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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 31, 2022 21:05:37 GMT
I understand everyone is pissed off but our purgatory should be over in June. Then we will be able to invest in the team again. AN needs a chance to get his own side together. For the last 3 years we have been costcutting and trying to replace expensive players with freebies and loans. I thought that when the MON Out mob got their wish that the constant moaning would stop.I don't know whether people expect miracles or whether people just want to moan. Give the man a chance. He is doing his best. Mate, we all just want to enjoy watching our team play football. It hasn't happened for years and years. It's a mess. So people are inevitably absolutely fed up of the club. It's not a big surprise.
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Post by banksy1art on Dec 31, 2022 21:16:14 GMT
Knock down the ground, build a good stadium near Hanley, make it a good experience, use that bet365 money to cheer everyone up. The club as it is is just not appealing. The match day experience is crap. The crap football on the pitch isn't even the biggest problem with this club Hanley? Fuck me. The ground is currently in the best part of the city. Just build a station and then fans can travel from the ground to wherever they want.
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Post by Scouse on Dec 31, 2022 21:25:54 GMT
Whilst I understand the despondency to a degree , I have to be honest and say if there’s a malaise at the club that also has to include the ( or at least some ) supporters who seem to take almost a perverse enjoyment in handwringing and negativity .. negativity and moaning only ever succeeds in one thing .. bringing others spirits down.
That being said , for me possibly one of the biggest issues impacting on fans disconnect ( other than results / performances ) is the over dependency on loans .. the result is whilst the average modern footballer is viewed as a mercenary not caring about ‘ their’ club . loan players are seen as caring even less.
Having been hurt by a whole glut of mercenary no nothings during our fall from grace , many feel a large proportion of ‘our’ team ( the loans ) have an even smaller buy in to the clubs and areas fortunes than the average player ( mercenary ) who has at least committed , and for who we have a mutual self interest in how they perform and develop.
Whilst there’s serious issues re contracts with other clubs , FFP and a danger of weakening the side further , the club might do well to reconsider radically it’s approach and over indulgence of the loan system .. we shouldn’t be any other clubs lackey , providing a home for their under performers , problem cases or offering a development place that even if successful in the main profits the other club and widens the gap between us and them still further
Loans IMHO should be for temporary short term emergency use only , not the automatic go to
Give us players ( and a team ) we can invest our heart and soul in ..even if it means our hearts get broken when someone takes them from us
See you Monday
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Post by peterthornesboots on Dec 31, 2022 21:26:45 GMT
I feel the same as many other posters on here.
This is the first time in nearly 30ish years that I have genuinely started to lose interest in the club.
I am not sure if it is age thing (more important things in life) or a money thing (less cash to invest these days) or if it is simply down to the paucity of quality on offer (both on and off the pitch).
I also wonder if it is because I have seen us reach our pinnacle and know that I probably will never see better. After following the club through the slog of lower league football I got to see us have our decade in the sun - I am not sure we will repeat that in my lifetime if I am being honest.
The reality is that we are much more likely to play in League One than we are to eat at the top table of English football again.
We are in decline at worst (stagnation at best) and I am not sure anyone at the club has the vision or willpower to change our trajectory any time soon.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Dec 31, 2022 21:52:21 GMT
Our team was a lot, lot worse in the 97/98 relegation season.
I was 17/18 at the time so going to Stoke was all I really had then.
The big difference for me though is we had shit players earning pretty shit money for a footballer at that time. You'd see them out and about though up town and in pubs etc.
Now you have these wankers earning 10s of thousand a week. You never see or hear of them.
This is the massive disconnect for me.
I might want to twat Lightbourne at 5pm but at 1am in Newcastle all was forgiven.
I still want to twat Smallbone now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 21:53:54 GMT
Whilst I understand the despondency to a degree , I have to be honest and say if there’s a malaise at the club that also has to include the ( or at least some ) supporters who seem to take almost a perverse enjoyment in handwringing and negativity .. negativity and moaning only ever succeeds in one thing .. bringing others spirits down. That being said , for me possibly one of the biggest issues impacting on fans disconnect ( other than results / performances ) is the over dependency on loans .. the result is whilst the average modern footballer is viewed as a mercenary not caring about ‘ their’ club . loan players are seen as caring even less. Having been hurt by a whole glut of mercenary no nothings during our fall from grace , many feel a large proportion of ‘our’ team ( the loans ) have an even smaller buy in to the clubs and areas fortunes than the average player ( mercenary ) who has at least committed , and for who we have a mutual self interest in how they perform and develop. Whilst there’s serious issues re contracts with other clubs , FFP and a danger of weakening the side further , the club might do well to reconsider radically it’s approach and over indulgence of the loan system .. we shouldn’t be any other clubs lackey , providing a home for their under performers , problem cases or offering a development place that even if successful in the main profits the other club and widens the gap between us and them still further Loans IMHO should be for temporary short term emergency use only , not the automatic go to Give us players ( and a team ) we can invest our heart and soul in ..even if it means our hearts get broken when someone takes them from us See you Monday Burnley have 5 loan players, doesn't seem to be doing them any harm. In fact most of the teams in the league are close to the max allowed in the matchday squad of 5. Loans are not the problem, it's recruitment in general.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 31, 2022 21:58:28 GMT
Whilst I understand the despondency to a degree , I have to be honest and say if there’s a malaise at the club that also has to include the ( or at least some ) supporters who seem to take almost a perverse enjoyment in handwringing and negativity .. negativity and moaning only ever succeeds in one thing .. bringing others spirits down. That being said , for me possibly one of the biggest issues impacting on fans disconnect ( other than results / performances ) is the over dependency on loans .. the result is whilst the average modern footballer is viewed as a mercenary not caring about ‘ their’ club . loan players are seen as caring even less. Having been hurt by a whole glut of mercenary no nothings during our fall from grace , many feel a large proportion of ‘our’ team ( the loans ) have an even smaller buy in to the clubs and areas fortunes than the average player ( mercenary ) who has at least committed , and for who we have a mutual self interest in how they perform and develop. Whilst there’s serious issues re contracts with other clubs , FFP and a danger of weakening the side further , the club might do well to reconsider radically it’s approach and over indulgence of the loan system .. we shouldn’t be any other clubs lackey , providing a home for their under performers , problem cases or offering a development place that even if successful in the main profits the other club and widens the gap between us and them still further Loans IMHO should be for temporary short term emergency use only , not the automatic go to Give us players ( and a team ) we can invest our heart and soul in ..even if it means our hearts get broken when someone takes them from us See you Monday Burnley have 5 loan players, doesn't seem to be doing them any harm. In fact most of the teams in the league are close to the max allowed in the matchday squad of 5. Loans are not the problem, it's recruitment in general. I agree with that, if you get the right loan signings in they can work wonders. We just don't seem to be getting the right players in for whatever reason, hopefully Neil can change that this window.
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Post by pb1863 on Dec 31, 2022 22:21:15 GMT
I remember watching Stoke v Sheffield United in December or January during our promotion year. We were bloody awful and lost 1-0 at home. I think Beattie scored for them. After the game I remember throwing my toys out of the pram saying that was it, I’m not going to watch them again that year. The rest they say is history. Things can change so quickly and it only takes a few key signings. Hang in there and who knows what could happen as it’s a very ordinary league.
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Post by generationex on Dec 31, 2022 22:41:41 GMT
You’re right mate. We are still in a better position financially than we were in 2007. If AN can find his inner TP and make 4 key signings all will not be lost.
The fact he hasn’t been able to sign anyone is a reason for hope. If he replicates the post 2013 recruitment trends we may be in trouble admittedly!
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 1, 2023 9:26:35 GMT
I think it’s the lack of hope for me. What’s going to change this? Because no one at the club seems to give a shit about wanting to change. Everything seems so dismal and just pointless at the minute re the club. Fuck me. The club's going down the shitter and all you can do is quote Smiths lyrics.
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Post by iamstokie on Jan 1, 2023 9:50:32 GMT
I understand everyone is pissed off but our purgatory should be over in June. Then we will be able to invest in the team again. AN needs a chance to get his own side together. For the last 3 years we have been costcutting and trying to replace expensive players with freebies and loans. I thought that when the MON Out mob got their wish that the constant moaning would stop.I don't know whether people expect miracles or whether people just want to moan. Give the man a chance. He is doing his best. But his best is shite 🤷♂️
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 1, 2023 9:52:46 GMT
Went to my 1st game in 1962,during these past 60 odd years we have had ups and downs, mostly downs, but I will never fall out of love with Stoke City, they will be in my heart untill the day I die, or beyond,because in the after life Stoke win loads of titles and Cups. 👍
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Jan 1, 2023 10:25:22 GMT
I've been a supporter for 20 years and I genuinely can't remember a time I've been less invested and less motivated to watch and enjoy stoke. From looking forward to hearing the crowd roar and see the players fight for every challenge and point to seeing absolute dross every week now. Yes people can point out I'm not a real fan if I don't support the team through the bad times but I've never felt less interested. I can't justify spending hard earned money watching stoke "perform" this season. My questions are does anyone feel like this is the worst it has been in terms of inspiration and interest? Is there anything fans can do and if not what needs changing? I want to love watching stoke again even if the football is not superb I want to see fight at the very least and some hope that one day we might challenge for promotion again. Losing love for Stoke. You should of been there for 84/85 season, you would of slit your wrists.
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Post by stantheman on Jan 1, 2023 10:28:14 GMT
I've been a supporter for 20 years and I genuinely can't remember a time I've been less invested and less motivated to watch and enjoy stoke. From looking forward to hearing the crowd roar and see the players fight for every challenge and point to seeing absolute dross every week now. Yes people can point out I'm not a real fan if I don't support the team through the bad times but I've never felt less interested. I can't justify spending hard earned money watching stoke "perform" this season. My questions are does anyone feel like this is the worst it has been in terms of inspiration and interest? Is there anything fans can do and if not what needs changing? I want to love watching stoke again even if the football is not superb I want to see fight at the very least and some hope that one day we might challenge for promotion again. Losing love for Stoke. You should of been there for 84/85 season, you would of slit your wrists. For my 14th Birthday, I got a season ticket for the 84/85 season! 🙈
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2023 10:33:07 GMT
Losing love for Stoke. You should of been there for 84/85 season, you would of slit your wrists. For my 14th Birthday, I got a season ticket for the 84/85 season! 🙈 Character building 🤣
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jan 1, 2023 10:39:17 GMT
Losing love for Stoke. You should of been there for 84/85 season, you would of slit your wrists. For my 14th Birthday, I got a season ticket for the 84/85 season! 🙈 Now that's how you really manage expectations....😉
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 1, 2023 10:43:51 GMT
For my 14th Birthday, I got a season ticket for the 84/85 season! 🙈 Now that's how you really manage expectations.... True but the difference is we were at least in part the victims of circumstances then now it’s utterly self inflicted by abject management of unthinkable resources over a sustained period
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Post by jebbstuart on Jan 1, 2023 10:46:10 GMT
Went to my first game of the season against Burnley, that was poor. Everyone saying 2 or 3 new signing and we will be up there. Nope looked like we need a right and left sided defender a new midfield and some strikers thats more than one or two or three new faces. Am i surprised no over the years we been in the same position whether it was Alan Ball when we went down, the inspired appointment of Chic Bates et al. Is AN the solution probably no, if i remember at Hamilton he had a Plan A and then just launch it down the centre of the pitch. Will i go again Yes against Hartlepool, if we lose so what we move on the coarse of the club is outside my control. I just support the club.
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Post by newsteadst3 on Jan 1, 2023 10:55:28 GMT
I worry about the fans who don't have season tickets , I can't see many people at the moment paying 25/30 quid per game so surely those fans be dropping off soon enough.
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 1, 2023 11:08:43 GMT
The whole club has a malaise around it, and it's a vicious circle. Fans are bored, players and managers not up to it, board useless, no off pitch excitement really, etc.
I think the fact we're widely known to be financially well off (well, owners are) doesn't help too. If we were skint we could at least use that as the reasoning behind being crap. But we are theoretically the richest club in this league.
And in todays times there are more things to do, Stoke isn't the only game in town. You're asking people to part ways with £££££ for something fundamentally unenjoyable.
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Post by 36dd on Jan 1, 2023 11:09:17 GMT
Walking away from the ground after full time on Friday night & down over the railway bridge, I overheard a chap say ‘I get two days off at the weekend, which one day is wasted watching this rubbish’!
I think him, myself and clearly 90% of us have finally lost our patience. No one inside the club gives an impression that they actually give two hoots what’s going on during games.
Unfortunately my lad is now starting to be drawn towards the top flight clubs in the premier league. Maybe Angela Smith, Malcolm Clarke could please possibly raise the points on this thread?
We can’t dictate what’s going on the pitch but certainly look at how the match day experience in and around the ground could be improved?
Right now I am in the not having the enthusiasm to renew next season & find something more enjoyable to do once or twice a week during the football season. It’s been said plenty of time, there’s something rotting on the inside of this club.
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Jan 1, 2023 11:52:09 GMT
We have always suffered from lack of ambition and small club mentality, although we are founder members of the football league we are also one of the biggest underachievers. I meet my mate in the pub before the match and we don't even discuss the match and there is absolutely no anticipation of a win and three points. five minutes to kick off and some clown shouts over the tannoy "the mighty mighty potters" ffs!
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Post by philb on Jan 1, 2023 12:13:51 GMT
It does beg the question Does anyone, at the club, care or have an ounce of ambition to succeed? I seriously doubt they do. As individuals the owners don’t need the riches of the PL as they’re already wealthy enough. Since Peter stepped aside it’s been purely run as a business and a hobby by the rest, and I’m sure in the coming years they’ll eventually lose complete interest and sell up. Just my opinion like.
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 1, 2023 12:33:07 GMT
I've been a supporter for 20 years and I genuinely can't remember a time I've been less invested and less motivated to watch and enjoy stoke. From looking forward to hearing the crowd roar and see the players fight for every challenge and point to seeing absolute dross every week now. Yes people can point out I'm not a real fan if I don't support the team through the bad times but I've never felt less interested. I can't justify spending hard earned money watching stoke "perform" this season. My questions are does anyone feel like this is the worst it has been in terms of inspiration and interest? Is there anything fans can do and if not what needs changing? I want to love watching stoke again even if the football is not superb I want to see fight at the very least and some hope that one day we might challenge for promotion again. As you get older and time and health become more precious you evaluate how you spend your days more, and it’s not difficult really to wonder why you spend any precious time watching the garbage that’s been on offer at Stoke these last few years. I’ve been only 4 home games this season despite having a season ticket and can’t see the ratio being much more for the rest of the season. Away games are more fun because of the social side with the rest of the SW Stokies. BM
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Post by stantheman on Jan 1, 2023 16:37:41 GMT
For my 14th Birthday, I got a season ticket for the 84/85 season! 🙈 Character building 🤣 That's what I've been telling myself for the last 38 years 🤣
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Post by David Brent on Jan 1, 2023 19:20:37 GMT
I used to love going. The excitement I had for the weekend was unparalleled and I was really pissed off when we lost.
Now I’ve got a mortgage and a newborn I just don’t have the money nor the time to waste my time going. I would rather spend it with my lad and my wife.
It’s sad as the motivation has evaporated, stoke results just don’t mean as much to me as they used to.
I didn’t renew my season ticket this season because we kept MON
I’ve made the right decision
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jan 1, 2023 19:22:52 GMT
I think it’s the lack of hope for me. What’s going to change this? Because no one at the club seems to give a shit about wanting to change. Everything seems so dismal and just pointless at the minute re the club. Fuck me. The club's going down the shitter and all you can do is quote Smiths lyrics. This joke isn't funny anymore
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Post by hamsta2 on Jan 1, 2023 19:36:33 GMT
Supporter for 50 plus years through thick and thin. No matter how shite we’ve been ( holocaust season for example , Alan Ball etc) I’ve always felt a connection and that they (mostly) at least tried when it was a match day. Don’t get that now. At all. My better half is Celtic - she moans if they don’t win 6-0 every week. Christ , I’d give my ageing left bollock for one 6-0 atm but it’s not going to happen. I’d settle for grinding out a 1-0 every week - to grind out shows commitment, tenacity and pride. I don’t think for a moment that our malaise is a purposeful thing but fuck me, we are shit. And my glass is usually half full.
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Post by callas12 on Jan 1, 2023 19:52:03 GMT
Know this seems far fetched & I will say I've surprisingly quite liked most of the Macron kits they've produced for us but I always feared things would turn when we first appointed Macron to be our kit manufacturer & we seem to have been cursed since we've had them associated with us! Remember seeing what it did to Villa as they got relegated with Macron making their kits.
Time for a change of kit manufacturer to change our fortunes perhaps?! Changing squads, managers, backroom staff & nothing seems to be working. Last hope, ditch Macron and see if our luck changes 🤔😉😁. Gotta be worth a try to get everyone loving Stoke again!
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 1, 2023 20:57:52 GMT
Well, I have just purchased a ticket online after deliberating for the last 24 hours whether to or not. Now I have done it I am dreading the journey down, dreading the journey back on our lovely roads and pretty much numb to what will happen in the middle. I used to kick every ball at a game and came out of the match exhausted and with a sore throat from shouting my bollox off. Now I just sit there and observe. Not sure for me it would change much if we were successful, just think the modern-day game is as boring as can possibly be and not a spectator sport anymore. This noncontact footie with the ref blowing for everything and players rolling around on the floor is beyond tedious, if we are 1-0 down with 20 minutes to go there will be 800 substitutions, man with the sponge coming on every other minute. Probably going to cost me £100 for the experience, which I can't really afford, to watch overpaid out of touch footballers and officials ruin the beautiful game. Nevertheless COYMP
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