn't do much going forward or an attack minded fullback who gets caught out of position every now and again. A defensively rock solid attacking fullback isn't a thing. I think he has. Against Blackburn he should have been hooked off after about 50 minutes and Sterling should have gone to right back to deal with Brereton. And last night any issue defensively (bar Wilmots pass and Pearson being slow) was him being out of position. I totally get that with how he attacks it will happen but Sterling is just a much better all round full back for me. He gets forward well and can defend. I'd rather we sign a proper left back and play Sterling on the right. Hoever is a cracking footballer though but Sterling is so much better. Good problem to have. Sterling is better defensively but his attacking contribution (although ok) has been no where near that of Hoever. Sterling may well have prevented a Blackburn goal but he wasn't getting into the positions to score two goals either. As I said a fullback who is that attack minded simply isn't going to be as effectively defensively - it goes with the territory.
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Post by stokeyank on Mar 15, 2023 12:58:57 GMT
Honest question (not trying to be smart), if Southampton would be insane to let him go, why did they let him go out this season? Seems they really could use another good player? I know he had an ACL tear but he was back over 2 years ago from that. He has gained a vast amount of experience , probably improved and certainly proved his fitness and has upped his performance levels showing he can be highly effective at this level. All in all it’s been the perfect loan for them - even more so if they get relegated. Can agree with that, but also if he is happy here he may push for a move since we would both be in the same league. How successful that may be is a question, but I'm trying to find a way we can get him here next year too!!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 15, 2023 13:03:45 GMT
I think he has. Against Blackburn he should have been hooked off after about 50 minutes and Sterling should have gone to right back to deal with Brereton. And last night any issue defensively (bar Wilmots pass and Pearson being slow) was him being out of position. I totally get that with how he attacks it will happen but Sterling is just a much better all round full back for me. He gets forward well and can defend. I'd rather we sign a proper left back and play Sterling on the right. Hoever is a cracking footballer though but Sterling is so much better. Good problem to have. Sterling is better defensively but his attacking contribution (although ok) has been no where near that of Hoever. Sterling may well have prevented a Blackburn goal but he wasn't getting into the positions to score two goals either. As I said a fullback who is that attack minded simply isn't going to be as effectively defensively - it goes with the territory. It's not so much that he's being caught upfield on the charge though, it's that he's neglecting the basics of defending when we don't have the ball and are in a defensive phase.
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