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Post by alexpenkhull on Dec 31, 2022 11:21:39 GMT
I've been a supporter for 20 years and I genuinely can't remember a time I've been less invested and less motivated to watch and enjoy stoke. From looking forward to hearing the crowd roar and see the players fight for every challenge and point to seeing absolute dross every week now. Yes people can point out I'm not a real fan if I don't support the team through the bad times but I've never felt less interested. I can't justify spending hard earned money watching stoke "perform" this season.
My questions are does anyone feel like this is the worst it has been in terms of inspiration and interest? Is there anything fans can do and if not what needs changing? I want to love watching stoke again even if the football is not superb I want to see fight at the very least and some hope that one day we might challenge for promotion again.
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 31, 2022 11:25:29 GMT
For me the whole Matchday experience is crap.
From the lack of entertainment/food/drink options outside the ground to exactly the same issues inside the ground.
It’s as if we’re stuck 20 years in the past
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 11:27:38 GMT
I'd say no mate.
We have been a lot worse than this in my Stoke supporting life as a football team.
Difference is, back then, I was in my late teens and going to Stoke was much more than just watching the football, in fact the football was a side show and a reason to meet up with mates and fellow like minded folk and go on an all day piss up with a purpose.
Roll forward to today, and now that those days are over and if I go to the match it is literally a couple of pints then the game, the football on show is a lot more relevant, so that's why, in my opinion, people think that it's worse these days, when we have been a far worse football team than this before.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 31, 2022 11:33:31 GMT
I think it’s the lack of hope for me.
What’s going to change this? Because no one at the club seems to give a shit about wanting to change.
Everything seems so dismal and just pointless at the minute re the club.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 31, 2022 11:36:07 GMT
I feel like this about football in general!!!
Football (for me) has moved forward with pace since OUR days in the Prem, its virtually unrecognisable from the 70's/80's eras of football....
I don't watch any Premier league games,
I don't watch the champions league
I don't even watch international football anymore, didn't watch a single game of the world cup, not even the final, and I didn't miss it one bit!!!
I've lost interest in what WAS the greatest game in the world, I never dreamt I would hear myself say that!!!
As for Stoke, my patience is hanging by a thread right now, I've no desire to go down at the moment, I'm a season ticket holder (have been since 1978) and missed more matches than I've been this season.... through choice!!!
I seriously don't think I'll be renewing next season, no matter what, and that hurts me to think that, as I took over my Dad's seat when he passed away, and it's directly in line with where his ashes are now buried!!!
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 31, 2022 11:38:13 GMT
I think Bayern has hit the nail on the head. It's a complete apathy riddled lack of hope, because deep down we all know if Neil doesn't work they will turn to Chris Wilder and the process will start again.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 31, 2022 11:40:57 GMT
I've been a supporter for 20 years and I genuinely can't remember a time I've been less invested and less motivated to watch and enjoy stoke. From looking forward to hearing the crowd roar and see the players fight for every challenge and point to seeing absolute dross every week now. Yes people can point out I'm not a real fan if I don't support the team through the bad times but I've never felt less interested. I can't justify spending hard earned money watching stoke "perform" this season. My questions are does anyone feel like this is the worst it has been in terms of inspiration and interest? Is there anything fans can do and if not what needs changing? I want to love watching stoke again even if the football is not superb I want to see fight at the very least and some hope that one day we might challenge for promotion again. You’ve only been a supporter for 20 years, believe me, your lucky; we’ve been a lot mor shit than this. Seriously, Neil needs time, I don’t believe any manager would be doing much better with the shit MON left behind. Top of the league weren’t much better then us last night. I’d say there’s quite a few Neil is looking forward to saying goodbye to. |
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Post by milky on Dec 31, 2022 11:42:03 GMT
I think Bayern has hit the nail on the head. It's a complete apathy riddled lack of hope, because deep down we all know if Neil doesn't work they will turn to Chris Wilder and the process will start again. Or Dean Smith or ,dare I say this ,Steve Bruce is out of work and may fancy one last go at it ! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 11:45:01 GMT
I think it’s the lack of hope for me. What’s going to change this? Because no one at the club seems to give a shit about wanting to change. Everything seems so dismal and just pointless at the minute re the club. I agree, but let's not pretend those feelings amongst our supporters haven't been there before, because they 100% have mate. |
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Post by scfcwebby on Dec 31, 2022 11:46:03 GMT
I think Bayern has hit the nail on the head. It's a complete apathy riddled lack of hope, because deep down we all know if Neil doesn't work they will turn to Chris Wilder and the process will start again. Or Dean Smith or ,dare I say this ,Steve Bruce is out of work and may fancy one last go at it ! Which is the exact reason the Coates need to step back (not sell) and let someone who knows what they are doing drag this club into the 21st century |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 31, 2022 11:47:53 GMT
There’s always hope.
Look at the league tables 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago.
Football is cyclical, it will happen……..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 31, 2022 11:49:08 GMT
I think it’s the lack of hope for me. What’s going to change this? Because no one at the club seems to give a shit about wanting to change. Everything seems so dismal and just pointless at the minute re the club. I agree, but let's not pretend those feelings amongst our supporters haven't been there before, because they 100% have mate. They have but has it happened after having 10 seasons in the PL and with billionaire owners? I think that matters. There is no good reason why it has happened bar their incompetence. |
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Post by wuzza on Dec 31, 2022 11:49:32 GMT
I feel like this about football in general!!! Football (for me) has moved forward with pace since OUR days in the Prem, its virtually unrecognisable from the 70's/80's eras of football.... I don't watch any Premier league games, I don't watch the champions league I don't even watch international football anymore, didn't watch a single game of the world cup, not even the final, and I didn't miss it one bit!!! I've lost interest in what WAS the greatest game in the world, I never dreamt I would hear myself say that!!! As for Stoke, my patience is hanging by a thread right now, I've no desire to go down at the moment, I'm a season ticket holder (have been since 1978) and missed more matches than I've been this season.... through choice!!! I seriously don't think I'll be renewing next season, no matter what, and that hurts me to think that, as I took over my Dad's seat when he passed away, and it's directly in line with where his ashes are buried!!! I wonder if it’s part of the natural ageing process because you sum up my feelings about this over hyped and under delivering game precisely. Mind you I was probably a bit more tolerant of its failings when we had a side worth watching in the TP / Hughes day’s but I am completely numb to football in general now and increasingly feel I can’t be bothered with going through the joyless experience of following Stoke. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 11:50:11 GMT
I agree, but let's not pretend those feelings amongst our supporters haven't been there before, because they 100% have mate. They have but has it happened after having 10 seasons in the PL and with billionaire owners? I think that matters. There is no good reason why it has happened bar their incompetence. No, you've got me with that one mate  |
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 31, 2022 11:52:02 GMT
There’s always hope. Look at the league tables 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago. Football is cyclical, it will happen…….. Are you John Coates ☹️. It might be cyclical but you have to do something to make it improve - not just sit on your hands waiting for it to change |
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Post by iamstokie on Dec 31, 2022 11:52:18 GMT
Been going 45 yrs ( season ticket since we’ve moved ) , used to be a group of 11 or 12 , it’s just me and my nephew now , I couldn’t be arsed go last night and just watched on tv , the match day experience is just so bad and then the dull boring games 🤷♂️
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 31, 2022 11:57:31 GMT
Right now I’m thinking the Preston game on Monday will be a waste of my time. I might change my mind, but at the moment, it just feels like I’d be going out of my way to ruin the start of 2023.
The predictability of it all is so draining. We all knew replacing MON when we did was stupid, and in giving Neil a chance we’re seemingly writing off another season to “give him time”. There’s no balance, cohesion or creativity on the pitch and there’s no thought or reasoning to anything off it.
I know we’ve been in worse positions in the leagues over the years, but has there ever been 4/5 seasons of such nothingness? Nothingness that we’ve wasted millions on. Even if we don’t make the play offs or do particularly well, there’s nothing exciting. No surprises, nothing out of the ordinary. Just plain, dull Stoke. With a bunch of unlovable, underperforming footballers.
It is just pure shit at the moment. It might feel a bit less shit if we were doing better at home.
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Post by sticky on Dec 31, 2022 11:59:18 GMT
I agree, but let's not pretend those feelings amongst our supporters haven't been there before, because they 100% have mate. They have but has it happened after having 10 seasons in the PL and with billionaire owners? I think that matters. There is no good reason why it has happened bar their incompetence. That sums it up perfectly |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 31, 2022 12:02:40 GMT
Didn't renew this season as going to the games was becoming a chore done out of force of habit and blind loyalty. Hated every minute last night and couldn't wait to get home (mate was driving so no pubs and a few others sat it out). Won't be rushing back either, where else would you hand over money to do something you didn't enjoy?
If we're on TV I'm probably looking at my phone most of the match and sometimes I don't even bother to put the outdated Radio Stoke coverage on (like the club, needs dragging into the modern day).
I used to be in a mood for hours if we lost, now it's a shrug of the shoulders , a roll of the eyes, a sarcastic post on here and I'm over it. Stoke just aren't the be all and end all these days, not sure if that's age or the last 7 years kicking it out of me.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Dec 31, 2022 12:07:26 GMT
We've had worse sides down the years but there's as big a disconnect between players and fans as I can remember for a long while. We don't like them and they don't like us.
Happy new year everyone.
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Post by independent on Dec 31, 2022 12:21:37 GMT
I think everyone is going a bit overboard with the despair.When MON was appointed we were staring relegation in the face and in a dire financial situation that was going to take years to sort out.We are almost sorted and from next June we will be able to rebuild again. As long as we don't do another Rowett the future is a lot brighter that it appears now. It is always darkest before the dawn. Now is not the time to give up.By this time next year we should be challenging at the right end of the table. Ft
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Post by DansViews on Dec 31, 2022 12:26:35 GMT
I feel the exact same. I spend more time now watching premier league / elite football on the TV than j do thinking about Stoke.
My daughter was a mascot at Stoke last night, and that was the only reason I went to the game. I left there feeling like how I’d imagine I will feel when my kids move out.. they don’t want me anymore, and I am glad for a break.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 31, 2022 12:29:17 GMT
I think everyone is going a bit overboard with the despair.When MON was appointed we were staring relegation in the face and in a dire financial situation that was going to take years to sort out.We are almost sorted and from next June we will be able to rebuild again. As long as we don't do another Rowett the future is a lot brighter that it appears now. It is always darkest before the dawn. Now is not the time to give up.By this time next year we should be challenging at the right end of the table. Ft Bang on. |
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Post by Block 26 on Dec 31, 2022 12:31:58 GMT
I mean it’s concerning how many st holders around us were not there last night. A home clash against top of the league & folk simply cba. I missed the Cardiff game simply because it was freezing & I just couldn’t be bothered - which isn’t like me at all. I don’t mind losing as long as the players leave everything on the pitch. Will I renew next year? Yes because it’s the hope that our fortunes will turn. So depressing being a stoke fan at the minute. We’ll win on Monday!
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Post by kerouac on Dec 31, 2022 12:38:14 GMT
I was just talking to my brother about this very thing.Last night summed it all up to me, theres not one player I can hang my hat on infact its been like that for seasons....no talisman because I don't think anyone of em gives a fuck.
Aimless football with players lacking even the most basic of technique, no plan, no passion.I noticed the crowd trying to generate an atmosphere of encouragement last night but were rewarded with a virtual two fingers from these fuckers masquerading as a football team.Im just numb to Stoke nowadays and ive been a follower for 50 odd years.
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Post by jhtstokie on Dec 31, 2022 12:41:47 GMT
By this time next year we should be challenging at the right end of the table. Ft And how long have we been saying that for. |
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 31, 2022 12:42:30 GMT
I think everyone is going a bit overboard with the despair.When MON was appointed we were staring relegation in the face and in a dire financial situation that was going to take years to sort out.We are almost sorted and from next June we will be able to rebuild again. As long as we don't do another Rowett the future is a lot brighter that it appears now. It is always darkest before the dawn. Now is not the time to give up.By this time next year we should be challenging at the right end of the table. Ft People are starting to get cheesed off with the lack of progression. All we hear is “give em more time”. Well, Forest were turned around overnight without any new players - ditto (it seems) for West Brom and Middlesbrough this year. It always seems to be someone else and never us - as others have said it’s something deep rooted that is causing this and we all know it’s just not going to change anytime soon no matter who we sign or who the manager is. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 31, 2022 12:47:00 GMT
I think everyone is going a bit overboard with the despair.When MON was appointed we were staring relegation in the face and in a dire financial situation that was going to take years to sort out.We are almost sorted and from next June we will be able to rebuild again. As long as we don't do another Rowett the future is a lot brighter that it appears now. It is always darkest before the dawn. Now is not the time to give up.By this time next year we should be challenging at the right end of the table. Ft Bang on. Is it? What evidence is there of any sort of change being even close to occurring? |
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 31, 2022 12:51:53 GMT
As I am reading this thread I have the TV on with a FULL HOUSE Molineaux .
Have also read a rumour about Wolves and Souter possibly joining Collins in their back line.
How things have changed and don’t seem like improving. It’s depressing but I suppose I will be there at the half empty 365 on Monday.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 31, 2022 12:52:18 GMT
I think everyone is going a bit overboard with the despair.When MON was appointed we were staring relegation in the face and in a dire financial situation that was going to take years to sort out.We are almost sorted and from next June we will be able to rebuild again. As long as we don't do another Rowett the future is a lot brighter that it appears now. It is always darkest before the dawn. Now is not the time to give up.By this time next year we should be challenging at the right end of the table. Ft It should be a long fucking dawn then |
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